Those Friendly Iranians

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/opinion/05KRIS.html

TEHRAN, Iran

Finally, I've found a pro-American country.

Everywhere I've gone in Iran, with one exception, people have been exceptionally friendly and fulsome in their praise for the United States, and often for President Bush as well. Even when I was detained a couple of days ago in the city of Isfahan for asking a group of young people whether they thought the Islamic revolution had been a mistake (they did), the police were courteous and let me go after an apology.

They apologized; I didn't.

On my first day in Tehran, I dropped by the "Den of Spies," as the old U.S. Embassy is now called. It's covered with ferocious murals denouncing America as the "Great Satan" and the "archvillain of nations" and showing the Statue of Liberty as a skull (tour the "Den of Spies" here).

Then I stopped to chat with one of the Revolutionary Guards now based in the complex. He was a young man who quickly confessed that his favorite movie is "Titanic." "If I could manage it, I'd go to America tomorrow," he said wistfully.

He paused and added, "To hell with the mullahs."

In the 1960's and 1970's, the U.S. spent millions backing a pro-Western modernizing shah ? and the result was an outpouring of venom that led to our diplomats' being held hostage. Since then, Iran has been ruled by mullahs who despise everything we stand for ? and now people stop me in the bazaar to offer paeans to America as well as George Bush.

Partly because being pro-American is a way to take a swipe at the Iranian regime, anything American, from blue jeans to "Baywatch," is revered. At the bookshops, Hillary Clinton gazes out from three different pirated editions of her autobiography.

`It's a best seller, though it's not selling as well as Harry Potter," said Heidar Danesh, a bookseller in Tehran. "The other best-selling authors are John Grisham, Sidney Sheldon, Danielle Steel."

Young Iranians keep popping the question, "So how can I get to the U.S.?" I ask why they want to go to a nation denounced for its "disgustingly sick promiscuous behavior," but that turns out to be a main attraction. And many people don't believe a word of the Iranian propaganda.

"We've learned to interpret just the opposite of things on TV because it's all lies," said Odan Seyyid Ashrafi, a 20-year-old university student. "So if it says America is awful, maybe that means it's a great place to live."

Indeed, many Iranians seem convinced that the U.S. military ventures in Afghanistan and Iraq are going great, and they say this with more conviction than your average White House spokesman.

One opinion poll showed that 74 percent of Iranians want a dialogue with the U.S. ? and the finding so irritated the authorities that they arrested the pollster. Iran is also the only Muslim country I know where citizens responded to the 9/11 attacks with a spontaneous candlelight vigil as a show of sympathy.

Iran-U.S. relations are now headed for a crisis over Tehran's nuclear program, which appears to be so advanced that Iran could produce its first bomb by the end of next year. The Bush administration is right to address this issue, but it needs to step very carefully to keep from inflaming Iranian nationalism and uniting the population behind the regime. We need to lay out the evidence on satellite television programs that are broadcast into Iran, emphasizing that the regime is squandering money on a nuclear weapons program that will further isolate Iranians and damage their economy.

Left to its own devices, the Islamic revolution is headed for collapse, and there is a better chance of a strongly pro-American democratic government in Tehran in a decade than in Baghdad. The ayatollahs' best hope is that hard-liners in Washington will continue their inept diplomacy, creating a wave of Iranian nationalism that bolsters the regime ? as happened to a lesser degree after President Bush put Iran in the axis of evil.

Oh, that one instance when I was treated inhospitably? That was in a teahouse near the Isfahan bazaar, where I was interviewing religious conservatives. They were warm and friendly, but a group of people two tables away went out of their way to be rude, yelling at me for being an American propagandist. So I finally encountered hostility in Iran ? from a table full of young Europeans.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
We should invade.

agreed

confirmed

I take it back. if we invade we open up an opportunity for these america lovers to shower our troops with flowers and kisses. would be better if we just nuke 'em
 

CanOWorms

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i bet it's because of their love of michael jackson. lots of people in the middle east and asia love him. yes, michael jackson is the greatest american diplomat these days
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
We should invade.

heh heh

nice one...hehe.. Sarcasm aside, I don't think we will be messing with Iran because of the exact kinds of things listed in this article. Its not the first time I've read about this issue. Although I don't exactly know when, I believe that sometime in my life I will live to see a big change in US-Iran relations. Once the "Islamic Revolution" does collapse, or the mullahs sidelined, they just might make a good freind/ally. If we screw this one up, then we'll just be stuck in a situation like the current one for another few decades...
 

StormRider

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One opinion poll showed that 74 percent of Iranians want a dialogue with the U.S. ? and the finding so irritated the authorities that they arrested the pollster. Iran is also the only Muslim country I know where citizens responded to the 9/11 attacks with a spontaneous candlelight vigil as a show of sympathy.

This is why I like Iran. I get the sense that their people like us. Plus, I knew a lot of Iranians from my studying days at the University of Maryland. Nice people.

It's also why I was dismayed when I heard Bush list them as part of the axis of evil. I just hope we don't screw things up.
 

chrisms

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My neighbors are Iranian, and I've had a couple political discussions with them and with some other Iranians. They seem to be able to see both sides of an issue more than the muslim extremists and more than us, at least when it comes to issues dealing with America and the Middle East. I think it may be because nobody really attacks them. In Isreal there is constant fighting, in Iraq we attacked 2 times before taking over totally, in Afghanistan they had to deal with the Russians, and in Saudi Arabia the U.S. has troops in their holy lands. Yet Iran just sits back and watches.
 
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Originally posted by: StormRider
One opinion poll showed that 74 percent of Iranians want a dialogue with the U.S. ? and the finding so irritated the authorities that they arrested the pollster. Iran is also the only Muslim country I know where citizens responded to the 9/11 attacks with a spontaneous candlelight vigil as a show of sympathy.

This is why I like Iran. I get the sense that their people like us. Plus, I knew a lot of Iranians from my studying days at the University of Maryland. Nice people.

It's also why I was dismayed when I heard Bush list them as part of the axis of evil. I just hope we don't screw things up.

Ditto, except the majority of the authority over there is still wacko extremist muslim, which means, though the people are reasonable and like us enough, the guys in position to push the button aren't.
 

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I'm currently helping to teach english to a newly transplanted Iranian family here in the US. They told me that many Iranians view Americans and America favorably and they want to tell me more about it when their english improves. It was an interesting discussion despite the communication barrier.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: StormRider
One opinion poll showed that 74 percent of Iranians want a dialogue with the U.S. ? and the finding so irritated the authorities that they arrested the pollster. Iran is also the only Muslim country I know where citizens responded to the 9/11 attacks with a spontaneous candlelight vigil as a show of sympathy.

This is why I like Iran. I get the sense that their people like us. Plus, I knew a lot of Iranians from my studying days at the University of Maryland. Nice people.

It's also why I was dismayed when I heard Bush list them as part of the axis of evil. I just hope we don't screw things up.

Ditto, except the majority of the authority over there is still wacko extremist muslim, which means, though the people are reasonable and like us enough, the guys in position to push the button aren't.

Aye, hopefully the population will do something soon though. Over 2/3 of the population is under 30, with a majority under 20. Hopefully the kids get roudy soon and decide they don't want the Guardian Council and Supreme Leader anymore and that they want to let the President and the legislators(the ones they actually want as representatives, not the ones they are forced to elect) reform the country.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Ditto, except the majority of the authority over there is still wacko extremist muslim, which means, though the people are reasonable and like us enough, the guys in position to push the button aren't.


What is the Kerry position on Iran, I mean the current leadership of Iran?

Seems to me I recall something about an e-mail he sent the Iranian Government apologizing
for the Action of the USA and promising to "repair" relations with these "wacko extremist muslims"



kerry e-mail


So We have a pro-america population with a wacko extremist muslim leadership that the left is screaming that we must invade cause they are going nuclear that the Bush administration is being charged with ignoring Iran and the cry of the left..

The Kerry answere to this would be to repair relations with the Wacko exremist leadership, which would silence the disscent of the pro america population and allow the leadership to concentrate on going nuclear and the left would be left where,,,,with their noses squarely up Kerrys ass,,,,and happy. :)

I think I got that right..


:confused:

You really want to discuss Iran?
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: StormRider
One opinion poll showed that 74 percent of Iranians want a dialogue with the U.S. ? and the finding so irritated the authorities that they arrested the pollster. Iran is also the only Muslim country I know where citizens responded to the 9/11 attacks with a spontaneous candlelight vigil as a show of sympathy.

This is why I like Iran. I get the sense that their people like us. Plus, I knew a lot of Iranians from my studying days at the University of Maryland. Nice people.

It's also why I was dismayed when I heard Bush list them as part of the axis of evil. I just hope we don't screw things up.

Eh, no. They are simply scared shitless becasue the mightiest superpower seems to be on a rampage, that is it and that is all.

I do NOT blame them.

If ONE country needs help to get out of it's hell it is Iran, murder, torture and separations are more like the things that are done by routine there, more so than ever in Iraq, this is a nation controlled by religious leaders.

A dialogue or risk of invasion with weeks of shock and awe which would kill tens of thousands, ask yourself what you would choose.
 
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: StormRider
One opinion poll showed that 74 percent of Iranians want a dialogue with the U.S. ? and the finding so irritated the authorities that they arrested the pollster. Iran is also the only Muslim country I know where citizens responded to the 9/11 attacks with a spontaneous candlelight vigil as a show of sympathy.

This is why I like Iran. I get the sense that their people like us. Plus, I knew a lot of Iranians from my studying days at the University of Maryland. Nice people.

It's also why I was dismayed when I heard Bush list them as part of the axis of evil. I just hope we don't screw things up.

Eh, no. They are simply scared shitless becasue the mightiest superpower seems to be on a rampage, that is it and that is all.

I do NOT blame them.

If ONE country needs help to get out of it's hell it is Iran, murder, torture and separations are more like the things that are done by routine there, more so than ever in Iraq, this is a nation controlled by religious leaders.

A dialogue or risk of invasion with weeks of shock and awe which would kill tens of thousands, ask yourself what you would choose.

Eh, no. Just because Iranians are different than you, doesn't mean that they're scared little wimps.

Iranians don't like the US because they're afraid of it. It's funny that you blame or put the US in a negative light in any way that you can. You're anti-American.
 
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I remember the images of the 9/11 vigils they held in Iran. It was touching and in stark contrast to the Palestinians who cheered and danced in the streets. And it had nothing to do with the US being on a rampage you ill-informed dope since we hadn't even proposed going into Afghanistan yet.
 

falias

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I remember the images of the 9/11 vigils they held in Iran. It was touching and in stark contrast to the Palestinians who cheered and danced in the streets. And it had nothing to do with the US being on a rampage you ill-informed dope since we hadn't even proposed going into Afghanistan yet.

I think it also has to do with Iran not being an arab country. From my experience I've noticed that the people feel that the arab terrorists act like savages and their arab supporters are viewed the same way. Regardless of the arab-loving mullahs the Iranian people feel that they should not be mixed up with what the arabs are doing terrorism wise and it's not them who are supporting the terrorists, its the mullahs.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I remember the images of the 9/11 vigils they held in Iran. It was touching and in stark contrast to the Palestinians who cheered and danced in the streets. And it had nothing to do with the US being on a rampage you ill-informed dope since we hadn't even proposed going into Afghanistan yet.

Me too. I was very touched by their gesture of sympathy.