This one ought to light some fires...

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

you don't know any gay people do you?

Note that they don't let that stop them from hating them though.

 

[JDub02]

interesting. I'd like to see it.

 

[shiner]

Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay?

Well....I think it is both.

I have a cousin who is gay, think he was born that way. He has always seemed very feminine. Didn't surprise anyone when he told the family.

I have a good friend who in college decided he was gay. Lived that lifestyle for about 3 years, then decided to be hetero.

My wife's best friend is gay and much like my cousin she says she thinks he was born that way.

In either case WTF does it matter really? Seriously, what people do behind closed doors is none of my fvcking business. Not that I'm thrilled about the idea of gay marriages, but I don't believe it is the end of the world. Just leave them the fvck alone and let them live their lives. Finding love in this world isn't the easiest thing to do, and if they have someone that they love and who loves them who are we to say it is bad?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

In either care WTF does it matter really? ?

Agreed. I actually am not for gay marriage but civil union but with this election going on this seems like very unimportant stuff. (Of course I guess if you're gay it's important).

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

you don't know any gay people do you?

On the contrary i've never known so many as now. In fact i find it amazing just how many gays there are in our society. Seems like it's gotta be 1 in 20 now or something. This makes us rather unique in the animal world don't you think? I wonder why that is?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

you don't know any gay people do you?

On the contrary i've never known so many as now. In fact i find it amazing just how many gays there are in our society. Seems like it's gotta be 1 in 20 now or something. This makes us rather unique in the animal world don't you think? I wonder why that is?

Some say 1/10 although I don't really see it being that high.

Homosexual behavior is not that unique in the animal world, especially considering primates. Look at bonobos. But it does raise interesting questions how such genetic strains stick around, I'll admit that.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

you don't know any gay people do you?

On the contrary i've never known so many as now. In fact i find it amazing just how many gays there are in our society. Seems like it's gotta be 1 in 20 now or something. This makes us rather unique in the animal world don't you think? I wonder why that is?

It doesn't make us unique at all. More like it makes us part of the herd and reinforces the fact that, contrary to the claims of some religious groups, humans are merely plain old animals too:

http://news.nationalgeographic..._040722_gayanimal.html

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Some say 1/10 although I don't really see it being that high.

Most studies say anywhere from 1-3%.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://news.nationalgeographic..._040722_gayanimal.html

That is a hilarious link... gayanimal.html

You can find anything on the net...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://news.nationalgeographic..._040722_gayanimal.html

That is a hilarious link... gayanimal.html

You can find anything on the net...

Yes, you can. But National Geographic is not exactly known for spouting bs, and it's a well etablished fact that a wide variety of animals have homosexual relations, just like we human animals do. It also tends to point as genetics as a cause of sexual orientation since I haven't read where anyone has pointed out viable environmental factors that account for two male penguins buggering each other on a consistent basis. I doubt one penguin as a young hatchling saw another penguin in drag singing Streisand songs and said to itself "You know. That is soooo me."

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://news.nationalgeographic..._040722_gayanimal.html

That is a hilarious link... gayanimal.html

You can find anything on the net...

Yes, you can. But National Geographic is not exactly known for spouting bs, and it's a well etablished fact that a wide variety of animals have homosexual relations,

Agreed. If you had read my post above you would have seen that i referenced bonobos.

National Geographic is great. Just struck me as a funny page name.

 

[Steeplerot]

Funny we have tens of thousands of gay people here but never heard of a ex-gay.
More clueless banter from the isolated and misinformed, quit your hating don't you have a dog to kick or something?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Agreed. If you had read my post above you would have seen that i referenced bonobos.

My post on the issue only appeared a scant minute after yours so I hadn't noticed you snuck one in there.

National Geographic is great. Just struck me as a funny page name.

Seemed to make sense to me. :shrug:

Queereyeforthetetsefly.html, now THAT would've been funny.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

you don't know any gay people do you?

On the contrary i've never known so many as now. In fact i find it amazing just how many gays there are in our society. Seems like it's gotta be 1 in 20 now or something. This makes us rather unique in the animal world don't you think? I wonder why that is?

Some say 1/10 although I don't really see it being that high.

Homosexual behavior is not that unique in the animal world, especially considering primates. Look at bonobos. But it does raise interesting questions how such genetic strains stick around, I'll admit that.

No, homosexual behavior is not unique in the animal world but in no species is it anywhere near as prevelent as in human beings and in those species where it does occure most often(although not nearly as much as in the human species) it is not homosexuality it is bisexuality.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Perry404

No, homosexual behavior is not unique in the animal world but in no species is it anywhere near as prevelent as in human beings and in those species where it does occure most often(although not nearly as much as in the human species) it is not homosexuality it is bisexuality.

You didn't read the national geographic article did you? (Can't say I'm surprised) First of all you have no evidence that in "no species it is anywhere near as prevelant as in human beings." Second the article specifically mentions homosexuality AND bisexuality meaning there is also homosexuality and they mention the males ignore the females.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

At the very basic level, gay men and women are people. They love each other in the same way that we all love our significant others. It is my belief that most gays are born that way, and their decision to live a gay lifestyle is one that is beyond their control. Telling them that they have a choice is the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard, them choosing not to be gay is them choosing not to be who they really are and forcing them to live a life of lies. And I love it when the religious right brings up the issue of the sanctitiy of marriage, I mean for christ sakes looks at our divorce rate in this country. 1 out of every 3 marriages ends in divorce. If anything, our standards for marriage are falling fast. I find that most people who oppose gay marriages simply have no relationships with openly gay men and women, representing the viewpoint of someone with no real knowledge of the subject.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Perry404

No, homosexual behavior is not unique in the animal world but in no species is it anywhere near as prevelent as in human beings and in those species where it does occure most often(although not nearly as much as in the human species) it is not homosexuality it is bisexuality.

You didn't read the national geographic article did you? (Can't say I'm surprised) First of all you have no evidence that in "no species it is anywhere near as prevelant as in human beings." Second the article specifically mentions homosexuality AND bisexuality meaning there is also homosexuality and they mention the males ignore the females.

Sorry but the scientific method says that one must prove a theory correct not that the rest of the world must prove it incorrect. Let's see some statistics. Any jr high school study can figure out that humans have more homosexual sex than other species, try visiting the zoo some time. If you want some serious reading just let me know and maybe i can help you. National geographic is the layman's science interpreter not to mention a large commercial organization. I dropped them from my reputable list 10 years ago when they were bought out by nbc.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Perry404

No, homosexual behavior is not unique in the animal world but in no species is it anywhere near as prevelent as in human beings and in those species where it does occure most often(although not nearly as much as in the human species) it is not homosexuality it is bisexuality.

You didn't read the national geographic article did you? (Can't say I'm surprised) First of all you have no evidence that in "no species it is anywhere near as prevelant as in human beings." Second the article specifically mentions homosexuality AND bisexuality meaning there is also homosexuality and they mention the males ignore the females.

Sorry but the scientific method says that one must prove a theory correct not that the rest of the world must prove it incorrect. Let's see some statistics. Any jr high school study can figure out that humans have more homosexual sex than other species, try visiting the zoo some time. If you want some serious reading just let me know and maybe i can help you. National geographic is the layman's science interpreter not to mention a large commercial organization. I dropped them from my reputable list 10 years ago when they were bought out by nbc.

You're the one making the unsupported claims here about humans being the most prevalent in the homosexual sex department among animals. Let's see some figures from you backing up your claims please and not merely anecdotal statements about zoos.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

You're the one making the unsupported claims here about humans being the most prevalent in the homosexual sex department among animals. Let's see some figures from you backing up your claims please and not merely anecdotal statements about zoos.

:thumbsup:

(I thought the part about the zoos was endearing though)

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
This documetary finally answers a question no one asked. Who cares? If they're just gay because they want too be thats fine with me. If they're gay because they're born that way, thats also fine with me.

First reply, last word.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
At the very basic level, gay men and women are people. They love each other in the same way that we all love our significant others. It is my belief that most gays are born that way, and their decision to live a gay lifestyle is one that is beyond their control. Telling them that they have a choice is the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard, them choosing not to be gay is them choosing not to be who they really are and forcing them to live a life of lies. And I love it when the religious right brings up the issue of the sanctitiy of marriage, I mean for christ sakes looks at our divorce rate in this country. 1 out of every 3 marriages ends in divorce. If anything, our standards for marriage are falling fast. I find that most people who oppose gay marriages simply have no relationships with openly gay men and women, representing the viewpoint of someone with no real knowledge of the subject.

This is nothing more than conjecture. You don't know that they're born gay any more than I know that they choose to be. I've also demonstrated elsewhere that if the government gets in the business of legislating based on 'love', then they will have to allow incest, polygamy, and all other forms of marriage. This is a logical extension of 'love' as the governing reason for marriage.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Perry404

No, homosexual behavior is not unique in the animal world but in no species is it anywhere near as prevelent as in human beings and in those species where it does occure most often(although not nearly as much as in the human species) it is not homosexuality it is bisexuality.

You didn't read the national geographic article did you? (Can't say I'm surprised) First of all you have no evidence that in "no species it is anywhere near as prevelant as in human beings." Second the article specifically mentions homosexuality AND bisexuality meaning there is also homosexuality and they mention the males ignore the females.

Sorry but the scientific method says that one must prove a theory correct not that the rest of the world must prove it incorrect. Let's see some statistics. Any jr high school study can figure out that humans have more homosexual sex than other species, try visiting the zoo some time. If you want some serious reading just let me know and maybe i can help you. National geographic is the layman's science interpreter not to mention a large commercial organization. I dropped them from my reputable list 10 years ago when they were bought out by nbc.

You're the one making the unsupported claims here about humans being the most prevalent in the homosexual sex department among animals. Let's see some figures from you backing up your claims please and not merely anecdotal statements about zoos.

Wrong. The claim is that animals aside from humans engage in homosexual sex to the same degree as humans. This has not in any way shape or form been proven. The fact is that this has not been proven. The burden lies on your shoulders. Sofar in the animal world this has been a rare occurrence
It's taken 10,000 documentories just to find a few species that do engage this type of behavior as normal. A blind man can see that this is a rare occurrence.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Perry404
Wrong. The claim is that animals aside from humans engage in homosexual sex to the same degree as humans.

Wrong. That is not my claim. I merely claimed that animals engage in homosexual behaviour just as humans do. I made no claim as to a degree of comparison with humans in that regard. You, however, did.

So please stop trying to evade from backing up your assertion and either do so or admit that you have no such data to substantiate your claim.

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Perry404
Wrong. The claim is that animals aside from humans engage in homosexual sex to the same degree as humans.

Wrong. That is not my claim. I merely claimed that animals engage in homosexual behaviour just as humans do. I made no claim as to a degree of comparison with humans in that regard. You, however, did.

So please stop trying to evade from backing up your assertion and either do so or admit that you have no such data to substantiate your claim.

But you did assert as much. As i said any blind man can see that you have to look hard for homosexuality in the animal world yet you do not in the human world as it is so previlent. Science only needs to prove the obvious to the most helpless individuals. Should i find for you the documents to prove fire is hot? Get over the obvious and maybe you can learn something from the real debate and mind you this is a debate. I am not insisting anything beyond the obvious.

 

[lordtyranus]

Congratulations to the individual for conquering sin and Satan.