Ichinisan
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I agree. The president dropped the ball. He (and the media) listened to what China was saying instead of watching what China was doing. They were fools who allowed themselves to be fooled.
UNCjigga
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And this fucking loon right here takes the cake. He's wrapped up 5G (because of course) and claims it's causing it and it is a depopulation plan (and a fake pandemic, dunno how that works).
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British 5G towers are being set on fire because of coronavirus conspiracy theories
A growing disinformation campaign is targeting 5G in the UK
www.theverge.com
British 5G towers are being set on fire amid coronavirus conspiracy theories
5G is causing anarchy in the UK
Seriously, I can't believe you can't see the difference in the characterizations involved. And, clearly, the fucking President obviously had much better sources than the media if he'd listen to them. He'd obviously rather source Fox for everything. I mean, he was so worried about the impeachment hoax that he had to golf & rally yugely to take his mind off of it & didn't have the time to deal with this properly. It's the Democrats' fault for that. He always knew it would be a pandemic, anyway, right?
Astoundingly dishonest, even from you.
A comprehensive timeline of the coronavirus pandemic at 1 year, from China's first case to the present
It's been a year since the first coronavirus case arose in China. More than 1.7 million people have died. Here's the full timeline.
www.businessinsider.com
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes:
British 5G towers are being set on fire because of coronavirus conspiracy theories
A growing disinformation campaign is targeting 5G in the UK
British 5G towers are being set on fire amid coronavirus conspiracy theories
5G is causing anarchy in the UK
Any crazy you can do we can do better
we can do crazy things crazier than you.
I'm not even sure what the politics of anti-5G conspiracy-theories are. Amanda Holden doesn't have any particular political stance, as far as I know, she's just a generic idiot.
CZroe
Lifer
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Astoundingly dishonest, even from you.
A comprehensive timeline of the coronavirus pandemic at 1 year, from China's first case to the present
It's been a year since the first coronavirus case arose in China. More than 1.7 million people have died. Here's the full timeline.
???
Sorry, I'm not following.
He attempted to excuse Trump by wrongfully accusing the Chinese of lack of transparency. The Taiwanese & the S Koreans had the same information & managed to act decisively to flatten the curve. Maybe that was because they hadn't disbanded their own version of the NSC pandemic team back in 2018. Maybe they didn't fuck around until Feb 27 to put Pence in charge, but now it's apparently Jared, God help us all. Plus, in the middle of it all he fired his chief of staff & brought in a new guy. And he's still trying to power bullshit his way through a deadly pandemic. It's what he's done his whole life & all he knows how to do-
Fanatical Meat
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Pipeline 1010
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THIS is what conspiracy theories cause. THIS RIGHT HERE. THIS is why the de-platforming of all conspiracy theorists is absolutely essential.
Prosecutors: Engineer deliberately ran train off tracks in attempt to smash the USNS Mercy
Federal prosecutors allege train engineer Eduardo Moreno, 44, of San Pedro intended to hit the ship, saying he thought it was "suspicious" and did not believe "the ship is what they say it's for.'"
Prosecutors: Engineer deliberately ran train off tracks in attempt to smash the USNS Mercy
An engineer deliberately ran a train off the tracks at high speed in an attempt to damage the USNS Mercy hospital ship, prosecutors say.abc7.com
Thanks for this. I love that we are intellectual enough to realize that a single crazy person doing a one-off wild-ass thing should be the representative of a massive portion of our population as long as we disagree with them. We gotta clamp the fuck down on people's speech for sure. As long as our side has determined it is untruth.
Only....what if we create a system where a political group gains the power to regulate what is truth or not and then the other team wins the election. Every time we propose giving a "team" extra power over us, we need to consider how we would feel if the other team could wield that power. That's exactly why we shouldn't be too eager to give politicians power over us unless we're cool with the party of Trump wielding that power.
Excuse me. How the hell does:
Turn into:
It's not enough to just be against Trump. You can say "he dropped the ball" and that "he was a fool" but if you don't say it with fire in your belly and hatred in your eyes, or you temper your criticism, or also level similar criticisms towards left leaning institutions, or insert any sort of nuance whatsoever you're suddenly "excusing" him.
This is unhealthy. It's unproductive. It's intolerant. It's essentially religious fundamentalism, minus a deity. It turns people against you and your causes. And it does nothing but help Trump. Or, to put it simply, it's deranged. This is what TDS looks like. It's not just a buzzword. Although it's sometimes misapplied, it's a perfectly descriptor for this right here.
(And yes, totalitarian China has obviously been less than transparent, even persecuting their own health workers who tried to sound the alarm during the early phases of the outbreak.)
Turn into:
It's not enough to just be against Trump. You can say "he dropped the ball" and that "he was a fool" but if you don't say it with fire in your belly and hatred in your eyes, or you temper your criticism, or also level similar criticisms towards left leaning institutions, or insert any sort of nuance whatsoever you're suddenly "excusing" him.
This is unhealthy. It's unproductive. It's intolerant. It's essentially religious fundamentalism, minus a deity. It turns people against you and your causes. And it does nothing but help Trump. Or, to put it simply, it's deranged. This is what TDS looks like. It's not just a buzzword. Although it's sometimes misapplied, it's a perfectly descriptor for this right here.
(And yes, totalitarian China has obviously been less than transparent, even persecuting their own health workers who tried to sound the alarm during the early phases of the outbreak.)
UberNeuman
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No reason to go since I'm not a Trump supporter. Not like that matters of course. The response to telling a TDS sufferer that you're generally, but not totally against Trump is like what you would expect if you told an al-qaeda supporter that you mostly believe in Mohamed.
Ichinisan
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What are you saying was dishonest? What relevance does your link have?Astoundingly dishonest, even from you.
A comprehensive timeline of the coronavirus pandemic at 1 year, from China's first case to the present
It's been a year since the first coronavirus case arose in China. More than 1.7 million people have died. Here's the full timeline.
Seriously. WTF?
Ichinisan
Lifer
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I was "excusing" Trump somehow by calling him a fool?
EXACTLY! 100% THIS!The Taiwanese & the S Koreans had the same information & managed to act decisively to flatten the curve. Maybe that was because they hadn't disbanded their own version of the NSC pandemic team back in 2018. Maybe they didn't fuck around until Feb 27 to put Pence in charge, but now it's apparently Jared, God help us all. Plus, in the middle of it all he fired his chief of staff & brought in a new guy. And he's still trying to power bullshit his way through a deadly pandemic. It's what he's done his whole life & all he knows how to do-
So it didn't have anything to do with being fooled by the Chinese? Thank you for saying so.
There's a world of difference between being a fool & being fooled by Chinese chicanery that didn't happen.
Personally I find it tricky - but nonetheless necessary - to hold in mind two things simultaneously - that the Chinese regime is entirely untrustworthy and self-serving, and also that Trump, and the Western elites in general, have made a absolutely terrible job of responding to this crisis hitting the West. The former does not excuse the latter, but that doesn't stop one feeling angry with the CCP (or suspicious of the WHO's overly-close relationship with them). The WHO is a tricky one as well, I think it's clear there are divisions within that organisation. Partly they suck up too much to China, but at the same time they've correctly criticised some of the West's responses.
CZroe
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He attempted to excuse Trump by wrongfully accusing the Chinese of lack of transparency. The Taiwanese & the S Koreans had the same information & managed to act decisively to flatten the curve. Maybe that was because they hadn't disbanded their own version of the NSC pandemic team back in 2018. Maybe they didn't fuck around until Feb 27 to put Pence in charge, but now it's apparently Jared, God help us all. Plus, in the middle of it all he fired his chief of staff & brought in a new guy. And he's still trying to power bullshit his way through a deadly pandemic. It's what he's done his whole life & all he knows how to do-
He said that Trump and the media were repeating China and the WHO's BS. He wishes Trump reacted like Taiwan or South Korea and that is the basis of his criticism against Trump. Not sure how you can see this as a contradiction.
At least Trump restricted travel against China and the WHO's guidelines. I guess that kinda contradicts what Ichinisan was saying, though it kinda contradicts you too... hence my confusion about what contradiction your link was supposed to show.
Is it your position that the Chinese have been distributing accurate and timely information about infection and death rates for covid19?
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OK now. That's a very pretty strawman you've got there.
The title of the thread is
THIS is what right-wing conspiracy theories cause
It is not "this is what all right-wingers do." Or "This is what all conspiracy theorists do."
No, I said this is what they CAUSE.
This is the end result of ALL fucking conspiracy driven irrational and counter-factual fanaticism. Be it religious, or political. Eventually, a portion of the fanatics will go out and act according to their irrational beliefs and fears as though they are really being attacked.
The content of my post was this:
"THIS is what conspiracy theories cause. THIS RIGHT HERE. THIS is why the de-platforming of all conspiracy theorists is absolutely essential."
Notice I now left out "right-wing"? Now I include ALL conspiracies in my call for de-platforming.
How is intentionally spreading blatant misinformation that incites fear and panic NOT the same as yelling fire in a crowded theater?
At the VERY least, companies should be pressured by the consumers to de-platform all conspiracy theorists. That is NOT a violation of free speech as the 1st amendment does NOT guarantee you the right to a privately owned platform or venue for your speech.
So get all comfy humping your strawman. Let me know when you're ready to actually address the content of my fucking post.
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It's my position that that Trump tried to bullshit his way thru a deadly viral pandemic, heedless of the information at hand. The fact that other govts did much, much better with the same information reinforces that entirely. The fact that he disbanded the NSC pandemic response team back in 2018 is utterly damning, and damning of the whole GOP theory of governance. They set us up to be sucker punched both by the pandemic & the economic disaster now unfolding.
We can't change the Chinese. Maybe we can change ourselves for the better but we'll have to beat him & the GOP in Nov to do it.
Itt's understandable he'd try to politicize it, given that the vast, vast majority of conspiracy theorizing in America is right wing. For every left wing conspiracy theorist shut down by your proposal there would likely be a dozen on the right. It's a tough thing to accomplish, anyway, with the POTUS & sycophants spinning out new ones on the regular.
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