This went quietly unnoticed by media: House Repubs and Dems vote repeal Dodd Frank

Oldgamer

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Sorry couldn't get the whole title in- but in a nut shell they voted to repeal check on executive pay in Dodd Frank yet again, taking more teeth out of an already basically toothless bill.

A Congress Only CEOs Could Love

In a vote that largely went uncovered, House Republicans, with help from some Wall Street-friendly Democrats, voted to repeal the Dodd-Frank Act's check on excessive executive pay. You won’t believe their rationale.

Only 10 percent of Americans now have confidence in Congress, Gallup has just informed us. No other major institution in American life today has this low an approval rating. In fact, adds Gallup, no major American institution has ever had an approval rating this low.

The most amazing aspect of all this? Public confidence in Congress would likely be running even lower if average Americans knew more, day to day, about what Congress is actually doing. The latest case in point: last week’s congressional committee action on H.R. 1135, the “Burdensome Data Collection Relief Act.”

This particular piece of legislation speaks to an ongoing frustration in America’s body politic: the supersized paychecks that go to America’s top corporate executives. Average Americans, in overwhelming numbers, want something done to bring some common sense back to CEO pay.

But the House Financial Services Committee, this past Wednesday, opted to do the exact reverse. By a 36-21 margin, committee members voted to repeal the only statutory provision now on the books that puts real heat on overpaid CEOs. The full House, observers expect, will shortly endorse this repeal.

The specific provision 31 Republicans and five Democrats voted to repeal — section 953(b) of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act — imposes a new disclosure mandate on America’s major corporations. Under Dodd-Frank, corporations must annually reveal the ratio between what they pay their CEO and what they pay their median — most typical — workers.

Corporations have had to disclose what they pay their CEOs ever since the Great Depression. But they’ve never had to disclose, until Dodd-Frank became law in 2010, their CEO pay as a multiple of what their average workers are earning.

Executive pay reformers consider this ratio information crucial to the struggle against executive excess. If Americans could see — and compare — the exact CEO-worker pay ratio from one corporation to another, the resulting negative publicity on those corporations with the widest pay gaps might help discourage excessive executive compensation in the future.

And if corporations should choose to ignore this negative publicity — and charge ahead with lavish executive compensation — the pay ratio disclosure Dodd-Frank mandate could serve as a stepping stone to tougher reform action.

Lawmakers could, for instance, set a specific CEO-worker pay multiple as the nation’s preferred corporate compensation standard and deny government contracts, tax breaks, and subsidies to any corporations that pay their execs over and above that standard.

The Dodd-Frank pay ratio disclosure mandate has the potential, in other words, to help extinguish what Forbes magazine recently dubbed “the out of control wildfire” that executive pay has become. But the mandate hasn’t extinguished anything yet because the mandate hasn’t yet gone into effect.

Corporate lobbyists have seen to that. They’ve been pressuring the Securities and Exchange Commission, the top federal watchdog over Corporate America, to gut the Dodd-Frank pay ratio provision.

This lobbying blitz has paid off. The SEC has to issue regulations before any newly legislated mandate over corporate behavior can be enforced. The agency has so far issued no regulations on CEO-worker pay disclosure — and nearly three years have gone by since Dodd-Frank initially worked its way into law.

But America’s corporate leaders don’t want to have to rely solely on their ability to intimidate the SEC. They’ve also orchestrated a congressional drive to simply repeal the Dodd-Frank pay disclosure mandate outright.

How can lawmakers who carry Corporate America’s water possibly defend repealing a measure as publicly popular as pay ratio disclosure? Easy. They simply paint corporations as the victims of overzealous government bureaucrats who want to drown them in burdensome — and meaningless — paperwork.

In last week’s committee deliberations over 953(b), repealers did their best to trivialize the intent of the Dodd-Frank pay ratio mandate.

Today, joked House Financial Services chair Jeb Hensarling from Texas, CEO-worker pay disclosure, tomorrow a mandate that companies calculate the ratio of office supplies they get from national big box retailers to the goods they get from locals — or the ratio of healthy to unhealthy drinks in company soda machines.

“I assume,” Hensarling smirked, “there is an infinite number of ratios some investors would find helpful to their decisions.”

Serious business analysts, of course, see executive-worker pay ratios as anything but trivial. Peter Drucker, the father of modern management science, believed that any corporations that had executives making over 20 or 25 times worker pay were putting employee morale and productivity at risk.

The current director of the Drucker Institute at the Claremont Graduate University just outside Los Angeles, Rick Wartzman, has stressed that point repeatedly, both in the nation’s business press and in comments backing pay-ratio disclosure filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

And a host of public interest groups, organized in and around Americans for Financial Reform, have been making a similar case for pay gap disclosure.

The lawmakers backing the repeal of the current Dodd-Frank disclosure mandate don’t yet have a Senate majority. But repeal could still slip through Congress, most likely via some future House-Senate conference “compromise” on “reforming” the original Dodd-Frank legislation.

So what can we learn from the sad, still-unfolding tale of Dodd-Frank’s section 953(b), a piece of legislation duly enacted into law, then ignored and never enforced, and now in jeopardy of getting repealed into oblivion?

Maybe this. In a democracy, elected leaders represent the people. In a plutocracy, elected leaders represent the people — and listen to the rich. America today, tells the 953(b) tale, matches up with the latter definition.

Link to news article: http://thecontributor.com/business/congress-only-ceos-could-love
 

werepossum

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Thank G-d. It was a stupid provision which was never good for anything beyond generating proggie talking points and eating up money in useless paperwork.

What they OUGHT to do is to restore the separations of Glass-Steagall so that a crash in one financial sector doesn't automatically bring down the others. Extra paperwork like Dodd-Frank merely helps the really big companies become even bigger as they gobble up smaller would-be competitors. The ratio of pay between Dewey Cheatam and Howe's CEO and Dewey Cheatam and Howe's janitor is frankly none of my business. Whether or not I'm going to have to pay taxes to bail out Dewey Cheatam and Howe because they've grown "too big to fail" is very much my business.
 

Double Trouble

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OP: where do you find this worthless populist crap? Dodd Frank needs to be repealed in it's entirety, it's a complete waste of time and resources.
 

Jeff7

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10% approval rating for Congress? Really?

That seems excessively high.
 

BlueWolf47

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OP: where do you find this worthless populist crap? Dodd Frank needs to be repealed in it's entirety, it's a complete waste of time and resources.

Sigh.... I'm not sure how so many conservatives suffer from memory loss but apparently the causes for the economic collapse have completely evaded your conscious.
 

Slew Foot

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Distract the population with something, and then pass bills to help your buddies make money. Par for the course.
 

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In a vote that largely went uncovered, House Republicans, with help from some Wall Street-friendly Democrats

Bipartisanship at it's best, isn't this what so many moderates support?
 

Double Trouble

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Sigh.... I'm not sure how so many conservatives suffer from memory loss but apparently the causes for the economic collapse have completely evaded your conscious.

Yes, I've worked in corporate finance and economic strategy for 18 years for a fortune 100 company, I'm sure you can enlighten me to all this economic collapse stuff I know nothing about :whiste:
 

Dari

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Thank G-d. It was a stupid provision which was never good for anything beyond generating proggie talking points and eating up money in useless paperwork.

What they OUGHT to do is to restore the separations of Glass-Steagall so that a crash in one financial sector doesn't automatically bring down the others. Extra paperwork like Dodd-Frank merely helps the really big companies become even bigger as they gobble up smaller would-be competitors. The ratio of pay between Dewey Cheatam and Howe's CEO and Dewey Cheatam and Howe's janitor is frankly none of my business. Whether or not I'm going to have to pay taxes to bail out Dewey Cheatam and Howe because they've grown "too big to fail" is very much my business.

I worked on this issue and my advisor went to Washington to talk about this very issue. The topic is called competition theory or tournament theory and it's a subset of labor economics. It was started in the 1980s by Rosen and Lazear, who later went on to become Bush's head of council of economic advisors. Their papers were highly influential and was widely used by headhunters as a recruitment tool to get outrageous salaries for ceos in the 1990s and 2000s. However, the seminal paper has been debunked because it only highlighted the positive aspect of increasing the pay to attract talent. Once a negative aspect was added, you started to see the real damage of runaway pay. Ironically, the people that started to debunk Rosen and Lazear's paper were from egalitarian/socialist societies (Taiwan, Germany, and Japan). It goes to show how the culture is basically a determinant of how people are paid or treated in a corporation. The works are heavy on the math but very easy to understand.
 
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BlueWolf47

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Yes, I've worked in corporate finance and economic strategy for 18 years for a fortune 100 company, I'm sure you can enlighten me to all this economic collapse stuff I know nothing about :whiste:

Well then I guess I can't blame you for following your economic incentives.
 

Matt1970

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Sigh.... I'm not sure how so many conservatives suffer from memory loss but apparently the causes for the economic collapse have completely evaded your conscious.

Not having pay caps for CEO's caused the housing market to bubble and then collapse? Brilliant!!
 

sm625

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90% of them will get re-elected, and probably would continue to be re-elected even if they declared every family's first born child be sacrificed to Moloch and taxes raised by 30% to be handed directly to wall street CEOs.
 

dank69

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Title makes it seem like this has passed a House vote. It looks like it only passed a committee vote. Does the media usually report on committee votes?
 

PokerGuy

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10% approval rating for Congress? Really?

That seems excessively high.

Approval ratings for congress are absolutely meaningless. People disapprove of congress as a whole, but only because the "others" in congress are doing bad things, not their own rep. Reps get re-elected to congress at an astounding rate, so obviously each set of constituents approves of their congressional reps.
 

werepossum

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I worked on this issue and my advisor went to Washington to talk about this very issue. The topic is called competition theory or tournament theory and it's a subset of labor economics. It was started in the 1980s by Rosen and Lazear, who later went on to become Bush's head of council of economic advisors. Their papers were highly influential and was widely used by headhunters as a recruitment tool to get outrageous salaries for ceos in the 1990s and 2000s. However, the seminal paper has been debunked because it only highlighted the positive aspect of increasing the pay to attract talent. Once a negative aspect was added, you started to see the real damage of runaway pay. Ironically, the people that started to debunk Rosen and Lazear's paper were from egalitarian/socialist societies (Taiwan, Germany, and Japan). It goes to show how the culture is basically a determinant of how people are paid or treated in a corporation. The works are heavy on the math but very easy to understand.
Certainly the negative consequences are mostly a function of culture, because that determines what one views as good or bad. I think the only culture-independent bad metric would be reduced money to spend for other purposes, but CXO pay is seldom a very significant total outlay.

One soft negative I see is chasing top talent as evidenced by prior pay. CEO committees especially seem to me to believe that if someone else paid an applicant $50 million, then he must be 50 times as good as the candidate who was paid $1 million. Committees seem to spend a lot of attention on prior pay and size of companies helmed than to other things that are much more difficult to quantify, but ultimately much more important. A $1 million CEO who understands my industry and grew a $300,000 company into a $300,000,000 company will probably be much better for my $1 billion company than would a $100 million CEO who is totally unfamiliar with my industry and grew a $3,000,000,000 company into a $2,500,000,000 company.

But at any rate, my points were that this is none of my business and that Congress would be better served in addressing things that are my business - because I'm expected to pay for them.

Approval ratings for congress are absolutely meaningless. People disapprove of congress as a whole, but only because the "others" in congress are doing bad things, not their own rep. Reps get re-elected to congress at an astounding rate, so obviously each set of constituents approves of their congressional reps.
QFT
 

Oldgamer

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Title makes it seem like this has passed a House vote. It looks like it only passed a committee vote. Does the media usually report on committee votes?

Sorry I tried to cut and paste the news article title and it got cut off on my psot. I said that in my first post. Hopefully people are smart enough to read the article to make their own conclussions, and see the full title. :)
 

werepossum

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Why won't they re-enact the Glaas Steagall act? Oh yea, we have a do nothing Congress thats why....
By that standard we had a do-nothing Congress even when the Dems had complete control. Unfortunately, ending Glass Steagall still has strong bipartisan support even after a very graphic example of its wisdom.
 

Spungo

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One soft negative I see is chasing top talent as evidenced by prior pay. CEO committees especially seem to me to believe that if someone else paid an applicant $50 million, then he must be 50 times as good as the candidate who was paid $1 million

I hate this BS. Why bother asking me what my pay was at my previous job? That job and this job are not the same job. Do these freaks act like that in their personal lives? They meet a woman at the bar and ask how often her previous boyfriend nailed her?
 

Fern

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Sigh.... I'm not sure how so many conservatives suffer from memory loss but apparently the causes for the economic collapse have completely evaded your conscious.

Apparently you are unaware that Dodd Frank only exacerbates the "causes for the economic collapse" that you speak of. E.g., Dodd Frank has resulted in smaller banks being merged into bigger ones. I.e., Dodd Frank is creating more banks that are 'too big to fail'.

OTOH, Double Trouble seems informed of this.

Fern