This is why the Democrats cannot - will not - "negotiate"

[kage69]

You are right, they can get a smaller government in much the same way you can get a smaller car by driving it into a wall.

Poetry.

 

[ivwshane]

Oh he's right on that part, of course so was Obama when he was saying it while getting elected to his 2nd term.

Exactly. And it's what Obama continues to say now. Raise the debt ceiling, pass the CR, and he will be happy to talk about spending cuts and revenue increases, including entitlement reforms.

Obama is really like the perfect conservative president (real conservative not just one in name only), I don't know what "real" republicans don't like him more.

 

[kage69]

We can talk to the North Koreans during a war, we can talk to the Vietcong during a war, but Obama won't talk to the elected representatives of half the country.

It always makes me smile to come in here and see, pretty much verbatim, what I have heard recently on talk radio. Really underscores the appropriateness of the term "echo chamber."

Love how lame that question is too, it completely skirts the issue of GOP action (or lack there of) as a root cause of this situation and looming crisis. How convenient. I guess this is where Orange republicans wish they hadn't been making a show of conducting 40 PR stunts to protest the ACA. Ha!

I don't like Harry Reid all that much (he gets props for knowing how to box in my book) but I can't seem to locate any blame for him in not wanting to "negotiate" GOP style. For people who rebuff repeated attempts to work across the isle, it's a little odd to be acting like you're the stand up victim in all of this, particularly if threats are involved.

I do find the mention of North Korea a little ironic however, given the rank and file nature with which many GOP supporters seem to run with those talking points. It's almost parade level synchronicity sometimes. Ok, maybe not that good, but impressive nonetheless. Like with the 'Obama threw _______ under the bus!,' that one still cracks me up. Before it was issued to the talking heads you almost never heard that phrase in the media. Then, overnight! BAM! Scanning the news throughout the day you'd come across that phrase a dozen times or more.

If we throw you a cracker, will you stop squawking?



Edit: Ugh. I'm really sorry. I was wrong. I meant 46 PR stunts.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This is too awesome not to post all over the place:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...ment-shutdown-logic-to-the-baseball-playoffs/

 

[monovillage]

<snip bullshit>

Love how lame that question is too, it completely skirts the issue of GOP action (or lack there of) as a root cause of this situation and looming crisis. How convenient. I guess this is where Orange republicans wish they hadn't been making a show of conducting 40 PR stunts to protest the ACA. Ha!

I don't like Harry Reid all that much (he gets props for knowing how to box in my book) but I can't seem to locate any blame for him in not wanting to "negotiate" GOP style. For people who rebuff repeated attempts to work across the isle, it's a little odd to be acting like you're the stand up victim in all of this, particularly if threats are involved.

I do find the mention of North Korea a little ironic however,
<snip bullshit>

What's the answer? Why can't/won't/doesn't Obama sit down and discuss solutions with the Republicans?

 

[cubby1223]

Exactly. And it's what Obama continues to say now. Raise the debt ceiling, pass the CR, and he will be happy to talk about spending cuts and revenue increases, including entitlement reforms.

Obama is really like the perfect conservative president (real conservative not just one in name only), I don't know what "real" republicans don't like him more.

You might actually get along with other people better if you began living within the confines of reality. You probably would even enjoy it.

 

[KlokWyze]

What's the answer? Why can't/won't/doesn't Obama sit down and discuss solutions with the Republicans?

Suicide bombers can't be reasoned with. The tactic of sacrificing federal worker's livelihood in a poorly reasoned political strategy is bizarrely horrible and the Dems are standing fast on that. Everyone but blind servants of the right can see that. What a stupid question.

 

[Spungo]

Exactly. And it's what Obama continues to say now. Raise the debt ceiling, pass the CR, and he will be happy to talk about spending cuts and revenue increases, including entitlement reforms.

Obama is really like the perfect conservative president (real conservative not just one in name only), I don't know what "real" republicans don't like him more.

I'm dead serious - it's because he's black. He took Romneycare to a national level, he expanded Bush's fucked up psychotic policies, he joked about murdering the Jonas brothers, he did a hard crackdown on medical marijuana, he cut taxes for most people, his spending policies broke the records previously set by Reagan and Bush, he has more corporate sponsors than any other president, his war on the middle class has been more successful than anyone could have predicted, and he has done the most to divide the country along racial lines. He said his son would look like Trayvon - a drug using kid who was kicked out of school twice for fighting. What was the name of that other douchebag who liked drugs and violence? Oh yeah..

 

[Jhhnn]

What's the answer? Why can't/won't/doesn't Obama sit down and discuss solutions with the Republicans?

We don't negotiate with Terrorists, remember?

 

[monovillage]

Suicide bombers can't be reasoned with. The tactic of sacrificing federal worker's livelihood in a poorly reasoned political strategy is bizarrely horrible and the Dems are standing fast on that. Everyone but blind servants of the right can see that. What a stupid question.

You can see why the liberal/progressive/Democrats whining cries about poor lil' Obama being compared to Hitler just makes me laugh.

 

[cubby1223]

We don't negotiate with Terrorists, remember?

That is offensive, you insensitive dinosaur.

The term is "Domestic Contingency Operation".

 

[Juddog]

You can see why the liberal/progressive/Democrats whining cries about poor lil' Obama being compared to Hitler just makes me laugh.

Whining? Hardly - more like making fun of idiots comparing Obama to Hitler, which pretty much shows that whoever did it is a complete retard, ie. Godwin's law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

 

[her209]

The GOP had their chance to strike down Obamacare (last presidential election) and FAILED. You lost the fight. Obamacare is the law of the land and it is here to stay until the Republicans can convince enough of the American people to vote for them in the next election cycles.

This childish attempt to subvert the law via shutdown will cost them dearly, and already is. The fact that you support such actions shows me you aren't really worth listening to.

Exactly. The Republicans put up such a piss poor candidate he lost. But what do you expect when the "best" guy has to beat Michelle "Batshit Crazy" Bachmann and Herman "9-9-9 Creepy Smile" Cain.

 

[Spungo]

Exactly. The Republicans put up such a piss poor candidate he lost. But what do you expect when the "best" guy has to beat Michelle "Batshit Crazy" Bachmann and Herman "9-9-9 Creepy Smile" Cain.

In addition to using the tax plan from SimCity, Cain also quoted Pokemon.

 

[glenn1]

We don't negotiate with Terrorists, remember?

If it is the President's judgement that default is preferrable to "negotiating" then who am I to question him? I guess he agrees as well that the debt ceiling expiration is the preferrable option. That's how he played sequester, remember?

 

[sm625]

When millions of poor and middle class young potential democratic voters get hit with a frickin outrageous fine for not purchasing so called "health insurance" (from a government-backed cartel) they are going to be outraged. It is a good political play for republicans to be there saying this is why we were so obstinate. They will gain a lot of voters. All in all both parties rip off america just about equally to make the top 1% richer, but this one is a political win for republicans.

 

[werepossum]

The Dems have promised the world: "free" healthcare (what people thought Obamacare would be), welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing.....you name it, they'll promise it and deliver......and then use it as a threat, "If you don't vote for us, you'll have this taken away from you!!" They've labeled it "Social Welfare" (aka, "Take care of the disadvantaged"), but all they've accomplished is to take a class of people, and place them into socio-economic slavery, where now, after generations have taken advantage of the government teat, and lost any longing for anything else, they can no longer survive without it. "Social Welfare" has replaced whips and chains with checks and debit cards, and bought the votes they need, to stay in power.

The Repubs, on the other hand, continue to preach the "less is more" doctrine, and gain support by cutting taxes. The only problem is, they've given concession after concession, and allowed spending to increase while money coming in has decreased, that they have actually helped the Dems spend this country into oblivion.

BOTH parties, meanwhile, have gone on a generational spending spree, and robbed both Social Security and Medicare accounts, bleeding them dry, so they're no longer self-sustaining, as they were meant to be. Which has now added to the debt burden, as they continue to make promises they can't keep, believing that we can't be out of money, because we still have checks in the checkbook!!

And BOTH are wrong. I'm no economics whiz-kid, but I know that the ONLY way this country is going to get out of this downward spiral we're in, is to DECREASE SPENDING AND INCREASE TAXES!!

But woe unto the first politician who preaches the new gospel of economics, as every American will rise up, and shout to the heavens, "HELL NO!! I DESERVE THAT ENTITLEMENT, AND YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME!!!" The welfare recipients that need their monthly check to survive will stand shoulder to shoulder with the retirees that depend on Social Security to survive (NEITHER of which was designed to be for long-term survival, but, instead, for short-term assistance), and will tear down the fool who would dare speak the blasphemy of common fiscal sense!!

And so we find ourselves turning into a giant version of what we've already seen happening in Europe. Afraid to admit the truth, we'll continue borrowing until US Treasury bonds are considered JUNK status, and no one will allow us to borrow any more.

And some day, someone will read of the giant colossus, the United States of America, which tumbled down into financial oblivion.

Very well said, and spot-on.

 

[Juddog]

Exactly. And it's what Obama continues to say now. Raise the debt ceiling, pass the CR, and he will be happy to talk about spending cuts and revenue increases, including entitlement reforms.

Obama is really like the perfect conservative president (real conservative not just one in name only), I don't know what "real" republicans don't like him more.

Because he's a black Kenyan extremist socialist Muslim, of course.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The Dems have promised the world: "free" healthcare (what people thought Obamacare would be), welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing.....you name it, they'll promise it and deliver......and then use it as a threat, "If you don't vote for us, you'll have this taken away from you!!" They've labeled it "Social Welfare" (aka, "Take care of the disadvantaged"), but all they've accomplished is to take a class of people, and place them into socio-economic slavery, where now, after generations have taken advantage of the government teat, and lost any longing for anything else, they can no longer survive without it. "Social Welfare" has replaced whips and chains with checks and debit cards, and bought the votes they need, to stay in power.

The Repubs, on the other hand, continue to preach the "less is more" doctrine, and gain support by cutting taxes. The only problem is, they've given concession after concession, and allowed spending to increase while money coming in has decreased, that they have actually helped the Dems spend this country into oblivion.

BOTH parties, meanwhile, have gone on a generational spending spree, and robbed both Social Security and Medicare accounts, bleeding them dry, so they're no longer self-sustaining, as they were meant to be. Which has now added to the debt burden, as they continue to make promises they can't keep, believing that we can't be out of money, because we still have checks in the checkbook!!

And BOTH are wrong. I'm no economics whiz-kid, but I know that the ONLY way this country is going to get out of this downward spiral we're in, is to DECREASE SPENDING AND INCREASE TAXES!!

But woe unto the first politician who preaches the new gospel of economics, as every American will rise up, and shout to the heavens, "HELL NO!! I DESERVE THAT ENTITLEMENT, AND YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME!!!" The welfare recipients that need their monthly check to survive will stand shoulder to shoulder with the retirees that depend on Social Security to survive (NEITHER of which was designed to be for long-term survival, but, instead, for short-term assistance), and will tear down the fool who would dare speak the blasphemy of common fiscal sense!!

And so we find ourselves turning into a giant version of what we've already seen happening in Europe. Afraid to admit the truth, we'll continue borrowing until US Treasury bonds are considered JUNK status, and no one will allow us to borrow any more.

And some day, someone will read of the giant colossus, the United States of America, which tumbled down into financial oblivion.

Very well said, and spot-on.

I also concur and until there's a viable 3rd party this will never end.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Obama is really like the perfect conservative president (real conservative not just one in name only), I don't know what "real" republicans don't like him more.

Obama is conservative when viewing him from a far left POV, he's still on the left to moderate conservatives.

 

[werepossum]

I also concur and until there's a viable 3rd party this will never end.

I don't think it will end with a viable third party because we elect these people. If a candidate says he will raise our taxes, Republicans won't vote for him. If a candidate says he will cut spending, Democrats won't vote for him. Given that most states and especially most districts are fairly safe one way or another, I see no way for any candidate to save us from ourselves.

 

[dainthomas]

When millions of poor and middle class young potential democratic voters get hit with a frickin outrageous fine for not purchasing so called "health insurance" (from a government-backed cartel) they are going to be outraged. It is a good political play for republicans to be there saying this is why we were so obstinate. They will gain a lot of voters. All in all both parties rip off america just about equally to make the top 1% richer, but this one is a political win for republicans.

If it will so obviously fail, why can't Republicans just let that happen then sweep the elections and get rid of it the right way? It makes no sense. The only reason they have to be doing this is they're deathly afraid it will succeed and this is their last fleeting chance to do anything about it.

 

[glenn1]

Teahadists won't be happy until they shut down the govt, default on debt maintenance. If not now, then at any opportunity they can find in the future. It's inevitable.

Boehner can prevent it, simply by bringing appropriate measures to a vote.

Not that I like it, but it's time to just let 'em do it, then make 'em wear it to the 2014 election & beyond. It won't look good on anyone, and the voting public is already well aware of just how trumped up this "crisis" really is and who's responsible.

If they want an albatross hung around their necks, put it on 'em.

Even the credit rating agencies know that default on debt maintenance isn't happening. Unless of course the Obama administration is too incompetent to even handle that, which isn't beyond contemplation.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mon...eep-paying-interest-without-debt-limit-boost-

 

[Juddog]

If it will so obviously fail, why can't Republicans just let that happen then sweep the elections and get rid of it the right way? It makes no sense. The only reason they have to be doing this is they're deathly afraid it will succeed and this is their last fleeting chance to do anything about it.

They are trying every last trick to make it fail, just so that they can say "see - I told you it would fail!" to gain more votes in the next election cycle, rather than fixing the ACA and making it better, which would actually be productive.

 

[shadow9d9]

Sounds good in theory but presumes Republicans will avoid letting the debt ceiling expire. The tea party and something like 43% of Americans are willing to do exactly that and implement the cuts that would require. 16% cut in mandatory spending is OK with me and it seems lots of other people.

43% of Americans aren't even Republican, let alone support this nonsense.

Cut 80% of the military if you care about money... Don't spend $1 trillion+ on 2 endless occupations while crying about healthcare for 40 million americans that will cost the same over a ten year period of time!