erikistired
Diamond Member
well that's what i was curious about. fuct logic imho (it's only okay to need the space if it's a hybrid, otherwise you're the devil for driving an suv and you don't really need it) but an acceptable answer.
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This makes no financial sense; SUV vs. Hybrid
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well that's what i was curious about. fuct logic imho (it's only okay to need the space if it's a hybrid, otherwise you're the devil for driving an suv and you don't really need it) but an acceptable answer.
I'm pretty "anti-suv" for all intents and purposes simply because I think wagons or minivans would suit most people as well, if not better and provide better milage, cargo and people hauling capacity, shorter stopping distances, and lower the death tolls in traffic accidents.
The only real reason that we considered the Highlander is simply because it's the only hybrid besides the Ford Escape to offer any sort of real life practicality in a non-hideous design.
If Subaru or Volkswagen offered a similar technology in their wagons we would certainly consider those over the Highlander. We simply need a wagon/hatch type vehicle to haul around a 75 pound dog and make the frequent trip to Home Depot for mulch or potting soil.
Well, MY logic is if you need the space, by all means drive an SUV. You get bonus points for driving a hybrid SUV. If you DON'T need the space, it's certainly not my place to tell you NOT to drive an SUV, but it does strike me as being somewhat environmentally irresponsible. This can be partially ameliorated by driving a hybrid.
If you drive an SUV because it's trendy...well, I hate trendy things, and I know that's illogical😛
Sure you can, it's much more difficult in todays society that is obsessed with wealth. Also, you may want to gain an understanding of what "money" is.
Life does not revolve around wealth. Many entities in todays society want you to believe that life is all about wealth, they are wrong. If your whole focus in life is to acquire wealth, then you have a world of hurt coming to you in the future.
erikistired
Diamond Member
i can completely respect that. i wish more people thought like you!
erikistired
Diamond Member
n'm.
Andres3605
Senior member
at least he knows his hybrid is not going to be in the shop in a long time
The Pentium Guy
Diamond Member
Guys, he said the explorer was '92 - that's 13 years old. He had to buy a new car soon, and rather than supporting his old explorer with maintanence bills, he decided to get a new car - AND save money on gas. I don't see what the fuss is all about.
alkemyst
No Lifer
hmm guys there is A LOT OF advantages for hybrids on a financial level. There are tax breaks for one (don't know if non-business owners qualify).
However hybrids hold there value extremely well, sometimes (due to demand in certain areas appreciating).
You do have to be a driving fool to enjoy the gas benefits though, even 1500 miles a month, every month probably won't cut it.
However hybrids hold there value extremely well, sometimes (due to demand in certain areas appreciating).
You do have to be a driving fool to enjoy the gas benefits though, even 1500 miles a month, every month probably won't cut it.
My first thought. People on ATOT, who are mostly technical people, only analyze WHAT people say. They don't analyze WHY they say it.
The OP is one of those people who always thinks he is right, and that he can fix anything. He's never wrong, and he's only about 18 years old.
BurnItDwn
Lifer
at $3 per gallon it will take 252,273 miles for the gas savings alone to pay for the $30000
A / 15 = b1
A / 37 = b2
b1 -b2 = 10000
a = 15b1
a = 37b2
b1 = 37(b2)/15
2.4666666667(b2) - b2 ~ 10000
1.4666666667(b2) ~ 10000
b2 ~ 6818.2 gallons
b1 - 6818.2 ~ 10000
b1 ~ 16818.2
a / 15 ~ 16818.2 ... a ~ 252273
a / 37 ~ 6818.2 ... a ~ 252273.4 (differences due to rounding)
Of course you also need to figure in maintenance & repair costs ......
A / 15 = b1
A / 37 = b2
b1 -b2 = 10000
a = 15b1
a = 37b2
b1 = 37(b2)/15
2.4666666667(b2) - b2 ~ 10000
1.4666666667(b2) ~ 10000
b2 ~ 6818.2 gallons
b1 - 6818.2 ~ 10000
b1 ~ 16818.2
a / 15 ~ 16818.2 ... a ~ 252273
a / 37 ~ 6818.2 ... a ~ 252273.4 (differences due to rounding)
Of course you also need to figure in maintenance & repair costs ......
Wadded Beef
Banned
BAN!
a quick rough calculation shows he would save $1000-$1500 on gas every year. Let's average that at $1250. Also he get's 3 years warrany which saves on the cost of repairs (assume $500 per year for the truck). On the other hand insurance would be more expensive for the Accord, let's say $500 more per year. Down the road, after 3 years, the mainenance and repair costs of the Explorer (assuming he would keep it at least 5 more years, you said it's in "great" condtion after all) will always be higher then that of the Accord, let's say $250 more per year. But the accord will depreciate at a rate of $3000 per year for the first 5 years, while the explorer is already worthless (almost, so assume 0 depreciation). There is also the financing cost for the Accord, asumming a cheap load rate of around 3%, the financing cost would run $500/year for 5 years. Putting all this together, the grand total difference in cost of ownership is about $2500/year more for the accord. That's actually not a bad deal for driving a brand new car with bullet proof reliability compared to a 15 year old wreck.
And consider that after the next 5 years, he could keep the accord for maybe 5-10 more years, and have a much lower cost of ownership, while if kept the truck, he would need to get another car within those first 5 years, which would then increase his cost of ownership, most likely to at least the same point as the accord (and probably higher). So let's assume that after the next 5 years the cost of ownership of whatever vehice he gets is the same as that of the accord (which would be 5 years old). Therefore, the total difference in cost would come from these first 5 years, and would amount to 5x2500=12500. That's not really as disasterous as you put it initially, and in fact is quite reasonable for the privilege of driving a perfectly good new car vs an old wreck, even if it's not the most exciting car.
And consider that after the next 5 years, he could keep the accord for maybe 5-10 more years, and have a much lower cost of ownership, while if kept the truck, he would need to get another car within those first 5 years, which would then increase his cost of ownership, most likely to at least the same point as the accord (and probably higher). So let's assume that after the next 5 years the cost of ownership of whatever vehice he gets is the same as that of the accord (which would be 5 years old). Therefore, the total difference in cost would come from these first 5 years, and would amount to 5x2500=12500. That's not really as disasterous as you put it initially, and in fact is quite reasonable for the privilege of driving a perfectly good new car vs an old wreck, even if it's not the most exciting car.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
you don't understand. its the highest model of the accord. beyond ex... its essentially a luxury hybrid. 255hp.
and well..as for the explorer and whatever. who cares if he's not saving money, the accord is a sweet ride. newest safety features and what not. the explorer is probably an absolute turd compared. and the emissions....big difference.
gsellis
Diamond Member
Here is what you are missing. The tech is on the mark. The battery is expected to last 100,000 miles. If you drive 100,000 miles in less than 8 years, they would probably not consider that "normal driving conditions" (like living in Atlanta, where 30k a year is almost "normal"). Replacements are very expensive. I think the Prius battery pack is $7000. I thought I remember the Honda's being cheaper, but I think it was $5,000.
These are Lithium Ion batteries, recycling and disposal can be an issue. Bad charging can be a fire. 😉
And on battery tech catching up... In the 80's, they were saying that battery tech would be here by now to do electrics that could meet consumer requirements. Not at less than 100 miles on a charge! Autoweek had a quote in the 80's that still rings true. "There are liars, damn liars, and battery engineers." 😉
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