This takes the cake...Novak calls for CBS to reveal their sources

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: chess9
This story hasn't played out completely. It's too soon to draw so many rash assumptions, but Novak is a a past master of the rash assumption.

I agree with Harvey. Hanging would be fine.



-Robert

Yeah there is more, and its not likely good for the Democrats or CBS. The word in the news industry is CBS was duped by the DNC/Kerry or Karl Rove.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: chess9
This story hasn't played out completely. It's too soon to draw so many rash assumptions, but Novak is a a past master of the rash assumption.

I agree with Harvey. Hanging would be fine.



-Robert

Yeah there is more, and its not likely good for the Democrats or CBS. The word in the news industry is CBS was duped by the DNC/Kerry or Karl Rove.

It's more Rove's style tbh and when it does come out that Rove was behind it, the immoral Neocons will cheer victory and support those immoral actions out of sheer stupidity and blindness.

 

[Jhhnn]

The issue in this particular thread is Novak's apparent hypocrisy- "I'll protect my sources, but you must reveal your own." not about what Digitalsm wants, or what I want, or about the veracity of the 60 Minutes documents at all...

Who's prepared to argue in his favor, rather than obfuscate and attempt to redirect? Anybody?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The issue in this particular thread is Novak's apparent hypocrisy- "I'll protect my sources, but you must reveal your own." not about what Digitalsm wants, or what I want, or about the veracity of the 60 Minutes documents at all...

Who's prepared to argue in his favor, rather than obfuscate and attempt to redirect? Anybody?

It would be interesting to see where these docs came from. Especially if they came from the Kerry Campaign via the DNC, which is being looked at by other news orgs now. The next week will be interesting. Dan Rather has put his career on the line.

 

[abaez]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The issue in this particular thread is Novak's apparent hypocrisy- "I'll protect my sources, but you must reveal your own." not about what Digitalsm wants, or what I want, or about the veracity of the 60 Minutes documents at all...

Who's prepared to argue in his favor, rather than obfuscate and attempt to redirect? Anybody?

It would be interesting to see where these docs came from. Especially if they came from the Kerry Campaign via the DNC, which is being looked at by other news orgs now. The next week will be interesting. Dan Rather has put his career on the line.

It would be interesting to see where the Novaks info came from. Especially if it came from someone inside the Bush administration, which has been looked at by many other news orgs now. The next week will be interesting. Novak has put his hypocrisy, and career, on the line.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: abaez

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The issue in this particular thread is Novak's apparent hypocrisy- "I'll protect my sources, but you must reveal your own." not about what Digitalsm wants, or what I want, or about the veracity of the 60 Minutes documents at all...

Who's prepared to argue in his favor, rather than obfuscate and attempt to redirect? Anybody?

It would be interesting to see where these docs came from. Especially if they came from the Kerry Campaign via the DNC, which is being looked at by other news orgs now. The next week will be interesting. Dan Rather has put his career on the line.

It would be interesting to see where the Novaks info came from. Especially if it came from someone inside the Bush administration, which has been looked at by many other news orgs now. The next week will be interesting. Novak has put his hypocrisy, and career, on the line.

Novaks career isnt on the line. He will probably spend time in jail for contempt, but his career isnt over. As for this whole outing of the CIA agent, to my knowledge there were multiple leaks, from both sides, most if not all were accidental IIRC. The investigation is focusing on Scooter Libby, but unless they can find evidence that he knowingly exposed an active CIA agent, no crime was committed. Novak while what he did was wrong, wasnt a crime either.

While I dont agree with everything that Novak has done, I will say this. She was already outted to the world, just not the general public of the world and not as Joe Wilsons wife.

 

[arsbanned]

It would be interesting to see where the Novaks info came from. Especially if it came from someone inside the Bush administration, which has been looked at by many other news orgs now. The next week will be interesting. Novak has put his hypocrisy, and career, on the line.

:thumbsup:

Also, when is Bush going to tell the truth regarding his AWOL and refusal to obey direct orders so we can just put this issue behind us?! Just tell the truth Mr. Bush! Oh wait.

 

[Gaard]

So what do you think, digitalism? Pretty hypocritical of Novak, huh?

I only ask because even though you're the most active poster in this thread, you haven't really commented on the subject of the thread...Novak's hypocrisy.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Gaard
So what do you think, digitalism? Pretty hypocritical of Novak, huh?

I only ask because even though you're the most active poster in this thread, you haven't really commented on the subject of the thread...Novak's hypocrisy.

Well. Novak has said he was told Joe Wilsons wife worked for the CIA by two administration officals. CBS should atleast be willing to say what group gave them the documents, if not that atleast allow other groups to view the original documents. Not naming their experts is just UNACCEPTABLE.

As for the documents is just highly suspicious that CBS obtained documents that have seemingly appeared over night right after Kerry drops in the polls. I mean Killians family knows nothing about them, his colleagues didnt know anything about them, the military doesnt know anything about them. Its just really curious as to how CBS obtained someones personal memos(belongings) when no one knew they exsisted, and were just now discovered when the left has been digging ever seen 1992/1993. Its just extremely odd, more so since they arent willing to show the original documents or werent willing, at first, to say who their expert was. I guess I wouldnt be to keen on saying who an expert was if said expert has had several of his findings disputed by other world reknowned experts in the forensic handwriting/typography field.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
... As for this whole outing of the CIA agent, to my knowledge there were multiple leaks, from both sides, most if not all were accidental IIRC. The investigation is focusing on Scooter Libby, but unless they can find evidence that he knowingly exposed an active CIA agent, no crime was committed. Novak while what he did was wrong, wasnt a crime either.

While I dont agree with everything that Novak has done, I will say this. She was already outted to the world, just not the general public of the world and not as Joe Wilsons wife.

I'm sorry, but that's pretty much all wrong. Go back and read a couple of the threads that reviewed this in depth. Her identity was not compromised until the Bush administration leaked it. The Bush admin didn't start leaking it until after Joseph Wilson went public with his Niger findings.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: digitalsm
... As for this whole outing of the CIA agent, to my knowledge there were multiple leaks, from both sides, most if not all were accidental IIRC. The investigation is focusing on Scooter Libby, but unless they can find evidence that he knowingly exposed an active CIA agent, no crime was committed. Novak while what he did was wrong, wasnt a crime either.

While I dont agree with everything that Novak has done, I will say this. She was already outted to the world, just not the general public of the world and not as Joe Wilsons wife.

I'm sorry, but that's pretty much all wrong. Go back and read a couple of the threads that reviewed this in depth. Her identity was not compromised until the Bush administration leaked it. The Bush admin didn't start leaking it until after Joseph Wilson went public with his Niger findings.

Actually thats just factually wrong Clifford May knew of Plame LONG before the Bush admin allegedly started leaking stuff about Plame, and from what I gather most of the political elite in DC knew as well. And Clifford May wasnt told by Bush administration members. Secondly, its quite well believed Russia has known about Plame and her activities since the mid 1990s and if Russia knew, all its friends knew.

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised about Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

Of course there's more to this issue. Dan Rather's exit strategy, trying to avoid retiring on a less than honorable note after having spearheaded a bogus report that shows him for the partisan media glory hound that he is. He HAS to point at something else and draw attention away from his stink. And all the media and campaign staff jumping on the bandwagon, spewing their contrite demands that Bush answer the issues; comparing them to the Swiftboat interests. Of course, it's the Vast Right-Wing conspiracy that duped the Dems, they were all misled (never mind personal integrity) so they don't have to offer an apology for their show. It's almost Vaudevillian.

Lets not ignore the real issues though as DAN RAthER asserts. Perhaps a direct comparison to Kerry's 'Atrocity' Testimony really is in order:

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001830.html

Lawsuit Uncovers 1973 Bush 'Atrocity' Testimony
(2004-09-08) -- A lawsuit filed by the Associated Press (AP) has pressured the federal government into releasing previously unseen transcripts of 1973 testimony by a young George W. Bush before a Senate panel investigating atrocities committed by stateside National Guardsman during the Vietnam era.

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to give up his weekend for a mistake?" the young Mr. Bush asked the panel as he began to talk about his experience with fellow guardsmen who participated in the "Winter Weekend Warrior" investigation with Jane Fonda.

The investigation, Mr. Bush claimed, brought together 150 honorably discharged National Guardsman, many of them highly-decorated, who testified to atrocities committed both on and off base, "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

"They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do," Mr. Bush said. "They told the stories of times they had personally goofed off, skipped weekend duty, gone out drinking, short-sheeted a fellow guardsman's bed, telephoned local stores and asked if they had Prince Albert in a can, drove faster than the speed limit, used salty language in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot mailboxes and road signs for fun, raided the base commissary for Pop Tarts and generally ravaged the country side of Texas."

President Bush, responding yesterday to persistent questions about the new revelations, said, "I defended this country as a young man, and I will defend it again as President of the United States...again."

Don't even try to tell me that ^ that isn't at least remotely funny.

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised about Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

So, you're waving the magic hat and granting CBS/DAN RAthER special protection under section 527 exemption now eh!? "Fair turnaround" Duplicity to the Nth degree more accurately. Oh, there are ISSUES that the forged documents brought up about George's past!? *cough* never mind the falsehood of the reporting. It's ALL justified being that we think there's something lurking there in the shadow. That's precious... Hearing a Dem espouse "The end justifies the means".

It's bad enough for Kerry that he creates so many of his own problems. That his own team continually chops down his cherry trees is, one would think distrubing. I admire the anti-bush crowd for their conviction. Or desperation. Either way, it's impressive.

Clear your score keeper. That's just plain silly.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Sketcher

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised about Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

Of course there's more to this issue. Dan Rather's exit strategy, trying to avoid retiring on a less than honorable note after having spearheaded a bogus report that shows him for the partisan media glory hound that he is. He HAS to point at something else and draw attention away from his stink. And all the media and campaign staff jumping on the bandwagon, spewing their contrite demands that Bush answer the issues; comparing them to the Swiftboat interests. Of course, it's the Vast Right-Wing conspiracy that duped the Dems, they were all misled (never mind personal integrity) so they don't have to offer an apology for their show. It's almost Vaudevillian.

Lets not ignore the real issues though as DAN RAthER asserts. Perhaps a direct comparison to Kerry's 'Atrocity' Testimony really is in order:

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001830.html

Lawsuit Uncovers 1973 Bush 'Atrocity' Testimony
(2004-09-08) -- A lawsuit filed by the Associated Press (AP) has pressured the federal government into releasing previously unseen transcripts of 1973 testimony by a young George W. Bush before a Senate panel investigating atrocities committed by stateside National Guardsman during the Vietnam era.

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to give up his weekend for a mistake?" the young Mr. Bush asked the panel as he began to talk about his experience with fellow guardsmen who participated in the "Winter Weekend Warrior" investigation with Jane Fonda.

The investigation, Mr. Bush claimed, brought together 150 honorably discharged National Guardsman, many of them highly-decorated, who testified to atrocities committed both on and off base, "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

"They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do," Mr. Bush said. "They told the stories of times they had personally goofed off, skipped weekend duty, gone out drinking, short-sheeted a fellow guardsman's bed, telephoned local stores and asked if they had Prince Albert in a can, drove faster than the speed limit, used salty language in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot mailboxes and road signs for fun, raided the base commissary for Pop Tarts and generally ravaged the country side of Texas."

President Bush, responding yesterday to persistent questions about the new revelations, said, "I defended this country as a young man, and I will defend it again as President of the United States...again."

Don't even try to tell me that ^ that isn't at least remotely funny.

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
As Dan Rather stated their is more to this whole issue than the possibilty of forged documents. Even if they are proven to be forged doubts have already been raised about Bushes integrity, guess you can call it fair turnaround for the Swiftboat attacks. Kerry 1, Bush 1, let the brawl begin ...

So, you're waving the magic hat and granting CBS/DAN RAthER special protection under section 527 exemption now eh!? "Fair turnaround" Duplicity to the Nth degree more accurately. Oh, there are ISSUES that the forged documents brought up!? *cough* never mind the falsehood of the reporting. It's ALL justified being that we think there's something lurking there in the shadow. That's precious... Hearing a Dem espouse "The end justifies the means".

It's bad enough for Kerry that he creates so many of his own problems. That his own team continually chops down his cherry trees is, one would think distrubing. I admire the anti-bush crowd for their conviction. Or desperation. Either way, it's impressive.

Clear your score keeper. That's just plain silly.

Soooo, the SBVFT crowd's lying means didn't justify their end? Oh I forgot, Republicans can play dirty and it's ok. Sorry, my bad.

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Soooo, the SBVFT crowd's lying means didn't justify their end? Oh I forgot, Republicans can play dirty and it's ok. Sorry, my bad.

Remediation in order. In the game of Chess, each piece has its own unique movement which it can perform right!? Alright, I suck at analogies. I'm not going to argue the veracity of the swifties. That's for the other thread (*). My "Chess" point, and really only those armed with little more than sarcasm and anger lament this; is that CBS/DAN RAthER are not "527 Sanctioned". Had the forged document issue been a left-supporting 527 group debacle and had the Kerry Campaign and news media outlets appropriately distanced themselves the while 'allowing' the information to be presented we would actually have the "Fair Play" field that Uhtrinity clicked his score keeper on. That's how you let the "End justify the means".

No worries. No need to be sorry (sarcasm noted). You just didn't understand the argument you were in.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: digitalsm
... As for this whole outing of the CIA agent, to my knowledge there were multiple leaks, from both sides, most if not all were accidental IIRC. The investigation is focusing on Scooter Libby, but unless they can find evidence that he knowingly exposed an active CIA agent, no crime was committed. Novak while what he did was wrong, wasnt a crime either.

While I dont agree with everything that Novak has done, I will say this. She was already outted to the world, just not the general public of the world and not as Joe Wilsons wife.

I'm sorry, but that's pretty much all wrong. Go back and read a couple of the threads that reviewed this in depth. Her identity was not compromised until the Bush administration leaked it. The Bush admin didn't start leaking it until after Joseph Wilson went public with his Niger findings.

Actually thats just factually wrong Clifford May knew of Plame LONG before the Bush admin allegedly started leaking stuff about Plame, and from what I gather most of the political elite in DC knew as well. And Clifford May wasnt told by Bush administration members. Secondly, its quite well believed Russia has known about Plame and her activities since the mid 1990s and if Russia knew, all its friends knew.

Links? Other references? The "elite" knew about Plame because the Bush administration started talking about her to discredit Wilson ... well before Novak's story.

Your other two claims sound like the disinformation spread by Limbaugh and his ilk, but that is only speculation on my part. I read literally dozens of articles about the Wilson/Plame scandal, however, and this is the first time I've seen either claim. If you can document reputable sources, I am interested.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Sketcher

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Soooo, the SBVFT crowd's lying means didn't justify their end? Oh I forgot, Republicans can play dirty and it's ok. Sorry, my bad.

Remediation in order. In the game of Chess, each piece has its own unique movement which it can perform right!? Alright, I suck at analogies. I'm not going to argue the veracity of the swifties. That's for the other thread (*). My "Chess" point, and really only those armed with little more than sarcasm and anger lament this; is that CBS/DAN RAthER are not "527 Sanctioned". Had the forged document issue been a left-supporting 527 group debacle and had the Kerry Campaign and news media outlets appropriately distanced themselves the while 'allowing' the information to be presented we would actually have the "Fair Play" field that Uhtrinity clicked his score keeper on. That's how you let the "End justify the means".

No worries. No need to be sorry (sarcasm noted). You just didn't understand the argument you were in.

I understood it well enough. Just comparing one group's "desperation" to another. Like I've said before, I will denounce the ones that have spread the false documents (if they are false). To me, the ends don't justify the means.

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28I understood it well enough. Just comparing one group's "desperation" to another. Like I've said before, I will denounce the ones that have spread the false documents (if they are false). To me, the ends don't justify the means.

"if they are false" ? Waiting for CBS/RAthER to officially declare they had their thumbs up their asses? It ain't gonna happen no matter how many forensic analysis prove the falsehood. But, the document in-authenticity aside... My post you take issue with specifically regards CBS/RAthER not having the same exemption as a 527 group. Uhtrinity's "Fair Play" equates that it does. Holy Crap Weasel I don't see how this separation isn't obvious. Comparing the desparation of one group to another!? Come on, now you're not even being relevant. If you understood it then comment on the issue. The issue is that syndicated media is not 527 sanctioned; is not fair play. If FOX News(Anchor of Choice) had done this, you can bet there would be yelling from every corner of anti-Bush territory in the world. As it is, CBS damage control is working hard to not become irrelevant, by spinning this monumental error as irrelevant. Unfortunately for team Kerry, nearly every media outlet and staffer with a voice took Dan Rather's banner and ran with it. Had a 527 purported this information and CBS simply reported on it; no harm no foul. The 527 can be blamed. The duplicity is astounding.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Sketcher

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28I understood it well enough. Just comparing one group's "desperation" to another. Like I've said before, I will denounce the ones that have spread the false documents (if they are false). To me, the ends don't justify the means.

"if they are false" ? Waiting for CBS/RAthER to officially declare they had their thumbs up their asses? It ain't gonna happen no matter how many forensic analysis prove the falsehood. But, the document in-authenticity aside... My post you take issue with specifically regards CBS/RAthER not having the same exemption as a 527 group. Uhtrinity's "Fair Play" equates that it does. Holy Crap Weasel I don't see how this separation isn't obvious. Comparing the desparation of one group to another!? Come on, now you're not even being relevant. If you understood it then comment on the issue. The issue is that syndicated media is not 527 sanctioned; is not fair play. If FOX News(Anchor of Choice) had done this, you can bet there would be yelling from every corner of anti-Bush territory in the world. As it is, CBS damage control is working hard to not become irrelevant, by spinning this monumental error as irrelevant. Unfortunately for team Kerry, nearly every media outlet and staffer with a voice took Dan Rather's banner and ran with it. Had a 527 purported this information and CBS simply reported on it; no harm no foul. The 527 can be blamed. The duplicity is astounding.

My point is that newspapers and televisions report using "unidentified sources" all the time. What makes this different? Honestly, where does it? It doesn't. I don't like the secrecy of the matter, but that is a journalistic privilege, I suppose. Every news source uses the same tactic almost on a daily basis, how is this different? Because Bush is the target? If CBS' source is false, damn straight they should say so and squash this. Lying is lying. But in the meanwhile, we need to examine the evidence and draw our own conclusions. The right will say it's false, the left will say it's true. As of right now, things are suspicious in every aspect of this situation, so I don't believe it right now. I'm not the blindfolded type.

A 527 is usually a group with a specific agenda, so they can't be compared to a media outlet. I'm comparing this with the Swift Boat situation, because the Swifties were proven to be hacks and liars with an axe to grind. CBS News (with the exception of Rather) does not. My point with desperation on both sides is that the right is automatically starting to run with the ball that Kerry was behind the alleged false documents, just as Kerry's group has been running with the same documents. So in my eyes, there is no difference in that regard. The right has been running a smear campaign since day one practically, because I feel they're running on a one concept campaign and desperately needed another angle to appeal to independent voters. First with the Swifties and now, possibly, this.

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28The right has been running a smear campaign since day one practically, because I feel they're running on a one concept campaign and desperately needed another angle to appeal to independent voters. First with the Swifties and now, possibly, this.

Interesting. So the "Right" needs to angle a perception on CBS's snafu to appeal to independent voters!? Weazels of wickedness batman, the almighty smear_gun doesn't even have to be taken off safety on this one. CBS shopped, cooked and served it's own disgrace wellington here. But this is all beside the point. You're arguing party desparation when the post you jumped in at was arguing sanction relativity.

D. Rather doesn't have an agenda? Danny panders to unbiased reporting like Ted Kennedy avoids the bottle. And don't regard a "smear campaign" as being an exclusive capability of the right-wing. The fast forming and furious "me too" line to jump on the CBS bandwagon against Bush would impress even the most ardent garage sale aficianado. Don't sell your team short.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Sketcher

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28The right has been running a smear campaign since day one practically, because I feel they're running on a one concept campaign and desperately needed another angle to appeal to independent voters. First with the Swifties and now, possibly, this.

Interesting. So the "Right" needs to angle a perception on CBS's snafu to appeal to independent voters!? Weazels of wickedness batman, the almighty smear_gun doesn't even have to be taken off safety on this one. CBS shopped, cooked and served it's own disgrace wellington here. But this is all beside the point. You're arguing party desparation when the post you jumped in at was arguing sanction relativity.

D. Rather doesn't have an agenda? Danny panders to unbiased reporting like Ted Kennedy avoids the bottle. And don't regard a "smear campaign" as being an exclusive capability of the right-wing. The fast forming and furious "me too" line to jump on the CBS bandwagon against Bush would impress even the most ardent garage sale aficianado. Don't sell your team short.

Let's put it this way, if Bush and Co. comes out with false crap, how many from the right will denounce it? NONE! ABSOLUTELY NONE!

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: ntdz
novak's sources werent proven to be false now were they, while cbs's are in serious question.

:laugh: I'm sorry, what?

Novak went to the creator of the document and the creator denies ever creating them and called them forgeries. Novak: 1, CBS: 0

CBS refuses to identify where the documents came from.
Novak: 1, CBS: 0

Novak has more credibility in this matter now, while CBS has no credibility.

Killian passed away two decades ago.

Did Novak conduct a seance we don't know about?

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Sketcher

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28The right has been running a smear campaign since day one practically, because I feel they're running on a one concept campaign and desperately needed another angle to appeal to independent voters. First with the Swifties and now, possibly, this.

Interesting. So the "Right" needs to angle a perception on CBS's snafu to appeal to independent voters!? Weazels of wickedness batman, the almighty smear_gun doesn't even have to be taken off safety on this one. CBS shopped, cooked and served it's own disgrace wellington here. But this is all beside the point. You're arguing party desparation when the post you jumped in at was arguing sanction relativity.

D. Rather doesn't have an agenda? Danny panders to unbiased reporting like Ted Kennedy avoids the bottle. And don't regard a "smear campaign" as being an exclusive capability of the right-wing. The fast forming and furious "me too" line to jump on the CBS bandwagon against Bush would impress even the most ardent garage sale aficianado. Don't sell your team short.

Let's put it this way, if Bush and Co. comes out with false crap, how many from the right will denounce it? NONE! ABSOLUTELY NONE!

I disagree; if Bush & Co created a document that was such an obvious forgery like the TANG memo in question, I would denounce it. Search my username if you wonder, I'm a pretty strong Bush supporter.

This memo is such an obvious forgery, it's simply pathetic that anyone at CBS believed it was genuine. It contains superscripted text (Not impossible in 72, but not used often because it wasn't easy to do), improbable spacing for a typewriter, and is on paper unlike what was used in the 70s...

Basically the equivelant of Bush showing us proof that Iraq had nuclear weapons, but the proof is written in crayon.

 

[thegimp03]

Yeah, really great that Democrats have to try to come up with anything possible, even forge documents, to make Bush look bad and to get their fraud Kerry to win the election. It just goes to show you can't really trust news from CNN, CBS, or MSNBC. It's quite sad what the US media has become...scandalous.

 

[Luck JF]

I recommend people to watch FOX news if they receive it on their cable or satellite.
They are fair and balanced. They present equal sides to the issues during their news.
The commentary programs are interesting as well.

 

[EXman]

We All know Conjur is the Source!!!!