This one ought to light some fires...

[HeXploiT]

Do ex-gays exist?

This fascinating look into the lives of five former homosexuals answers many contemporary questions surrounding the possiblity of change. Inspirational from start to finish, this documentary describes the process of how people identify themselves as gay and then how a transition to a new heterosexual life is possible. "I Do Exist" demonstrates that change involves more than self-definition. Those who tell their story on this film describe profound reorientation of sexual and personal feelings leading to a greater sense of self-awareness and satisfaction.

Supplementing the personal stories of change are the observations of psychiatrist Dr. Robert Spitzer, psychology professors Dr. Mark Yarhouse and Dr. Warren Throckmorton and ex-gay advocate Arthur Goldberg. These noted experts give the viewer thought provoking perspectives on the controversial issues surrounding transition of personal sexuality. "I Do Exist" inspires and educates concerning one of the most talked about issues of our time.

Running Time: 48 Minutes, Audience: Adults/teens

Format: DVD & VHS

Produced by: Warren Throckmorton
Directed by: Jim Kragel
Original Music by Warren Throckmorton, Jim Kragel & Sonia Vannest
Written by Warren Throckmorton
Art Direction & Cover Design by Rex Kilian

IDOEXIST.NET TRUTHCOMESOUT.COM

©2004 Warren Throckmorton


Viewer comments:

"Produced by Dr. Warren Throckmorton, I DO EXIST is a documentary about homosexuals who have changed their identity to one that is heterosexual. The documentary explores the different types of homosexuality from the people who dabble in it and people who adopt a gay identity...The most important part of the documentary is interviews with people who had identified as gay for many years and decided to change...This is a wonderful and necessary video to dispel some of the confusions of our age, and it is highly recommended by MOVIEGUIDE®.

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[PingSpike]

This documetary finally answers a question no one asked. Who cares? If they're just gay because they want too be thats fine with me. If they're gay because they're born that way, thats also fine with me.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
This documetary finally answers a question no one asked. Who cares? If they're just gay because they want too be thats fine with me. If they're gay because they're born that way, thats also fine with me.

But.. but.. we have to do something about these people! They affect me in some way I cannot articulate!

 

[GoPackGo]

People make there own choices.

Perhaps people swing whichever way feels right.

 

[HeXploiT]

I think many of these people care as they're constantly being told by the gay community that they don't exist. That their feelings about being gay/straight are not legitimate. You know, science cannot always depend on fact(sadly). Such as in this case we must depend on peoples views. These opinions are just as important as the other majorities and may provide further insite.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
This documetary finally answers a question no one asked. Who cares? If they're just gay because they want too be thats fine with me. If they're gay because they're born that way, thats also fine with me.

There are a lot of very pro-gay rights people in this forum that would beg to differ. I've seen polls that over 50% of people who support same sex marriage only do so because they believe that homosexuals are born that way. This information could change a lot of minds.

 

[Infohawk]

I think people are probably born that way. If it were true they weren't then I might change my mind about a lot of gay issues. The source seems suspicious. I would hardly change my mind based on a study that seems to have an agenda. If a reputable science journal wants to deal with this subject, I'll be all ears.

Additionally, I think we can ask how these people know they aren't gay anymore? Is it that they just don't practice being gay? Or they have stopped themselves from thinking about sexuality? It seems like it's just putting a white veil over a black one, the black one is still there underneath.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: PingSpike
This documetary finally answers a question no one asked. Who cares? If they're just gay because they want too be thats fine with me. If they're gay because they're born that way, thats also fine with me.

There are a lot of very pro-gay rights people in this forum that would beg to differ. I've seen polls that over 50% of people who support same sex marriage only do so because they believe that homosexuals are born that way. This information could change a lot of minds.

Well I'll step up and say I'm not part of that group, I support people doing whatever the hell they want for whatever the hell reason they want as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's right to do the same.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Perry404
...You know, science cannot always depend on fact(sadly)...

Yes, yes it can. Otherwise it's not science, it's shlock that's fit for people with a specific agenda and not much else.

 

[Todd33]

Live and let live. I don't care what people do in their personal time.

 

[CaptnKirk]

But.. but.. we have to do something about these people! They affect me in some way I cannot articulate!

Hard to talk with your mouth full ?

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Perry404
...You know, science cannot always depend on fact(sadly)...

Yes, yes it can. Otherwise it's not science, it's shlock that's fit for people with a specific agenda and not much else.

You deliberately took that out of context. My point wasn't that it cannot depend on fact but that the hard facts just aren't enough to bring us to a conclusion in this case.

science cannot always depend on fact(sadly). Such as in this case we must depend on peoples views.

Meaning fact + peoples views. If the hard facts were enough in this case then the evidence would be indesputable which it is not.

 

[shiner]

One of my best buds is married to an ex lesbian.....verrrrrrrry sexy!!!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Perry404

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Perry404
...You know, science cannot always depend on fact(sadly)...

Yes, yes it can. Otherwise it's not science, it's shlock that's fit for people with a specific agenda and not much else.

You deliberately took that out of context. My point wasn't that it cannot depend on fact but that the hard facts just aren't enough to bring us to a conclusion in this case.

science cannot always depend on fact(sadly). Such as in this case we must depend on peoples views.

Meaning fact + peoples views. If the hard facts were enough in this case then the evidence would be indesputable which it is not.

I didn't "deliberately" do anything. You are talking like the views of an individual have something to do with science. I'm saying that simply can never be the case. Now if you're saying that human sexuality isn't a science, I'll agree, but I still don't think people's views can substitute for facts. We might not have all the facts, and views are good enough for the time being, but they aren't a good way to measure anything.

I think we simply had some miscommunication here, I think we're agreeing

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I didn't "deliberately" do anything. You are talking like the views of an individual have something to do with science. I'm saying that simply can never be the case. Now if you're saying that human sexuality isn't a science, I'll agree, but I still don't think people's views can substitute for facts. We might not have all the facts, and views are good enough for the time being, but they aren't a good way to measure anything.

I think we simply had some miscommunication here, I think we're agreeing

Any time you throw in the 'human factor' it's hard to get cut-and-dry results. That's why psychology, economics, and political science are 'soft sciences' - you can't really establish any certain, universally applicable laws the way you can in physics and chemistry.

 

[HeXploiT]

We might not have all the facts, and views are good enough for the time being, but they aren't a good way to measure anything.

I agree. Which is exactly why i included the term " (sadly)".
Sometimes you just have to work with whatever information is available, ie, peoples opinions/comments/etc.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: PingSpike
This documetary finally answers a question no one asked. Who cares? If they're just gay because they want too be thats fine with me. If they're gay because they're born that way, thats also fine with me.

There are a lot of very pro-gay rights people in this forum that would beg to differ. I've seen polls that over 50% of people who support same sex marriage only do so because they believe that homosexuals are born that way. This information could change a lot of minds.

This coming from the guy who told someone up here to "smoke a c*ck" :roll:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: PingSpike
This documetary finally answers a question no one asked. Who cares? If they're just gay because they want too be thats fine with me. If they're gay because they're born that way, thats also fine with me.

There are a lot of very pro-gay rights people in this forum that would beg to differ. I've seen polls that over 50% of people who support same sex marriage only do so because they believe that homosexuals are born that way. This information could change a lot of minds.

I recently came around due to some debate here and elsewhere and now feel that there is no reason why same-sex marriage should be prohibited, but it has nothing to do with homosexuality at all ( it's a gender discrimination issue, not a lifestyle-acceptance one.) But, I don't believe being "gay" is anything more than some mental disorder, not unlike alcoholism (which has gotten me flamed repeated in the past.) I recognize an individual's "right" to be gay, I just refuse to feel some sort of moral obligation to 'support' thier choice and for reason be 'proud' if their 'courage.'

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
it's a gender discrimination issue, not a lifestyle-acceptance one.

I never bought that argument. It's not gender discrimination because each sex is equally being discriminated against in gay marriages. (Personally, I'm a civil union / other name instead of a 'gay marriage' person).

I just refuse to feel some sort of moral obligation to 'support' thier choice and for reason be 'proud' if their 'courage.'

Nobody's asking you to... :roll:

 

[jackschmittusa]

Ever notice how the fundamentalists always showcase their success stories but refuse to acknowlege the ones that "fall off the wagon" so to speak?

I also belive that there are different classes of people who practice a gay lifestyle. I think there are people who are born gay. I belive there are people who developed in their growth enviornment who became gay. I think there are people who are truly bi-sexual. I also tend to believe that there are a small minority who, for various reasons, find homosexual sex less complicated or with fewer negatives than heterosexual sex.

Although some of the people in some of these groups might be convinced to abandon a gay lifestyle, what is the point? Why should anyone even care how someone else achieves sexual gratification in a consensual envirnment?

What you do in your bedroom is your business and what I do in mine is mine. Land of the free and all that you know.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Ever notice how the fundamentalists always showcase their success stories but refuse to acknowlege the ones that "fall off the wagon" so to speak?

I also belive that there are different classes of people who practice a gay lifestyle. I think there are people who are born gay. I belive there are people who developed in their growth enviornment who became gay. I think there are people who are truly bi-sexual. I also tend to believe that there are a small minority who, for various reasons, find homosexual sex less complicated or with fewer negatives than heterosexual sex.

Although some of the people in some of these groups might be convinced to abandon a gay lifestyle, what is the point? Why should anyone even care how someone else achieves sexual gratification in a consensual envirnment?

What you do in your bedroom is your business and what I do in mine is mine. Land of the free and all that you know.

Well, your beliefs are not supported by any of the research of "born gay" or "gay is a choice". Not that I would suggest you look at research but ... just so you know.

Also, I agree with you whenyou say that we shouldn't care about how others achieve their sex gratification. IT becomes an issue when I ask you to validate me because I get my gratification in a certain way. Then it becomes an issue. I don't want to know how you prefer to do your thing, but if you want the law of the land to protect and validate your gratification, and teach my young kids about how you get gratified, then I object.

Factually, people are leaving the homosexual lifestyle now more than evar. For the first time there is a support network for those that choose to live a different way. Their stories are unique but with some common threads and I think eductational for those of us that are not living that lifestyle.

I don't condem the folx that are in that lifestyle but it's silly to suggest that no one is harmed by their deliberate behavior.

It's highly unpopular to speak up about this issue as the harmonius personal attacks of the libs rise up like a chorus towards any and all that choose to do so.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Do you think it would be okay if gay people were allowed to not "validate" your marriage (say a gay CEO not pay out benefits)? What if non-christians refused to "validate" Christian marriages or even your relationship with your children? What I'm getting at is at some point people have to agree to accept things they don't agree with. I don't think anyone is asking you to teach your kids about gays, that is just a straw man.

(Again, I'm a civil union person, not gay marriage person).

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

My opinion is that it's all completely due to genetics as the primary determinate, though that's not to say environment plays no role at all. Where I see the problem is in the black & white viewpoint of one or the other. It doesn't factor in what I like to jokingly call "Shades of Gay." (OK, I can hear the groans from here.)

Being gay or straight is not simply that. Even a gay will point at another gay and proclaim them a "real flamer" or "queen" "a lipstick lesbian" or one of a hundred other labels gays have for each other. There are levels and I think we are born with those levels. Have you ever noticed the difference between two heterosexuals, one who appears and acts like a "man's man" and another who trends more to the effeminate? It applies to heterosexuals equally too.

I beleive there are gradients that comprise all of us as to our sexual identity. A mix of the masculine and effeminate that varies, to one degree or another, in every individual. That mix would tend to explain a lot of sexual behaviours and it makes sense as to genetics being the prime determining factor of sexuality as well. Sure, environment will take a role in determining on how a person's sexual genetic mix will express itself. But I don't believe it to be the prime factor by any means.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
This coming from the guy who told someone up here to "smoke a c*ck" :roll:

Stay on topic, troll. How what you just said has anything to do with my post is beyond me. Oh, and in case you forgot, still waiting for you to back yourself here.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: Perry404
Do ex-gays exist?

This fascinating look into the lives of five former homosexuals answers many contemporary questions surrounding the possiblity of change. Inspirational from start to finish, this documentary describes the process of how people identify themselves as gay and then how a transition to a new heterosexual life is possible. "I Do Exist" demonstrates that change involves more than self-definition. Those who tell their story on this film describe profound reorientation of sexual and personal feelings leading to a greater sense of self-awareness and satisfaction.

Supplementing the personal stories of change are the observations of psychiatrist Dr. Robert Spitzer, psychology professors Dr. Mark Yarhouse and Dr. Warren Throckmorton and ex-gay advocate Arthur Goldberg. These noted experts give the viewer thought provoking perspectives on the controversial issues surrounding transition of personal sexuality. "I Do Exist" inspires and educates concerning one of the most talked about issues of our time.

Running Time: 48 Minutes, Audience: Adults/teens

Format: DVD & VHS

Produced by: Warren Throckmorton
Directed by: Jim Kragel
Original Music by Warren Throckmorton, Jim Kragel & Sonia Vannest
Written by Warren Throckmorton
Art Direction & Cover Design by Rex Kilian

IDOEXIST.NET TRUTHCOMESOUT.COM

©2004 Warren Throckmorton


Viewer comments:

"Produced by Dr. Warren Throckmorton, I DO EXIST is a documentary about homosexuals who have changed their identity to one that is heterosexual. The documentary explores the different types of homosexuality from the people who dabble in it and people who adopt a gay identity...The most important part of the documentary is interviews with people who had identified as gay for many years and decided to change...This is a wonderful and necessary video to dispel some of the confusions of our age, and it is highly recommended by MOVIEGUIDE®.

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you don't know any gay people do you?