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[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As far as I'm concerned, Bush's expressed and actual withdrawal of diplomatic initiative in Israel is directly at cause for the current wave of violence. He didn't want to look like a Clinton clone and by doing so he created a titanic mess. Gore, the person who actually won the election, would not have made that mistake, a gross and huge blunder. The fact that Bush was forced to get involved is merely illustrative of how absurd his approach was to begin with. I have never heard an admission of this error. What you admit is an obvious fact that we will have to get involved was as obvious then as now. We learned from 9/11 what people with information have known for years. We used the Afghans for our purposes against the Soviets and when they fell we abandoned the Afghans to their own devices in the midst of their ruin. That opened the door for the Taliban and terrorist training camps. As long as we deal with one crisis at a time and never look to solve root problems, our lives will be full of terrible surprises. The issue I think Perknose raises is that Bush's early policy was a big mistake and expensive. Nobody cares if he broke a campaign promise. The point is that the promise was misguided to begin with.

The story given by optoman is a breath of fresh air and completely at odds with a lot of our history. Three cheers to whomever is responsible.
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That may be true, but you're presenting all of it as factual when it is not.

 

[Moonbeam]

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As far as I'm concerned, Bush's expressed and actual withdrawal of diplomatic initiative in Israel is directly at cause for the current wave of violence. He didn't want to look like a Clinton clone and by doing so he created a titanic mess. Gore, the person who actually won the election, would not have made that mistake, a gross and huge blunder. The fact that Bush was forced to get involved is merely illustrative of how absurd his approach was to begin with. I have never heard an admission of this error. What you admit is an obvious fact that we will have to get involved was as obvious then as now. We learned from 9/11 what people with information have known for years. We used the Afghans for our purposes against the Soviets and when they fell we abandoned the Afghans to their own devices in the midst of their ruin. That opened the door for the Taliban and terrorist training camps. As long as we deal with one crisis at a time and never look to solve root problems, our lives will be full of terrible surprises. The issue I think Perknose raises is that Bush's early policy was a big mistake and expensive. Nobody cares if he broke a campaign promise. The point is that the promise was misguided to begin with.

The story given by optoman is a breath of fresh air and completely at odds with a lot of our history. Three cheers to whomever is responsible.
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Anything factual above is not altered either by the claim that it is presented as fact or by anything above that is not factual, naturally with one exception.

 

[Dragnov]

They must of forgot about the increase in opium production.

Afghanistan, Iraq, the Persian Gulf... hello Iran!

 

[Zipp]

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