This takes the cake...Novak calls for CBS to reveal their sources

[Gaard]

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ROBERT NOVAK, CO-HOST: That raises a big question. Is somebody forging documents to impugn the president? If so, who?

We'll debate this new campaign development presently. But first up, the best little political briefing in television, our CROSSFIRE "Political Alert."

Only 24 hours ago, George W. Bush's opponents were delirious about newly discovered documents from 1972 and '73 about Lieutenant Bush's Air National Guard duties. They could raise questions about the president's credibility. But smiles have faded from the faces of the Bush bashers. The documents look like they're phony. They may have been forged.

Experts consulted by "The Washington Post" and other media say the documents were generated by a computer or a word processor not available during the Vietnam War. The widow of the colonel supposed to have authored the document called them a farce. CBS, which broke the story, should reveal where it got the documents, to be blunt, who forged these documents.

BEGALA: Well, in fact, CBS stands by their sources. They say that these things are not forged. I'm certainly not an expert.

But you don't even need these documents to know that there's not a living soul who will come forward and say, yes, I served with Bush in the Air National Guard Alabama. I remember him. Yes, he's a charming guy. He's a nice guy. He's an impressive guy. Nobody can remember him ever showing up for duty. Doesn't that tell you something? He didn't show up.

NOVAK: That's your old story, but we've got a new story and there are these documents. All I say is, all CBS has to say is where do these documents come from. They sure didn't come from the colonel's family.

Unless Novak is being sarcastic, he's really being hypocritical here.

 

[ntdz]

novak's sources werent proven to be false now were they, while cbs's are in serious question.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: ntdz
novak's sources werent proven to be false now were they, while cbs's are in serious question.

:laugh: I'm sorry, what?

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: ntdz
novak's sources werent proven to be false now were they, while cbs's are in serious question.

:laugh: I'm sorry, what?

Novak went to the creator of the document and the creator denies ever creating them and called them forgeries. Novak: 1, CBS: 0

CBS refuses to identify where the documents came from.
Novak: 1, CBS: 0

Novak has more credibility in this matter now, while CBS has no credibility.

 

[T2T III]

And networks like CBS, NBC and ABC wonder why their share keeps slipping? Keep pandering for false documents and reporting bogus information and the share will slip more, my friends.

 

[Gaard]

So we have this...

[*] If your claims are under scrutiny and accused of being forged, you should reveal your sources.
[*] If you out a government agent, with the possibility of federal laws being broken, keep your lips shut.

 

[Uhtrinity]

As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised about Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Gaard
So we have this...

[*] If your claims are under scrutiny and accused of being forged, you should reveal your sources.
[*] If you out a government agent, with the possibility of federal laws being broken, keep your lips shut.

Well Id settle for them allowing others to review the original documents, thats if they even have original documents. Both are instances of piss poor research/journalism. If CBS wants to be taken seriously, they need to allow other groups to have their own independent experts review the original docs. I mean look CBS wont say where they magically recieved the files from, it wasnt from the family, it wasnt from the govt, and it wasnt from the military. This story is based off the research of staunch democrat supports who have been digging for ten years and suddenly after Kerry drops significantly in polls these documents are "discovered" but CBS wont say who they recieved them from, who corraborates them(even though there are many who served with Killian and Staudt that regute them), and they were even reluctent to reveal the expert, who is only an expert on handwriting, why? Because the expert is the same expert that claims the Vince Foster suicide note is geniune, even though that is heavily disputed as many other experts, people with much more credibility. So again he is claiming that copies arent valid was of judging for forgeries. So my question is why doesnt CBS release the original document for review? Do they even have an original document?

 

[Harvey]

Good idea. CBS should offer Novack a deal that they would do whatever's necessary to validate the documents if he comes clean about outing Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame as a CIA agent.

JMHO, but I think Novack should be shot for treason. :|

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised by Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

If they turn out to be forged Kerry -1, Bush 2. CBS will be a laughing stock as well. While most of the SwiftBoats claims have been disproven, they have also caused Kerry to back track several claims.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Novak has more credibility in this matter now, while CBS has no credibility.

Yep just like Freedom of The Press has zero credibility anymore, it's been abolished along with the rest of the Constitution and replaced with the "Neotution".

Edit: Watch, I just came up with "Neotution" and you will soon hear it mentioned in articles or in Name of Articles and the News like many of the other words and sayings I have posted.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Novak has more credibility in this matter now, while CBS has no credibility.

Yep just like Freedom of The Press has zero credibility anymore, it's been abolished along with the rest of the Constitution and replaced with the "Neotution".

Edit: Watch, I just came up with "Neotution" and you will soon hear it mentioned in articles or in Name of Articles and the News like many of the other words and sayings I have posted.

What are you blathering about freedom of the press?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised by Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

If they turn out to be forged Kerry -1, Bush 2. CBS will be a laughing stock as well. While most of the SwiftBoats claims have been disproven, they have also caused Kerry to back track several claims.

Probably depends on who forged them. You've read the numerous "GOP may have planted the documents" theories?


I just want to be a little more clear here. The discussion about these documents being real or not is, I believe, going on in another thread. I merely wanted to point out Novak's hypocrisy in this one.

 

[wiin]

CBS, in their desperation to see their nominee win, would do just about anything, including excluding people they interviewed, from their report.
'60 Minutes': Witness Who Cont...ocs Was Too 'Pro-Bush'

Killian Jr. even warned "60 Minutes" that any documents purporting otherwise were likely to be of questionable origin.

"I don't know of any such documents. Dad didn't keep any home office or anything like that. ... There were no secret files, there were no off-campus files. Any files that my father would have kept would have been in his office."

"60 Minutes" also contacted his stepmother, Killian said, who told Rather's crew that her late husband had great admiration for Bush.

Mrs. Killian has since challenged the authenticity of the CBS documents, saying her husband didn't even know how to type.

An astonished Hannity asked, "You said this to '60 Minutes' and they didn't include any of this in their report?"

"That's correct," Killian responded.

Same thing goes with the kerry campaign:
Ben Barnes Trying to Silence Daughter?

The press secretary for Kerry presidential campaign official Ben Barnes - who claimed Wednesday that he used influence to secure a place for President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard 36 years ago - has been trying to silence Barnes' daughter Amy, who has called her father's account a lie.

What is CBS afraid of? Just disclose the source.

 

[Jhhnn]

Novak merely reveals himself as a partisan hack, unworthy of the "Journalist" moniker.

Of course, those on the Right see no hypocrisy in his refusal to reveal his own sources in a matter of national security while demanding others do so in mere politics... Or are we going with the undercurrent of the whole Republican strategy, that the Re-election of GWB is a matter of national security?

Shame on ya, Mr Novak, and shame on anybody who supports your stance....

 

[conjur]

Oh hypocrisy, hypocrisy
How are thy words so ironic
Oh hypocrisy, hypocrisy
How are thy words so ironic

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised by Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

If they turn out to be forged Kerry -1, Bush 2. CBS will be a laughing stock as well. While most of the SwiftBoats claims have been disproven, they have also caused Kerry to back track several claims.

Probably depends on who forged them. You've read the numerous "GOP may have planted the documents" theories?


I just want to be a little more clear here. The discussion about these documents being real or not is, I believe, going on in another thread. I merely wanted to point out Novak's hypocrisy in this one.

Im almost POSITIVE this is from those that have been digging on this since GWB first ran for Gov 10 years ago.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Novak merely reveals himself as a partisan hack, unworthy of the "Journalist" moniker.

Of course, those on the Right see no hypocrisy in his refusal to reveal his own sources in a matter of national security while demanding others do so in mere politics... Or are we going with the undercurrent of the whole Republican strategy, that the Re-election of GWB is a matter of national security?

Shame on ya, Mr Novak, and shame on anybody who supports your stance....

I dont give a fvck about sources if they release the original documents to other news groups. If they dont have an original document, their own expert just schooled their arguement, and they should air a live retraction by Dan Rather.

 

[digitalsm]

Oh as for Ben Barnes.

Lets harken back to oh say when the democrat Texas legislators fleed Texas twice. Many on here, and others said well the republicans did it back in 1971. Which I responded to actually it was both democrats and republicans. They also didnt flee, they only refused to meet for a qorum call. The reason? Corruption. Corruption of who? Yes thats right Ben Barnes, then Lt Gov, as well as the Gov and 10 other state officals. It is now refered to as Sharpstown. Ultimately only one was indicted because of legal technicalities.

Its not really shocking that CBS left this tidbit out. Ben Barnes has no credibility if one knows his history. Its kind of "odd" that hes reappeared after 30 years. Kerry's biggest fundraiser in Texas, considers himself a personal friend of Kerry, and well is playing for a spot in Kerry admin.

Before Conjur comes in here to defend Barnes, read up on Barnes, and not just Barnes story or the DNC's story. He has been involved in numerous scandels in the past 30 years. And to further underline the money factor, he has raised more money for Kerry than Baron, and Baron is one of the most connected and wealthiest trial lawyers in the United State.

 

[PatboyX]

i dont understand why, if they are legit, there would be a problem in releasing the documents, if not the sources. or at least show the research/experts that confirmed it.

i also agree partially with what Uhtrinity has said. even if the documents themselves are discredited and although that goes a long way to the credibility of CBS/the show it doesnt change the other statements made or completely kill the story.

none of this makes any sense.

 

[0roo0roo]

lol conservatives falling behind the words of treasonous scum. just amazing.

why's bush not busy denying whats in the documents? if u smear em as fake u don't have to lie with denials

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
lol conservatives falling behind the words of treasonous scum. just amazing.

why's bush not busy denying whats in the documents? if u smear em as fake u don't have to lie with denials

Ummm how can someone deny something one knows nothing about? How would Bush actually know if someone kept some personal memos that he never(or anyone else apparently) knew about? The White House has already said it doesnt know if they are real or not.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
And networks like CBS, NBC and ABC wonder why their share keeps slipping? Keep pandering for false documents and reporting bogus information and the share will slip more, my friends.

I guess it was a faux pas that you forgot FauxNews . . . isn't FauxNews viewing associated with a high degree of false impressions?

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Ugh, why are we still talking about Bush's record (or lack thereof?)

 

[chess9]

This story hasn't played out completely. It's too soon to draw so many rash assumptions, but Novak is a a past master of the rash assumption.

I agree with Harvey. Hanging would be fine.



-Robert