This needs explained

[Howard]

When describing the position of a valve, for instance, one might say that it's "fully closed", or "fully opened". But rather frequently I see that those two opposites are "fully closed" and "fully open".

Is the latter acceptable? If so, when and where? Otherwise, why the popularity?

 

[Aharami]

hmm...both sound acceptable to me. Although, I'll probably say "fully opened"

 

[CurseTheSky]

You, sir, are an evil, evil person.

 

[Phoenix86]

At the end of a day, is a store close?
Did they closed the store?

 

[rh71]

to be, or not to be?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Just like every cowboy sings a sad sad song.

 

[Rubycon]

The FO and FC times are extremely small. Most of the time valves are partially open. It's a true analog metric. This is why valves sound better than transistors.

 

[Kadarin]

The plane takes off...

 

[DrPizza]

The FO and FC times are extremely small. Most of the time valves are partially open. It's a true analog metric. This is why valves sound better than transistors.

Whoa! Madame President has graced us with an appearance!

 

[roguerower]

All about tenses I suppose. If i'm on the job-site talking to my plumber/site utility contractor then I'm going to ask if the valve is fully open or open. I would say closed vs. fully closed though. It's either open, partially open, or closed.

 

[xBiffx]

They are describing the state of the valve. The valved is open. The valve is closed.

When using the past tense you are not necessarily describing the state of the valve, but rather the last action taken on that valve. In this case, you are conveying the fact that you changed the state. The valve is opened. The valve is closed.

 

[JujuFish]

Both open and closed are adjectives. /thread

 

[Phoenix86]

They are describing the state of the valve. The valved is open. The valve is closed.

When using the past tense you are not necessarily describing the state of the valve, but rather the last action taken on that valve. In this case, you are conveying the fact that you changed the state. The valve is opened. The valve is closed.

This is technically correct and realistically never used.

 

[ZOXXO]

Closed and wide open.

 

[Drako]

"This needs explained" needs to be explained.

 

[KeithTalent]

I don't know man, I would ask Gabe.

KT

 

[HN]

schrodinger's valve

 

[xBiffx]

This is technically correct and realistically never used.

For sure, especially when talking over a radio. Did he say that valve was open or opened? :hmm:

 

[Markbnj]

I'm going with "opened is grammatically correct", and "who cares?"

 

[xBiffx]

I'm going with "opened is grammatically correct", and "who cares?"

Both are correct grammar. I used to care, when I worked in chemical plants.

 

[Markbnj]

Both are correct grammar. I used to care, when I worked in a chemical plant.

Guess that only leaves my second answer then.

Edit: you cared whether a valve was open? Or you cared whether it was "open" vs. "opened?"

 

[xBiffx]

Guess that only leaves my second answer then.

Edit: you cared whether a valve was open? Or you cared whether it was "open" vs. "opened?"

Yes, read my OP. One carries more meaning than the other in the situation I just talked about.

 

[Markbnj]

Yes, read my OP. One carries more meaning than the other in the situation I just talked about.

Ah, I was being flip, but now I see your point. "Open" I would think implies "fully opened." "Opened" would be less specific. However, between "fully open" and "fully opened" I cannot see any meaningful semantic distinction.

 

[xBiffx]

Ah, I was being flip, but now I see your point. "Open" I would think implies "fully opened." "Opened" would be less specific. However, between "fully open" and "fully opened" I cannot see any meaningful semantic distinction.

Depends on the valve. All valves are not a digital device. They aren't just a 1 or 0, on or of, open[ed] or closed. Some are analog in that they can be opened or even open but that doesn't mean that its fully opened or open (same for closed).

Again, when I say the valve is fully opened I am conveying the message that not only is the valve now fully open but I also changed its state to be that way.

 

[SagaLore]

"This needs explained" needs to be explained.

That is how I would have worded the title if not for my wife spending the last few years squashing what little Pennsylvanian dialect I still had in my speech.

Now I'm wondering if Howard is from PA.