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This is what it is all about-sick conflict



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<< this is definetly not what the conflict is about, this is what the conflict has pushed people to do
http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_568481.html
da news story >>


No, this is what they chose to let the conflict do to them.

It takes a very special kind of person to teach their kids that suicide bombing and other forms of killing civilians are good things... >>


Is it a free choice to become a suicide bomber? sure, but its an act of despiration, nothing else, they have nothing to loose and when people are resulting a drastic action like that then there is something wrong with the life the people can live.
 
>Is it a free choice to become a suicide bomber? sure, but its an act of despiration, nothing else, they have nothing to loose and when people are resulting a drastic action like that then there is something wrong with the life the people can live>

agreed
 
It's not like they're standing in the middle of Jerusalem and they snap all of a sudden, grab the nearest suicide bomb, and just kill whoever happens to be there...

It obviously takes lots of deliberation, planning, work, etc.

[Edit] Therefore, the desperation thing doesn't really work. Furthermore, why civilians?
 
>It obviously takes lots of deliberation, planning, work, etc.

[Edit] Therefore, the desperation thing doesn't really work. Furthermore, why civilians? >>

also agreed
 


<< It's not like they're standing in the middle of Jerusalem and they snap all of a sudden, grab the nearest suicide bomb, and just kill whoever happens to be there...

It obviously takes lots of deliberation, planning, work, etc.

[Edit] Therefore, the desperation thing doesn't really work. Furthermore, why civilians? >>


what choice do they have? they are pushed further and further into despiration, sooner or later something irrational and stupid is bound to happen
 
>Hey! No fair!
She stole my Halloween costume idea!

Grrrrr, what am I going to wear now?????
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yeah,why dont make a joke out of everything.what have we as spectators to loose...
 


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<< It's not like they're standing in the middle of Jerusalem and they snap all of a sudden, grab the nearest suicide bomb, and just kill whoever happens to be there...

It obviously takes lots of deliberation, planning, work, etc.

[Edit] Therefore, the desperation thing doesn't really work. Furthermore, why civilians? >>


what choice do they have? they are pushed further and further into despiration, sooner or later something irrational and stupid is bound to happen >>


Bah. If it was me, I'd go after the IDF or (marginally ok) Sharon. Why civilians?
 


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<< It's not like they're standing in the middle of Jerusalem and they snap all of a sudden, grab the nearest suicide bomb, and just kill whoever happens to be there...

It obviously takes lots of deliberation, planning, work, etc.

[Edit] Therefore, the desperation thing doesn't really work. Furthermore, why civilians? >>


what choice do they have? they are pushed further and further into despiration, sooner or later something irrational and stupid is bound to happen >>


Bah. If it was me, I'd go after the IDF or (marginally ok) Sharon. Why civilians? >>


when people are pushed into a corner they do the stupidest things
 
Czar posted....
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Is it a free choice to become a suicide bomber? sure, but its an act of despiration, nothing else, they have nothing to loose and when people are resulting a drastic action like that then there is something wrong with the life the people can live.[/i] >>






They think they have nothing to loose because they are taught that from birth. So, if I felt I had nothing to lose and subsequently blew myself up along with a couple dozen schoolkids as an act of desparation, would anyone wring their hands over the plight I was "forced to live in".
 


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Is it a free choice to become a suicide bomber? sure, but its an act of despiration, nothing else, they have nothing to loose and when people are resulting a drastic action like that then there is something wrong with the life the people can live.[/i] >>



They think they have nothing to loose because they are taught that from birth. So, if I felt I had nothing to lose and subsequently blew myself up along with a couple dozen schoolkids as an act of desparation, would anyone wring their hands over the plight I was "forced to live in".[/i] >>


taught that from birth? why do you think they are taught that from birth then?
 
As much as I despise Sharon . . . you cannot defend teaching such hatred under any circumstances.

But I can say that the child may be quite right in the head. It is possible for her father to teach her to value family and faith in a greater cause. She will have a default belief that might does not make right . . . since Israel has the might but certainly is not right according to her perspective. On the flip side she is being taught that "the ends justify the means" by the suicide bombers, Arafat, and Sharon. She will believe in government by popular support albeit "voting" for Arafat is a bit of misnomer.

Unlike many people who post at ATOT she will probably come to understand that people are not all good or all bad. They may be encouraged to hate Israelis/Jews but when she matures she will learn that some Israelis are Arab or Christian and many disagree with the policies of their government. She will also learn the historical neglect and abuse that the people of Palestine have suffered due to their Arab brethren. She will see aid workers of every color and creed working side by side with Palestinians to rebuild what has been destroyed.

And in a perfect world maybe she will live to see Sharon and Arafat (in life or death) ultimately villified for crimes against humanity.

 
They are taught that to serve a political purpose. "Blame the Israeli. All evil in the world is due to the Jew. They are the infidel. Kill the infidel. Kill the Jew and get reward. Without Israel here, our lives would be perfect. Paradise is at hand. Kill the Jew." ad nauseum.

If the Israeli's packed their bags and left today the party on the west bank would be impressive. The next day there would only be one difference. Their lives would still suck only the jews wouldn't be around to lay it off on. They don't give 2 sh!ts about having a country. They want the Jews out. Give me the list of "pleasant with a nice lifestyle" lands in the Arab world where life doesn't suck and they have a border and what I will loosely call government.
 


<< As much as I despise Sharon . . . you cannot defend teaching such hatred under any circumstances.

But I can say that the child may be quite right in the head. It is possible for her father to teach her to value family and faith in a greater cause. She will have a default belief that might does not make right . . . since Israel has the might but certainly is not right according to her perspective. On the flip side she is being taught that "the ends justify the means" by the suicide bombers, Arafat, and Sharon. >>


Unfortunately, for at least a decent amount of time, she'll only receive one side of the story...


<< Unlike many people who post at ATOT she will probably come to understand that people are not all good or all bad. They may be encouraged to hate Israelis/Jews but when she matures she will learn that some Israelis are Arab or Christian and many disagree with the policies of their government. She will also learn the historical neglect and abuse that the people of Palestine have suffered due to their Arab brethren. She will see aid workers of every color and creed working side by side with Palestinians to rebuild what has been destroyed.

And in a perfect world maybe she will live to see Sharon and Arafat (in life or death) ultimately villified for crimes against humanity. >>


Very well said.

Though I hope her heart doesn't harden before any of that has a chance to happen 🙁
 
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