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Yongsta

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How many sites slap so much god damn advertising all over the place it takes 10 times longer to load the page than it should and looks like crap. It is a 2 way street. Adblock wouldn't exist if there wasn't a problem.

Anandtech has decent ads and places them sensibly.

A lot of "suspect" sites use those practices but the majority of legit sites don't. Anyways, it's their owned content and if you choose to visit said site because you enjoy something on there, they should have the right to make money how they see fit. It's their choice to have advertising all over the place and it's your choice to simply avoid visiting and getting the same content elsewhere.
 

Jodell88

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Jan 29, 2007
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How many sites slap so much god damn advertising all over the place it takes 10 times longer to load the page than it should and looks like crap. It is a 2 way street. Adblock wouldn't exist if there wasn't a problem.

Anandtech has decent ads and places them sensibly.
I use NoScript and the amount of junk on some websites is staggering, news websites are probably the biggest offenders.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Right, but how many people are gonna actually use the whitelists?

Not me. Anandtech has already served up malware through the adserver. All ads get blocked everywhere. If that's a problem, sites can go away, or find a different revenue source. It's all the same to me.
 

Jeff7

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Jan 4, 2001
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Enjoy reading Anandtech and the forums? What percentage of the revenue from Anandtech are from ads? I would say a good majority. Too many people start using these devices and adblock, current revenue models disappear and so do the websites.
They used to offer a Subscriber option - no ads, and fast forums. Now the mighty AT hamster shoulders the burden of running the forums. He normally runs along at a pretty nice clip, but occasionally he'll get a foot caught in the wheel's rungs, or worse, falls sideways, causing the whole contraption to grind to a bone-crunching halt.


(And yes, I paid for that back then.)


I wonder how much ad revenue a single user generates? How much stuff are they expecting me to buy as a result of seeing an ad?

I guess it's fairly substantial, otherwise advertising wouldn't be the ridiculously huge deal that it is.
 

mmntech

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Sep 20, 2007
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Not me. Anandtech has already served up malware through the adserver. All ads get blocked everywhere. If that's a problem, sites can go away, or find a different revenue source. It's all the same to me.

The downside is they'll just start charging, or do what Facebook does and sell all your info.

I think there is a balance that needs to be struck though. Advertising in the early days of the internet used to be very intrusive. Everyone forgets about popups. Been a long time since we've seen those. Lately, it's beginning to creep up again. This is why so many people use adblocking software. When you have ones that pop up and cover the article you're trying to read, or force you to watch them at the beginning of every video. The worst are video ads that auto-play unsolicited with audio. Just halmarks of poor web design.
 

Leros

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Jul 11, 2004
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Interesting. I would say I don't see a need for it with AdBlock for browsers, but....

My little underpowered chromebook takes twice as long to render a page with AdBlock enabled. I could see this being useful for a place with multiple underpowered computers on the network.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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The downside is they'll just start charging, or do what Facebook does and sell all your info.

I'm ok with charging. I'd probably pay for AT forums. I'm not sure how much money AT can make selling my info(there's very little), but there's a reason I don't don't do facebook.
 

Leros

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Jul 11, 2004
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I'd be curious how much ATOT makes off ads per user. I'd be willing to pay a few bucks a year to support ATOT. I'm assuming that's more than they'd make off showing me ads.
 

Crono

Lifer
Aug 8, 2001
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Selectively blocking intrusive ads is one thing if you have a broad whitelist or a blacklist (like by using ABP), but if this blocks all ads, that would be bad. I'd rather have obvious ads bordering content than have sites being paid for subtle in-text ads or even worse, being paid to have sponsored sections or to write favorable reviews.

Otherwise we'll end up on a premium content model for review and news websites. Someone has to pay the bills for websites like AnandTech. It's either through advertising or the users. I wouldn't mind paying for a few sites, but if the entire web goes that way, people are going to start narrowing down the websites that they visit to a lot less.
 

Doppel

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Feb 5, 2011
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does adblock plus remove the video ads before youtube videos?

Hell yes :cool::cool::cool:

Adblock is king. I had somebody over recently, a relative (my own blood) who didn't know this. It made me sad.

That said, it would be nice to have something at the router, because Chrome on the ipad, for example, has no adblock. I can't even be bothered to google but have to assume with 99% confidence that some better routers already allow software to be loaded that does the same thing as adtrap.

It almost seems like CNN got trolled. Certainly their example of youtube was ludicrous.
Right, but how many people are gonna actually use the whitelists?
I don't. I never have clicked on internet ads and thus seeing them is just an annoyance and waste of my time. I never, ever whitelist any site.

For people like me the advertising model is worthless, and it is for the majority of people. We simply do not click ads. We ride on the backs of the those small number of people who do. There must be other models for the internet. Subscribing to single sites is a huge hassle. I could imagine something along the lines of all advertisements are gone off the net, but every time you visit a website a tracking mechanism says you went to it, and you pay per click of site you visit with a central authority dishing out the funds. So, you pay a certain amount per month and sites automatically get a tiny cut from that based on how much you use them. This is the only way I could personally pay for websites, because none make a penny off me from advertisements.
 
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lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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My little underpowered chromebook takes twice as long to render a page with AdBlock enabled. I could see this being useful for a place with multiple underpowered computers on the network.

What browser are you using; Chrome? Chrome's extension system sucks, and I'm not entirely surprised their adblock slows things down. Firefox with ABP speeds up my browsing, especially when dealing with laggy adservers. Add NoScript for even more speed.

If ads didn't include malware, and didn't try to track my movements, I'd let them through. I don't find them especially distracting, and I'd even tolerate slight slowness, but things being as they are, I can't let ads through.
 

HeXen

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Dec 13, 2009
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Even IE has Adblock now. I didn't like Noscript as I was just to lazy to deal with the annoyance of most websites not working.

A lot of "suspect" sites use those practices but the majority of legit sites don't. Anyways, it's their owned content and if you choose to visit said site because you enjoy something on there, they should have the right to make money how they see fit. It's their choice to have advertising all over the place and it's your choice to simply avoid visiting and getting the same content elsewhere.

*secretly uses Adblock*.....c'mon, who else thinks Advertisement activists like Yongsta secretly uses them too?
 
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BUTCH1

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Jul 15, 2000
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Hey look, it's a hardware implementation of Adblock for internet dummies who are too stupid to install a free add-on and will pay a $149 "stupid" tax and think their all tech-savvy LOL..
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Subscribing to single sites is a huge hassle. I could imagine something along the lines of all advertisements are gone off the net, but every time you visit a website a tracking mechanism says you went to it, and you pay per click of site you visit with a central authority dishing out the funds. So, you pay a certain amount per month and sites automatically get a tiny cut from that based on how much you use them. This is the only way I could personally pay for websites, because none make a penny off me from advertisements.

Use something like flattr, where people can easily donate a bit of money. Even better, like flattr, but completely anonymous. People need to get off their asses, and support things they appreciate. Software, music, movies, forums... A couple dollars here and there can mean a lot of money if enough people do it. By the same token, they should all be free to share so people short on money can participate in society. Pay if you can, and don't worry about it if you can't.
 

Doppel

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Feb 5, 2011
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Use something like flattr, where people can easily donate a bit of money. Even better, like flattr, but completely anonymous. People need to get off their asses, and support things they appreciate. Software, music, movies, forums... A couple dollars here and there can mean a lot of money if enough people do it. By the same token, they should all be free to share so people short on money can participate in society. Pay if you can, and don't worry about it if you can't.
Damn it so basically my idea is not only old but already happening in some capacity ;)

It reminds me I should find a way to donate to adblock. I have blocked 107449 ads since installing it on this particular PC.
 

BarkingGhostar

Diamond Member
Nov 20, 2009
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yes

I don't know why so many people fell for his scheme, he didn't invent anything, he just made it pricey by implementing it with hardware.
I can figure out to get this to work. I am running 2.3.2 of AdBlock in Firefox 23 and I still get ads in YouTube videos (most of the time).

I am using the defaultly enabled EasyList and I unchecked the box that says "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" but it doesn't work.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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I can figure out to get this to work. I am running 2.3.2 of AdBlock in Firefox 23 and I still get ads in YouTube videos (most of the time).

I am using the defaultly enabled EasyList and I unchecked the box that says "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" but it doesn't work.

Try Fanboy's ultimate list. It shouldn't make a difference, but maybe it does. I never had ads with easy list either.

https://secure.fanboy.co.nz/filters.html
 

Leros

Lifer
Jul 11, 2004
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What browser are you using; Chrome? Chrome's extension system sucks, and I'm not entirely surprised their adblock slows things down. Firefox with ABP speeds up my browsing, especially when dealing with laggy adservers. Add NoScript for even more speed.

If ads didn't include malware, and didn't try to track my movements, I'd let them through. I don't find them especially distracting, and I'd even tolerate slight slowness, but things being as they are, I can't let ads through.

AdBlock speeds up browsing on Chrome on all my other computers due to not having to download ad content. My Chromebook is so underpowered that executing the extension adds significant time to the page load.
 

Minerva

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Nov 18, 1999
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This device has its merits for sure.

I can give plenty of examples. Users of tablets, smart phones, etc. that are not "jailbroken" or "rooted" won't get ads.

PCs running Adblock may not be allowed to view content where the programmer of the site has adblock detection. This would not work for this. I know because my HTC One is rooted and I have an adblock hosts file. When I tether any device connected does not get ads AND the sites that normally ask to turn off your adblocker are NOT affected. Videos at the beginning of Youtube and other news sites are also missing.

I don't believe it's necessary to buy a piece of hardware for $130 to do this, however. A decent SOHO router should be able to handle this task internally with some clever firmware hacks.

If not, a piece of router software like untangle or MikroTik should have this capability.

I don't know how powerful the appliance is, if it could handle the load of say a workgroup of 50 pcs, if it could SOHO users may find it useful to prevent driveby attacks. Users that listen to the radio, for example, often have a player that will display ads. If their machine has a vulnerability like out of data java, flash, etc. and gets hit with "WinSecurity 2013" or whatever fakealert shit, it's a PIA for the user and generates a nuisance call for the IT monkey.

Some could abuse it too, if you call it that, and use services such as Pandora and not worry about ads. However I believe these are injected into the sound stream now due to adblock in browsers.

I would not mind ads if they behaved and were static pictures. The ones that play sounds, jump all around the page like an earwig in heat, shit like that, are just the reason why everything here gets blocked. Nevermind the malware. Noscript FTW. :)
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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AdBlock speeds up browsing on Chrome on all my other computers due to not having to download ad content. My Chromebook is so underpowered that executing the extension adds significant time to the page load.

My Eee has a 900mhz CeleronM, and 1gb ram. I've never noticed ABP slowing things down. Is your Chromebook an ARM? maybe you could filter the stuff at a lower level with iptables.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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I never see ads on Youtube, regardless of browser. I just checked my FF and Opera for extensions and there's no adblock or anything related. I am also using Chrome with no extensions except for mouse gestures and still see no ads on Youtube. Why? As a negative, some videos on sites never load at all (like gamespot).

I think the only mod I've done is a hosts file pointing some sites back to 127.0.0.1 but youtube wouldn't skip the ad part completely because of that.
 
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