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[Amused]

Here:

http://www.consumerreports.org/static/0312mad0.html

"Cooking meat until it's well done will protect against bacteria but not infectious prions, which are so highly resistant to heat they can't be cooked out."

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
From my understanding, mad cow is passed through uncooked/rare beef.

Your understanding is incorrect.

I rarely agree with Amused (bad pun intended). However, Amused is mostly correct here. I'm not sure that I agree with much of the mad cow propaganda yet (I'm waiting for more evidence), however I'll regurgitate the best guess that scientists have so far:

Mad cow disease is caused by a protein that is folded in the wrong way (a so called prion). This protein structure encourages nearby normal proteins to also misfold. The result is a bunch of proteins that do not function the way they are supposed to function.

If that is correct, then mad cow disease is not a bacteria or a virus. Things that kill bacteria and virii don't necessarilly damage proteins. Heat is one example. ~150°F is enough to kill most bacteria. However proteins aren't denatured (unfolded) until ~200°F to 250°F. And at the lower temperatures (near 200°F), it takes quite a long time to unfold proteins. So basically, we'd have to cook meat to temperatures well above typical doneness levels to distroy the mad cow prion. The temperatures needed (~250°F) would evaporate virtually all water content and thus the meat would be dry and horrible tasting.

Ok, where did you get this information from? I thought mad cow was a virus that ate microscopic holes in your brain, hence the reason why you would eventually go "mad". I think the scientific term was "Spongiform virus". A 28 yr old accountant died from it in NJ a couple years ago, allegedly from eating rare beef. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's never been described as a virus.

You know, everything you ever wanted to know is a google search away.

So I guess it was related to "prions" and CJD after all.

Link.

Link to the story, in depth.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Amused
You know, everything you ever wanted to know is a google search away.

I usually hate the google it answers (since I always google before asking questions and thus the google it answers are a waste of my time). But in this case, I agree. Google prion, and the first page of results were full of useful descriptions.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
From my understanding, mad cow is passed through uncooked/rare beef.

Your understanding is incorrect.

I rarely agree with Amused (bad pun intended). However, Amused is mostly correct here. I'm not sure that I agree with much of the mad cow propaganda yet (I'm waiting for more evidence), however I'll regurgitate the best guess that scientists have so far:

Mad cow disease is caused by a protein that is folded in the wrong way (a so called prion). This protein structure encourages nearby normal proteins to also misfold. The result is a bunch of proteins that do not function the way they are supposed to function.

If that is correct, then mad cow disease is not a bacteria or a virus. Things that kill bacteria and virii don't necessarilly damage proteins. Heat is one example. ~150°F is enough to kill most bacteria. However proteins aren't denatured (unfolded) until ~200°F to 250°F. And at the lower temperatures (near 200°F), it takes quite a long time to unfold proteins. So basically, we'd have to cook meat to temperatures well above typical doneness levels to distroy the mad cow prion. The temperatures needed (~250°F) would evaporate virtually all water content and thus the meat would be dry and horrible tasting.

Ok, where did you get this information from? I thought mad cow was a virus that ate microscopic holes in your brain, hence the reason why you would eventually go "mad". I think the scientific term was "Spongiform virus". A 28 yr old accountant died from it in NJ a couple years ago, allegedly from eating rare beef. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's never been described as a virus.

You know, everything you ever wanted to know is a google search away.

So I guess it was related to "prions" and CJD after all.

Link.

Link to the story, in depth.

I forgot to tell you to be VERY careful of what you use as a source. "Organic consumers" is not a reliable source.

Try the CDC or other medically recognized source for your info. Otherwise you'll read a LOT of FUD and very little real info.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So now if you eat a steak medium rare, you have to worry about mad cow. If you get it charred, you'll get cancer. Don't eat steak!!!!!! lmao

How it's cooked matters not according to the medical community when it comes to Mad Cow (I am skeptical that it is even passed to humans).

According to them a burnt steak can pass it just as easily as a raw one, because cooking does not kill the "proteins" that supposedly cause it.

I just finished a case study of variant CJD, and there is strong evidence that BSE is the cause of vCJD. I can send you a synopsis if you're interested.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
From my understanding, mad cow is passed through uncooked/rare beef.

Your understanding is incorrect.

I rarely agree with Amused (bad pun intended). However, Amused is mostly correct here. I'm not sure that I agree with much of the mad cow propaganda yet (I'm waiting for more evidence), however I'll regurgitate the best guess that scientists have so far:

Mad cow disease is caused by a protein that is folded in the wrong way (a so called prion). This protein structure encourages nearby normal proteins to also misfold. The result is a bunch of proteins that do not function the way they are supposed to function.

If that is correct, then mad cow disease is not a bacteria or a virus. Things that kill bacteria and virii don't necessarilly damage proteins. Heat is one example. ~150°F is enough to kill most bacteria. However proteins aren't denatured (unfolded) until ~200°F to 250°F. And at the lower temperatures (near 200°F), it takes quite a long time to unfold proteins. So basically, we'd have to cook meat to temperatures well above typical doneness levels to distroy the mad cow prion. The temperatures needed (~250°F) would evaporate virtually all water content and thus the meat would be dry and horrible tasting.

Ok, where did you get this information from? I thought mad cow was a virus that ate microscopic holes in your brain, hence the reason why you would eventually go "mad". I think the scientific term was "Spongiform virus". A 28 yr old accountant died from it in NJ a couple years ago, allegedly from eating rare beef. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's never been described as a virus.

You know, everything you ever wanted to know is a google search away.

So I guess it was related to "prions" and CJD after all.

Link.

Link to the story, in depth.

I forgot to tell you to be VERY careful of what you use as a source. "Organic consumers" is not a reliable source.

Try the CDC or other medically recognized source for your info. Otherwise you'll read a LOT of FUD and very little real info.

The editorial from organicconsumers isn't biased, it just tells the story about how a friend did the research and linked to where the bad meat was consumed. It's not trying to sway you to never eat meat again
:roll:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So now if you eat a steak medium rare, you have to worry about mad cow. If you get it charred, you'll get cancer. Don't eat steak!!!!!! lmao

How it's cooked matters not according to the medical community when it comes to Mad Cow (I am skeptical that it is even passed to humans).

According to them a burnt steak can pass it just as easily as a raw one, because cooking does not kill the "proteins" that supposedly cause it.

I just finished a case study of variant CJD, and there is strong evidence that BSE is the cause of vCJD. I can send you a synopsis if you're interested.

Sure, send it on over

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: maziwanka
it was known that charring is not good for you. however, i do agree that the search for all things that cause cancer is getting out of hand.

Anyone that cooks meats until well done (i.e. burnt to a tasteless smoldering cinder) deserves whatever they get.

:frown:

No shit. Might as well serve them an old shoe.

So red meat is "in" again? Whoohoo!!

 

[jjones]

You can pry my grill from my cold, dead, cancerous hands.

 

[Anonemous]

too much of anything is bad for you and will cause cancer. It's normal since the odds of your cells malfunctioning and causing cancer increases as you get older.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: lozina
Basically don't burn your meat when you grill and if you do just try to scrape off the black charred parts

BTW when they say Hepatitis does that include cold sores? I forget if thst is Hepatitis C or what, I just know it's a form of Hepatitis

lol Herpes you tard... not hepatitus =P

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: jpark932

Originally posted by: maziwanka
it was known that charring is not good for you. however, i do agree that the search for all things that cause cancer is getting out of hand.

i've always tried to tell people that charring wasn't good for them, but they never believed me.

who cares if it's good for them or not?

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Who knows what to believe, smoking can cause cancer but I'm sure everyone knows at least one old person who smokes 12 packs a day and has never had major problems.

Only 1/3 of smokers ever develop a smoking related disease (this includes, but is not limited to various cancers).

I'd like to see that proven with statistical data.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Who knows what to believe, smoking can cause cancer but I'm sure everyone knows at least one old person who smokes 12 packs a day and has never had major problems.

Only 1/3 of smokers ever develop a smoking related disease (this includes, but is not limited to various cancers).

I'd like to see that proven with statistical data.

Not only have the latest anti-smoking ads stated that "tobacco is the only product that kills one out of every three customers" it has been published elsewhere, as well.

Here is an article addressing that stat:

http://slate.msn.com/id/110152/

The average smoker has a 33% chance. The lifetime smoker has a 40-50% chance.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Who knows what to believe, smoking can cause cancer but I'm sure everyone knows at least one old person who smokes 12 packs a day and has never had major problems.

Only 1/3 of smokers ever develop a smoking related disease (this includes, but is not limited to various cancers).

I'd like to see that proven with statistical data.

Not only have the latest anti-smoking ads stated that "tobacco is the only product that kills one out of every three customers" it has been published elsewhere, as well.

Here is an article addressing that stat:

http://slate.msn.com/id/110152/

1 in 3 are killed by tobacco, I would think a great deal more than that developed somking related deseases and where killed by other means though. I know a lot of people who've died from "natural causes" that have had multiple surgerys/treatments to fight smoking related problems.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Who knows what to believe, smoking can cause cancer but I'm sure everyone knows at least one old person who smokes 12 packs a day and has never had major problems.

Only 1/3 of smokers ever develop a smoking related disease (this includes, but is not limited to various cancers).

I'd like to see that proven with statistical data.

Not only have the latest anti-smoking ads stated that "tobacco is the only product that kills one out of every three customers" it has been published elsewhere, as well.

Here is an article addressing that stat:

http://slate.msn.com/id/110152/

1 in 3 are killed by tobacco, I would think a great deal more than that developed somking related deseases and where killed by other means though. I know a lot of people who've died from "natural causes" that have had multiple surgerys/treatments to fight smoking related problems.

So because you choose to believe the number is higher, it is?

 

[psteng19]

We all have cancer.
It's just a matter of whether our cancers kill us before any other ailment does (including natural causes).

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
1 in 3 are killed by tobacco, I would think a great deal more than that developed somking related deseases and where killed by other means though. I know a lot of people who've died from "natural causes" that have had multiple surgerys/treatments to fight smoking related problems.

You two could play that game forever. The numbers I've seen show ~10% of smokers get lung cancer, and ~30% die from some form of disease directly linked to smoking. But I guess you are right, ~100% of smokers have some effect - increased coughing for example. Where do you draw the line? If you have a bad heart and die in a car accident, does it matter that you may have had a heart attack in 2 years? We could say that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.