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This is why we NEED a paper trail.

techs

techs

Lifer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061120/ap_on_el_ho/florida_election

State officials Monday certified Republican Vern Buchanan won the House seat being vacated by Republican Rep. Katherine Harris (news, bio, voting record), though the loser immediately sued for a new election, arguing that touch-screen voting machines had malfunctioned.

Democrat Christine Jennings contested her 369-vote loss in the 13th District, asking a judge to order a new election because of problems in Sarasota County, where more than 17,000 voters who cast ballots in other races Nov. 7 failed to vote in the congressional contest.

That rate is nearly six times higher than in the other counties in the congressional district or on Sarasota's paper absentee ballots, Jennings alleges in her legal challenge. Though she lost in the other four counties in the district, Jennings did well in Sarasota County, winning there by a 6 percentage point margin.

Jennings' lawyer, Kendall Coffey, said the "statistical evidence is based on numbers that cannot be seriously questioned." He said there were also eyewitness accounts of voting problems.


Who knows what really happened. But when 17,000 voters don't have votes recorded for one specific race and the average is only one-sixth of that, it certainly gives the appearance of a problem. ESPECIALLY when the paper absentee ballots showed a normal amount of people not voting for that one specific race.
Yet with no paper trail how can we be sure?
 
Originally posted by: episodic
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You need a hobby.
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Actually he is right. Too many people are sticking their heads in the sand on this.
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I'm not saying it's not a problem or that I like the digital machines (I don't). But this is his eleventybillionth thread on the subject. We don't need another thread on paperless balloting.

techs... take a hint from Dave and make one thread... update it endlessly and constantly change the thread title to match your mood for the day. Thank you.
 
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061120/ap_on_el_ho/florida_election

State officials Monday certified Republican Vern Buchanan won the House seat being vacated by Republican Rep. Katherine Harris, though the loser immediately sued for a new election, arguing that touch-screen voting machines had malfunctioned.
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Katherine Harris complaining about malfunctioning machines!!!! :shocked:

Priceless!!! :laugh:
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She is not complaining.

Cliffs...

Harris did not run for re-election of seat, she ran for Senate
Buchanan a Republican won the election
Democrat lost.
Democrat is complaining and suing for a new election.

 
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061120/ap_on_el_ho/florida_election

State officials Monday certified Republican Vern Buchanan won the House seat being vacated by Republican Rep. Katherine Harris, though the loser immediately sued for a new election, arguing that touch-screen voting machines had malfunctioned.
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Katherine Harris complaining about malfunctioning machines!!!! :shocked:

Priceless!!! :laugh:
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Talk about only seeing what you want to see.....

 
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061120/ap_on_el_ho/florida_election

State officials Monday certified Republican Vern Buchanan won the House seat being vacated by Republican Rep. Katherine Harris, though the loser immediately sued for a new election, arguing that touch-screen voting machines had malfunctioned.
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Katherine Harris complaining about malfunctioning machines!!!! :shocked:

Priceless!!! :laugh:
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Talk about only seeing what you want to see.....
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karl rove took that cow and milked it dry with good effect. groups like the swiftboat vetrans for truth would not be able to exist without that contagious affliction you just described.

*this comment is not specifically directed at groundedsailor*
 
Florida should lose its' State status and become a Territory. It seems incapable of getting simple tasks completed accurately.
 
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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Because the Democrat obviously got screwed there.

Jennings obviously didn't buy somebody off enough compared to the Republican.
 
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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Because Democrats are 100 percent honest and would never try anything like that. Republicans are the only ones that use dirty political tricks.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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Because the Democrat obviously got screwed there.

Jennings obviously didn't buy somebody off enough compared to the Republican.
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Naturally...now why didn't I think of that? I really wouldn't mind a loser asking for a recount, especially when the ballot is close, but why make accusations and excuses?

 
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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Because Democrats are 100 percent honest and would never try anything like that. Republicans are the only ones that use dirty political tricks.
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Without a smiley, I have to assume that you are serious. If so, you really have a distorted view of reality.

 
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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Because Democrats are 100 percent honest and would never try anything like that. Republicans are the only ones that use dirty political tricks.
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Without a smiley, I have to assume that you are serious. If so, you really have a distorted view of reality.
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Check my post history, I am not as blindly retarded as some of the liberal shills here, it was a joke.

 
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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Because Democrats are 100 percent honest and would never try anything like that. Republicans are the only ones that use dirty political tricks.
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Without a smiley, I have to assume that you are serious. If so, you really have a distorted view of reality.
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Check my post history, I am not as blindly retarded as some of the liberal shills here, it was a joke.
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Thanks for the explaination. I suspected as much, because most of the Democrats wouldn't have said anything so blatantly wrong, but after talking with some of them, I couldn't be sure.

I don't care much for smilies myself, but I will use one when I know that it's absolutely necessary.

 
If there is a descrepency of some sort with the voting then "LOGICALLY" it should be investigated right?

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I'm on the fence on this issue--the issue of problems with electronic voting. It seems both parties have enough power to push for fair elections (at least fair for the two major parties). But partisan members (Katherine Harris, The Florida court, and SCOTUS in 2004, for example) have significant authority over the electoral process. Paper trail is really the only way to verify, but who is doing anything about it? The DNC or RNC?
 
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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i think it has something to do with the idea that a victim will always cry out for justice while the perpetrator of the crime will always try to ignore the accusation and hide and divert attention away from his dirty deeds.

you know, just like how bush pathetically tried to hide and divert attention away from the fact that he had a working relationship with jack abramoff, and how the repubs stayed mum on trying to explain why there were so many significant atypical and anomalous facts and stats found in the 2000 florida and 2004 ohio voting results.

 
What do you expect from an election in Florida. Their standard proceedure is for election officials to determine who they want to win, and then, put in the fix to make sure the tally comes out the way they want it.

That's how we got stuck with Bushwhacko the first time. Nothing's changed. Diebold just made it easier than having to go to the Supreme Court. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
What do you expect from an election in Florida. Their standard proceedure is for election officials to determine who they want to win, and then, put in the fix to make sure the tally comes out the way they want it.

That's how we got stuck with Bushwhacko the first time. Nothing's changed. Diebold just made it easier than having to go to the Supreme Court. 😛
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You are just as bad as the Republicans that blame everything on Clinton. You just can't let it go can you?

 
Originally posted by: tweaker2
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Why is it that everytime that you hear a complaint about the ballots, it's always a Democrat?
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i think it has something to do with the idea that a victim will always cry out for justice while the perpetrator of the crime will always try to ignore the accusation and hide and divert attention away from his dirty deeds.
Yes, and the Democrats love playing the part of the victim.
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you know, just like how bush pathetically tried to hide and divert attention away from the fact that he had a working relationship with jack abramoff, and how the repubs stayed mum on trying to explain why there were so many significant atypical and anomalous facts and stats found in the 2000 florida and 2004 ohio voting results.
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I knew that you would explain this mystery. But then, how do you account for the fact that all of those defective ballots only effected the Democrats? And, how do you explain the fact that legally placed absentee ballots, which were primarily Republican, were thrown out of the count? Since the Democrats were in charge of the balloting system, it all seems very mysterious.

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Originally posted by: JD50
You are just as bad as the Republicans that blame everything on Clinton. You just can't let it go can you?
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Show me where Florida has fixed their election system, and I'll let that go. Show me one year where Diebold voting machines haven't screwed up in at least one election, and I'll let that go, too.

Meanwhile, we've had report after report, year after year, that Diebold machines can be hacked, and we're stuck with the results because the damned things aren't secure, and they don't provide an unalterable audit trail.

I don't know about you, but I take secure elections pretty seriously.
 
Harvey,

Should we then return to paper ballots, like we had prior to the 2000 vote...which the Democrats complained about also? Or do you have a better idea?
 
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