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*Thoroughbred to Be Launched at CeBIT*

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AGodspeed

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http://www.theinquirer.net/05030214.htm

WE NOW HAVE confirmation from sources close to AMD's plans that the first Thoroughbred will be released on the 20th of March.
And AMD will release a speed step, the XP 2100+ for the first day of CeBIT on the 13th of March.

The two are not to be confused. The XP 2100+ is the last in the line of processors in the Palomino family - AMD has been able to clock it one ratch higher.

Well, I can sorta assume that that means Tbred will actually be selling in some type of quantities this March 20th. Although I won't hold my breath.

I wonder if this means we'll see 2200+ (1.8GHz) Tbreds on March 20th...
 
Crap, and I JUST got my dual 1800+'s up & running. Now thoroughbred will be tempting me.

Oh wait... That's a GOOD thing!

😀

Viper GTS
 
If the 2200+ is released on March 20....why did AMD just update their roadmap to indicate that it was coming in 2Q?

When was the last time AMD released two different processor grades within one week?
 
When was the last time AMD released two different processor grades within one week?

Huh, I dunno George. 😀

Yeah, you're probably right. 🙂
 
ViperGTS,

Yes, it will be a good thing unless ZDnet germany was right (and it looks like they were), and thoroughbred offers no breakthrough heat reduction despite the massive contact surface loss... (heat per sq mm is going to be 150% that of an XP chip). If Zdnet Germany were wrong, i would have expected another article by now, but its been over a week....

Doesn't look too good for cooling thoroughbred chips.



Mike
 
<<When was the last time AMD released two different processor grades within one week?>>

When AthlonXP 1500+, 1600+, 1700+ and 1800+ all debuted at the same time?
 
LXi,

That's misleading. The 1.4GHz Athlon was already out.

However, that said, the the Inquirer is reporting that the P4 2.4 will be released on April 1st or April 2nd, so it seems reasonable that AMD would counter with a 2200+ a few days before.
 


<< LXi,

That's misleading. The 1.4GHz Athlon was already out. >>

Not really, the 1700+ (1.47GHz) and 1800+ (1.53GHz) are both more than 1.4GHz (AMD's previous speed king), and therefore AMD has released two different speed grades at the same time, right?

However, that said, the the Inquirer is reporting that the P4 2.4 will be released on April 1st or April 2nd, so it seems reasonable that AMD would counter with a 2200+ a few days before.

The 2.4GHz P4 being launched on April 1st/2nd is just the 400MHz FSB part, right?
 


<< Not really, the 1700+ (1.47GHz) and 1800+ (1.53GHz) are both more than 1.4GHz (AMD's previous speed king), and therefore AMD has released two different speed grades at the same time, right? >>

Yes, but the implication was that AMD released four new speed grades, which clearly was not the case. And Intel had begun shipping the P4 2.0GHz, so a 1700+ alone would not have been sufficient.



<< The 2.4GHz P4 being launched on April 1st/2nd is just the 400MHz FSB part, right? >>

Right.
 


<< ViperGTS,

Yes, it will be a good thing unless ZDnet germany was right (and it looks like they were), and thoroughbred offers no breakthrough heat reduction despite the massive contact surface loss... (heat per sq mm is going to be 150% that of an XP chip). If Zdnet Germany were wrong, i would have expected another article by now, but its been over a week....

Doesn't look too good for cooling thoroughbred chips.

Mike >>



Ouch! The whole reason I was looking forward to TBred was a higher speed CPU that wouldn't require the cooling that an XP does. My dual 1800's are fast, but even with quiet fans they leave something to be desired in the noise department.

Viper GTS
 
So then it won't be until May 20th that we see 533MHz FSB @ 2.4GHz. Better update my roadmap...

Yes, but the implication was that AMD released four new speed grades, which clearly was not the case. And Intel had begun shipping the P4 2.0GHz, so a 1700+ alone would not have been sufficient.

Yes, but that still means that we could have 2100+ and 2200+ Tbred parts at launch, since that would be two more speed grades than the current Athlon king, 2000+ (just like the 1700+ and 1800+ last year).

This might be a little farfetched, but AMD just might launch a 2300+ part too, since they're lanuching the Palomino 2100+ part before Tbred's launch.

We'll see I guess.
 
In all odd's I'd say the T-Bred will completely replace the XP like the XP did to the T-Bird, I dont see why AMD would use T-Bred's only for 2200+ and up. That seems downright silly. Most people dont need all that power, and would certainly enjoy the cooler running .13 micron die over the .18 micron XP.
 


<< ViperGTS,

Yes, it will be a good thing unless ZDnet germany was right (and it looks like they were), and thoroughbred offers no breakthrough heat reduction despite the massive contact surface loss... (heat per sq mm is going to be 150% that of an XP chip). If Zdnet Germany were wrong, i would have expected another article by now, but its been over a week....

Doesn't look too good for cooling thoroughbred chips.



Mike >>




Maybe this is what Intel was making reference to when they said that "AMD was cannibalizing their 130 nm future with the Palomino", that was a couple of months ago though.

-Ice
 
Apparently Inquirer got it wrong. They've added an update at the bottom:

<< UPDATE II Some say that the 20th of March is not the Thoroughbred date.. We'll see what we come up with further on this front, tomorrow. >>

Truthfully, that makes more sense than anything. We're supposed to see a XP 2100+ Palomino this week correct? That just seems awful close between speed increases if Mar 20 is T-Bred day.
 


<< WE NOW HAVE confirmation >>

Then for the love of Grove put *CONFIRMED* in your thread's title.

The 2100+ XP isn't worth much (too little too late). The first Tbred is more interesting. Hopefully it will overclock better than the XPs but only time will tell.
 
I'm guessing that they scrapped the Athlon version of the Thoroughbred for the Duron version of the Thoroughbred and that why it will be only 256k L2 cache. They left the impression that the Thoroughbred was going to be 512k L2 cache. I don't look at it as giving up, rather AMD was wise to get out of the full-blown Athlon business and key in on the Hammer business.

What does disturb me is the rumor of no heat spreader on such a small core! They wouldn't dare release such a size-reduced core without protection, would they?
 


<< Did they include at least some thermal protection in the T-Bred core, the same that every PIII and Celeron has?. >>



They already did that with the Palomino core remember?
Of course there are only two motherboards that I'm aware of that presently take advantage of it, and it's still not as robust as the capabilities in the PIII let alone the P4 but it's there and and can be utilized if you have a mobo that takes advantage of it.

The Thoroughbred is supposed to be little more then a dumb shrink of the existing Palomino core, nothing new at all. No mdifications- no new layout or anything.

As for whether it launches at CeBit, well The Inquirer is often a major source of rumours so I never take anything they say as gospel truth.
Personally I suspect AMD may launch the XP2100+ Palomino at CeBit, or perhaps about a week prior to CeBit as Inquirer implies.
If they do launch it a week prior to CeBit then it's likely they'll officially announce the Thoroughbred, though I don't expect it to truly be released then.




<< They left the impression that the Thoroughbred was going to be 512k L2 cache. >>


How so?
They've been claiming for almost a year now that the Thoroughbred was going to have the same 256K L2 cache that the Palomino core has, and the T-Bird did before it.

As for the heat spreader, they've always indicated that they will not utilize a heat spreader in any of their desktop processors until the initial ClawHammer release, so that isnt terribly surprising either.
 
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