This one goes out to all you Nostradamuses and nVidia fanboys

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Very Debatable, G7x has had quite a useful lifetime and offers great performance acorss the spectrum.

ATI's has some edge in the image quality department, but nothing too dramatic.

OpenEXR HDR FP16 with MSAA, and Angle Independent AF, are the two things that stand out and in exchange for these 2 features, ATI made it's GPU's much more costly to make as well as significantly higher power consumption.

Those two things should easily be fixed with G80, Nvidia had Angle Independent AF prior to NV40, and the Open EXR + MSAA should be a given for next generation.

I do agree that the 7 series has had a productive lifespan. However, I do have to give ATI some major credit for some of their offerings, even though they were delayed. They have made some of the biggest transistions in between card launches. Heck, even the upcoming X1950's are going to have a completely different GDDR than the previous version. They could have just shrunk the die between the X1800's and X1900's and then merged two X1900's together and claimed it was one X1950. Both camps have contributed a good amount of technology, Nvidia with their GPU multiplications and ATI with their GPU/Mem interactions and IQ offerings. I've enjoyed both over the course of DX9 so far and am hoping that they continue to do different things.

Well judging from what I have heard of the X1950 Series, only the top model will be equipped with GDDR4, the Pro will be souped up X1900 GT with the Crossfire functionality on the die itself as well as higher clocks on the memory and GPU.

Shrinking the die of the R580 to 80nm wouldn't have done much good as it would still be 280mm2 which is about the level of the old R520.

The way they did it, is just implement increased memory bandwidth and that was basically it, that requires changing the PCB some, but the die functionality remains the same, the ring bus memory controller already support GDDR4.

It makes sense since R600 is a tad further off in the distance. They wanted a little something to bridge the gap.

Nvidia doesn't want to refresh again with NV4x/G7x based technology, they will skip to G80.

Yeah I do enjoy the competition between the two, as it provides me with choice and that is always a good thing.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Now about facing people and not talking behind there backs, which you just accused DaPunisher of doing. Don't you think its a behind the back insult to use the term Trollo?
You can go to www.green3d.com and discuss any problems you have with Rollo to his face. I believe he is also at Rage3d and NVnews. Not sure, but you got banned at NVnews, yes? If so, you can still use the other two forums to chat with him.
Hey, fair is fair.

Clearly it's not a 'behind the back' insult.

Rollo was banned for trolling here . . .

:roll:

:thumbsdown:



and there is NOthing but speculation as to whether ATi drop the GPU Hi-end . . . ATi/AMD denies it . . . IMO it is VERY doubtful in the short-term [3-5 years] . . .

and there is NOthing we can do about it if they do or don't.
:Q

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Now about facing people and not talking behind there backs, which you just accused DaPunisher of doing. Don't you think its a behind the back insult to use the term Trollo?
You can go to www.green3d.com and discuss any problems you have with Rollo to his face. I believe he is also at Rage3d and NVnews. Not sure, but you got banned at NVnews, yes? If so, you can still use the other two forums to chat with him.
Hey, fair is fair.

Clearly it's not a 'behind the back' insult.

Rollo was banned for trolling here . . .

:roll:

:thumbsdown:



and there is NOthing but speculation as to whether ATi drop the GPU Hi-end . . . ATi/AMD denies it . . . IMO it is VERY doubtful in the short-term [3-5 years] . . .

and there is NOthing we can do about it if they do or don't.
:Q

If it clearly wasn't an insult apoppin, I wouldn't have said anything. :disgust:

:thumbsdown:

:Q

Rollo was banned a long time ago, and yet his name is one of the most spoken of. Numerous people have accused Dave Baumann of being an ATI biased fanatic. So what does that make him? My point to Ackmed is plainly clear. I know you see it. You're a smart fella. Condemning punisher for behind the back insults while almost in the same breathe commits the same. Why arent you defending DaPunisher? He made no insult. And that my friend is the only thing clear about any of this.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Now about facing people and not talking behind there backs, which you just accused DaPunisher of doing. Don't you think its a behind the back insult to use the term Trollo?
You can go to www.green3d.com and discuss any problems you have with Rollo to his face. I believe he is also at Rage3d and NVnews. Not sure, but you got banned at NVnews, yes? If so, you can still use the other two forums to chat with him.
Hey, fair is fair.

Clearly it's not a 'behind the back' insult.

Rollo was banned for trolling here . . .

:roll:

:thumbsdown:



and there is NOthing but speculation as to whether ATi drop the GPU Hi-end . . . ATi/AMD denies it . . . IMO it is VERY doubtful in the short-term [3-5 years] . . .

and there is NOthing we can do about it if they do or don't.
:Q

If it clearly wasn't an insult apoppin, I wouldn't have said anything. :disgust:

:thumbsdown:

:Q

Rollo was banned a long time ago, and yet his name is one of the most spoken of. Numerous people have accused Dave Baumann of being an ATI biased fanatic. So what does that make him? My point to Ackmed is plainly clear. I know you see it. You're a smart fella. Condemning punisher for behing the back insults while almost in the same breathe commits the same. Why arent you defending DaPunisher? He made no insult. And that my friend is the only thing clear about any of this.

there are a LOT of Trolls that will never be forgotten here . . . Infamy is counted as more notorious than fame

i didn't think DaPunnisher needed defending . . .
. . . he made no insult . . .

my POINT is that it is NOT an insult to say things about Trolls 'behind their back'.

you're also a smart fellow . . . you could have figured it out

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Now about facing people and not talking behind there backs, which you just accused DaPunisher of doing. Don't you think its a behind the back insult to use the term Trollo?
You can go to www.green3d.com and discuss any problems you have with Rollo to his face. I believe he is also at Rage3d and NVnews. Not sure, but you got banned at NVnews, yes? If so, you can still use the other two forums to chat with him.
Hey, fair is fair.

Clearly it's not a 'behind the back' insult.

Rollo was banned for trolling here . . .

:roll:

:thumbsdown:



and there is NOthing but speculation as to whether ATi drop the GPU Hi-end . . . ATi/AMD denies it . . . IMO it is VERY doubtful in the short-term [3-5 years] . . .

and there is NOthing we can do about it if they do or don't.
:Q

If it clearly wasn't an insult apoppin, I wouldn't have said anything. :disgust:

:thumbsdown:

:Q

Rollo was banned a long time ago, and yet his name is one of the most spoken of. Numerous people have accused Dave Baumann of being an ATI biased fanatic. So what does that make him? My point to Ackmed is plainly clear. I know you see it. You're a smart fella. Condemning punisher for behing the back insults while almost in the same breathe commits the same. Why arent you defending DaPunisher? He made no insult. And that my friend is the only thing clear about any of this.

there are a LOT of Trolls that will never be forgotten here . . . Infamy is counted as more notorious than fame

i didn't think DaPunnisher needed defending . . .
. . . he made no insult . . .

my POINT is that it is NOT an insult to say things about Trolls 'behind their back'.

you're also a smart fellow . . . you could have figured it out

The one thing you, and many others, never really understood about Rollo, is that he was the way he was because of the irritating ATI fanboys at the time. So maybe he was guilty of "trolling" trolls, but I never considered him a troll. I worked with him quite a few times posting useful results, whether it be benchmarks or other. The true trolls only exist for one thing, to flame. Never to offer any useful or helpful information. The mods themselves were torn about banning him. Why do you think it took so long for them to do so? Rollo getting banned has lost this forum a really good source for NV info. At least whatever he was allowed to share. Was Rollo irritating? You bet, to ATI faithful. They hated him cause they could not beat him and his dialogues, made them feel smallish in a way.. This is the infamy you speak of no doubt. So, they lobbied heavily to have him banned based on the AEG fiasco.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

The one thing you, and many others, never really understood about Rollo, is that he was the way he was because of the irritating ATI fanboys at the time. So maybe he was guilty of "trolling" trolls, but I never considered him a troll. I worked with him quite a few times posting useful results, whether it be benchmarks or other. The true trolls only exist for one thing, to flame. Never to offer any useful or helpful information. The mods themselves were torn about banning him. Why do you think it took so long for them to do so? Rollo getting banned has lost this forum a really good source for NV info. At least whatever he was allowed to share. Was Rollo irritating? You bet, to ATI faithful. They hated him cause they could not beat him and his dialogues, made them feel smallish in a way.. This is the infamy you speak of no doubt. So, they lobbied heavily to have him banned based on the AEG fiasco.

you speak as his friend

the REST - a large majority of the forum - is glad to have Rollo gone. . . . i believe the Mods were also happy to show him the Exit.

i can always get nV news from any nVidia fan site . . . and i certainly don't miss Rollo's abuse on those who dared to disagree with him.

edit: in Bold i guess you are speaking about me
i was the first one to actually stay here and 'debate' him . . . and i DID learn ONE thing from Rollo . . . how to effectively use ridicule in a debate.
:Q

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Rollo was banned a long time ago, and yet his name is one of the most spoken of. Numerous people have accused Dave Baumann of being an ATI biased fanatic. So what does that make him? My point to Ackmed is plainly clear. I know you see it. You're a smart fella. Condemning punisher for behind the back insults while almost in the same breathe commits the same. Why arent you defending DaPunisher? He made no insult. And that my friend is the only thing clear about any of this.

Something you people cant get, Ive said, and would call him trollo if he was still here. Its not behind the back, because Ive done it "to his face" before. He got banned for trolling, the name is very fitting. Hes been banned here twice, banned from Rage3D twice, banned from HardOCP forums, the only other forum hes registered to, that I visit, is B3D. Which Ive got him on ignore, and have for some time. Same as the rest of the forums before he got banned.

Ive alread apologized to dapunisher, I took what he said the wrong way. You see, I can admit when Im wrong, unlike some.

Ive dropped it, and moved on, why cant the rest of you?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

The one thing you, and many others, never really understood about Rollo, is that he was the way he was because of the irritating ATI fanboys at the time. So maybe he was guilty of "trolling" trolls, but I never considered him a troll. I worked with him quite a few times posting useful results, whether it be benchmarks or other. The true trolls only exist for one thing, to flame. Never to offer any useful or helpful information. The mods themselves were torn about banning him. Why do you think it took so long for them to do so? Rollo getting banned has lost this forum a really good source for NV info. At least whatever he was allowed to share. Was Rollo irritating? You bet, to ATI faithful. They hated him cause they could not beat him and his dialogues, made them feel smallish in a way.. This is the infamy you speak of no doubt. So, they lobbied heavily to have him banned based on the AEG fiasco.

you speak as his friend

You are correct. And as such, took the time to understand where he was coming from.

the REST - a large majority of the forum - is glad to have Rollo gone. . . . i believe the Mods were also happy to show him the Exit.

You speak for a large amount of people. I'm sure the ratio would be close either way.
As for the mods, what you believe, and what I actually know, are two different things.

i can always get nV news from any nVidia fan site . . . and i certainly don't miss Rollo's abuse on those who dared to disagree with him.

My "home" is here at AT. I consider Rollo's banning a loss, here. I visit other forums as well, but here is where I reside the most.

edit: in Bold i guess you are speaking about me
Im not going to sit here an try to insult you. Lord know we have done plenty of that to each other in the past. And I have no interest in reliving such times.

i was the first one to actually stay here and 'debate' him . . . and i DID learn ONE thing from Rollo . . . how to effectively use ridicule in a debate.

Well, so for you, knowing him wasn't a total wash then.
:Q

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Rollo was banned a long time ago, and yet his name is one of the most spoken of. Numerous people have accused Dave Baumann of being an ATI biased fanatic. So what does that make him? My point to Ackmed is plainly clear. I know you see it. You're a smart fella. Condemning punisher for behind the back insults while almost in the same breathe commits the same. Why arent you defending DaPunisher? He made no insult. And that my friend is the only thing clear about any of this.

Something you people cant get, Ive said, and would call him trollo if he was still here. Its not behind the back, because Ive done it "to his face" before. He got banned for trolling, the name is very fitting. Hes been banned here twice, banned from Rage3D twice, banned from HardOCP forums, the only other forum hes registered to, that I visit, is B3D. Which Ive got him on ignore, and have for some time. Same as the rest of the forums before he got banned.

Ive alread apologized to dapunisher, I took what he said the wrong way. You see, I can admit when Im wrong, unlike some.

Ive dropped it, and moved on, why cant the rest of you?

We know, Ackmed. Very big of you to do so. It is appreciated. The conversation has kind of morphed beyond you now, so don't take any reference to your pre-apologetic posts personally. Have a :beer: on me. Even if you don't drink.

 

[Ackmed]

I didnt read but just a few posts up, thats it. No.. dont drink. Even though Im betting Ive seen, and served more than anyone around.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The one thing you, and many others, never really understood about Rollo, is that he was the way he was because of the irritating ATI fanboys at the time.

Changing yourself and making yourself a troll because of someone else's posting habits is a bit pathetic and degrading I think. If everyone did that then this forum would be a pretty sad place. If Rollo really was the way he was because of ATI fanboys then he would be the same even if he was an ATI fan(where he would hate the ATI fans for being such trolls), but no he wasn't an ATI fan and that's the reason for his posting habits. And seeing as how you yourself think he is intelligent, do you really think he would be so simple minded as to follow the other troll's habits?? He had his own special agenda(obviously) and that's what determined his posting habits.

What about you?? You haven't become a troll just because there are other people that are so don't try to make it as if someone who is as intelligent as Rollo would do the same.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The one thing you, and many others, never really understood about Rollo, is that he was the way he was because of the irritating ATI fanboys at the time.

Changing yourself and making yourself a troll because of someone else's posting habits is a bit pathetic and degrading I think. If everyone did that then this forum would be a pretty sad place. If Rollo really was the way he was because of ATI fanboys then he would be the same even if he was an ATI fan(where he would hate the ATI fans for being such trolls), but no he wasn't an ATI fan and that's the reason for his posting habits. And seeing as how you yourself think he is intelligent, do you really think he would be so simple minded as to follow the other troll's habits?? He had his own special agenda(obviously) and that's what determined his posting habits.

What about you?? You haven't become a troll just because there are other people that are so don't try to make it as if someone who is as intelligent as Rollo would do the same.

You yourself have gotten sucked into arguments that escalate. Everyone has. When someone flames another, it's perfectly natural to defend yourself. Maybe even take it a step or two further as I have seen and done myself many times on this board.

As far as the intelligence part goes. Who is to say how or when or where someone uses their intellect? What's good for you isn't always good for all others. I choose to be a bit more level headed than I used to be. Simply because I grew tired of the endless and meaningless flaming contests that never got resolved or went anywhere other than OT.
That, was my choice. May not be for everyone. I still get riled sometimes, but there are very few people in here that do not, once in a while.

Example: Go look at this thread in the CPU forum. The conversation was going fine..... until..... (check the last few posts) Link

Cliff notes: I'm building a new system for my sister, and bought a PD805 for her. She had a strict budget so I got the best I could all around. Got called an Intel fanboy for it. Care of Markfw900 as per usual.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


his dialogues, made them feel smallish in a way.. This is the infamy you speak of

Always said you are brighter than you present. :beer:

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You yourself have gotten sucked into arguments that escalate. Everyone has. When someone flames another, it's perfectly natural to defend yourself. Maybe even take it a step or two further as I have seen and done myself many times on this board.

Yes that is true but the way you worded your original post made it seem as if he completely changed his posting habits JUST because of ATI fans, which is extremely hard to believe. I haven't been around as long as you was but I personally didn't like some of what he posted because it wasn't very objective(the "7800GTX 512 is a good investment" thread comes to mind). I don't know if objective is the right word there.

I completely understand how you feel about the endless flame fests(all started by FUD and generalizations of certain people) in Video and don't bother or post as much as I used to except maybe for some tech help(providing or receiving).

Hehe, CPU forum is a bit nicer(although some nasties exist)...and more exciting since the Core2 release.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


his dialogues, made them feel smallish in a way.. This is the infamy you speak of

Always said you are brighter than you present. :beer:

Thanks.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

The one thing you, and many others, never really understood about Rollo, is that he was the way he was because of the irritating ATI fanboys at the time. So maybe he was guilty of "trolling" trolls, but I never considered him a troll. I worked with him quite a few times posting useful results, whether it be benchmarks or other. The true trolls only exist for one thing, to flame. Never to offer any useful or helpful information. The mods themselves were torn about banning him. Why do you think it took so long for them to do so? Rollo getting banned has lost this forum a really good source for NV info. At least whatever he was allowed to share. Was Rollo irritating? You bet, to ATI faithful. They hated him cause they could not beat him and his dialogues, made them feel smallish in a way.. This is the infamy you speak of no doubt. So, they lobbied heavily to have him banned based on the AEG fiasco.

you speak as his friend

You are correct. And as such, took the time to understand where he was coming from.

the REST - a large majority of the forum - is glad to have Rollo gone. . . . i believe the Mods were also happy to show him the Exit.

You speak for a large amount of people. I'm sure the ratio would be close either way.
As for the mods, what you believe, and what I actually know, are two different things.

i can always get nV news from any nVidia fan site . . . and i certainly don't miss Rollo's abuse on those who dared to disagree with him.

My "home" is here at AT. I consider Rollo's banning a loss, here. I visit other forums as well, but here is where I reside the most.

edit: in Bold i guess you are speaking about me
Im not going to sit here an try to insult you. Lord know we have done plenty of that to each other in the past. And I have no interest in reliving such times.

i was the first one to actually stay here and 'debate' him . . . and i DID learn ONE thing from Rollo . . . how to effectively use ridicule in a debate.

Well, so for you, knowing him wasn't a total wash then.
:Q

no experience in life is a waste . . . unless we fail to learn from it

my cyber home is also here and i consider it a positive to have Rollo gone . . . as do most of the posters here . . . as you say, we don't need to be insulted here for stating our opinions.

Example: Go look at this thread in the CPU forum. The conversation was going fine..... until..... (check the last few posts) Link

Cliff notes: I'm building a new system for my sister, and bought a PD805 for her. She had a strict budget so I got the best I could all around. Got called an Intel fanboy for it. Care of Markfw900 as per usual.

You talk about the X2 3800, but then build your sister an 805 POS ? For $50 more, she could have had an X2 3800, which runs much cooler than that 805, not to mention faster, and a better buy. You are just an Intel fanboy, admit it.

So you are both an intel fanboy and an nVidiot?!?!!
:Q

:shocked:

editL j/king . . . i was also waiting for the Empire to Strike Back . . . i tend to be a fan of lowprice/hi-performance

i bet Markf is having a hard time handling the latest news . . .

 

[apoppin]

dp

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

no experience in life is a waste . . . unless we fail to learn from it

my cyber home is also here and i consider it a positive to have Rollo gone . . . as do most of the posters here . . . as you say, we don't need to be insulted here for stating our opinions.

Example: Go look at this thread in the CPU forum. The conversation was going fine..... until..... (check the last few posts) Link

Cliff notes: I'm building a new system for my sister, and bought a PD805 for her. She had a strict budget so I got the best I could all around. Got called an Intel fanboy for it. Care of Markfw900 as per usual.

You talk about the X2 3800, but then build your sister an 805 POS ? For $50 more, she could have had an X2 3800, which runs much cooler than that 805, not to mention faster, and a better buy. You are just an Intel fanboy, admit it.

So you are both an intel fanboy and an nVidiot?!?!!
:Q

:shocked:

editL j/king . . . i was also waiting for the Empire to Strike Back . . . i tend to be a fan of lowprice/hi-performance

i bet Markf is having a hard time handling the latest news . . .

I am pretty open about my preferences. I like Nvidia better than I like ATI. I like Intel better than I like AMD. Big deal? It's a very big deal to some. Others could care less. But I don't need to be called a fanboy about it either. I do try to recommend what I think is better under a circumstance. I'm not a zealot running around telling everyone to buy a Conroe for example. I wont' get into it, but you get the point.

The "Empire". hehe. I was hoping Intel could pull it off. I had serious doubts after Netburst, but now I'm pleasantly surprised.

Markf seems to be gut wrenched over it. Meh, he'll live.

 

[Alaa]

ATi has to stay in the market..or nvidia will price their cards @1000$

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I didnt read but just a few posts up, thats it. No.. dont drink. Even though Im betting Ive seen, and served more than anyone around.

Its a bet! I only see, my living comes after the service.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The one thing you, and many others, never really understood about Rollo, is that he was the way he was because of the irritating ATI fanboys at the time. So maybe he was guilty of "trolling" trolls, but I never considered him a troll. I worked with him quite a few times posting useful results, whether it be benchmarks or other. The true trolls only exist for one thing, to flame. Never to offer any useful or helpful information. The mods themselves were torn about banning him. Why do you think it took so long for them to do so? Rollo getting banned has lost this forum a really good source for NV info. At least whatever he was allowed to share. Was Rollo irritating? You bet, to ATI faithful. They hated him cause they could not beat him and his dialogues, made them feel smallish in a way.. This is the infamy you speak of no doubt. So, they lobbied heavily to have him banned based on the AEG fiasco.

Oh please. Rollo was a TROLL. He would distort anything and everthing into Pro-NV/Anti-ATI, he would dig up any little ATI defect (whether real or perceived) and post everything in such as way as to intentionally create as many flame wars as possible.

There's a REASON he's been banned from SharkyExtreme, AnandTech (twice), HardForums, and from who knows how many other sites. And it wasn't from being TOO helpful or TOO personable. He was banned from at least three different website forums for being a troll. And I highly doubt that three separate bannings is a coincidence.

It's amazing how much the Video forum has quieted down in his absence. Another coincidence? Somehow I doubt it.