This is what fewer regulations looks like

[PokerGuy]

I imagine you have a list of specific regulations that can be eliminated without being detrimental to public health and/or safety.

No, why would I have that specific list? Are you confusing me with the next president or one of his appointees?

I really don't understand you. You appear giddy with the prospect that we open our corporations to pollute the water and air. Was this really where Trump got his support from.... by people upset that our water/air were too clean? That is a thing?

Not sure where you got that delusional idea. Saying there is a happy medium between overregulation and no regulation somehow sounds like "giddy with the prospect that we open our corporations to pollute the water and air" to you?

Don't get too excited though. You only got half of the the field covered, there is still NIMBYISM to overcome. That will require changes to the tort system to prevent the people directly harmed by the increased pollution from suing EVEN though the published science can prove the harm. I imagine that you are completely down with that as well and we all should expect and support a Trump assault on the tort system to fully allow corporations to pollute without consequence.

You said it correctly "I imagine". That's your imagination at work, no idea where that drivel comes from, it's certainly not something I'm looking for.

I just can't comprehend your mindset as you are not a corporate master. You want society and the environment harmed so corporate scum can make bigger profits? Why?

Can you point to where exactly I said I want society and the environment harmed?

 

[senseamp]

This is why I find it ironic that liberals are such proponents of free trade. Manufacturing processes and fossil fuels cause pollution. If you regulate them to be cleaner, the cost of goods go up. But if the cost of goods go up, the house of cards economic facade comes crashing down.
Can't have it both ways. All we did was outsource our pollution to Asia.

Please tell us which US state they device you typed this post on was made

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The initial premise is unsound. The quantity of words on documents does not make for good regulation any more than adding another line of code to software makes it self aware.

We could use an overhaul of the system with better and more timely regulations but that simply won't happen because it's hard.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Please tell us which US state they device you typed this post on was made

I know it was designed in California because the company that offers it is quite hypocritical and thinks by claiming American design that somehow compensates for the exploitation of those who make them. I also know that the worker who made it probably knows a coworker who threw himself off a building due to obscene working conditions.

I also know that I am a hypocrite for buying it knowing these things.

I equate it to blood diamonds.

 

[Jhhnn]

The initial premise is unsound. The quantity of words on documents does not make for good regulation any more than adding another line of code to software makes it self aware.

We could use an overhaul of the system with better and more timely regulations but that simply won't happen because it's hard.

It certainly won't happen with the agents of the Lootocracy running things. They never even see it from the boardrooms, the estates, the 5th Avenue apartments & the swank vacation destinations. Even though they own the place, they've never seen West Virginia, for example, nor do they care about what what happens there other than it being a source of income. They never have & they never will.

 

[FIVR]

I equate it to blood diamonds.

Ok, hypocrite.

 

[senseamp]

I know it was designed in California because the company that offers it is quite hypocritical and thinks by claiming American design that somehow compensates for the exploitation of those who make them. I also know that the worker who made it probably knows a coworker who threw himself off a building due to obscene working conditions.
I also know that I am a hypocrite for buying it knowing these things.
I equate it to blood diamonds.

And yet, you bought it. The free market has spoken. Designed in California, made in China! Nothing left for Trump trash states

 

[Starbuck1975]

And yet, you bought it. The free market has spoken. Designed in California, made in China! Nothing left for Trump trash states

I also know that were any smart phone provider to bring assembly back stateside, it would have me as a customer for life. Where I can, I try to buy American. I am actually saving money so my next car can be a Tesla because I respect what Elon Musk is doing.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Ok, hypocrite.

I conceded that I am a hypocrite. Thank you for being a good little parrot. Would you like a cracker? I have organic fair trade small batch whole grain ones. They are yummy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And yet, you bought it. The free market has spoken. Designed in California, made in China! Nothing left for Trump trash states

You too can be replaced. I should not be too smug.

 

[senseamp]

I also know that were any smart phone provider to bring assembly back stateside, it would have me as a customer for life.

Why? Phone assembly is a shitty job that would unnecessarily add cost to devices.

 

[senseamp]

You too can be replaced. I should not be too smug.

I fully expect the technology I work on to replace me eventually. Hopefully not before we have universal basic income

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No, why would I have that specific list? Are you confusing me with the next president or one of his appointees?

It seems kind of pointless to argue that we have too many regulations if you can't give any examples how they don't provide enough protection to offset their cost of implementation. Like, how do you even know there's a problem then?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Why? Phone assembly is a shitty job that would unnecessarily add cost to devices.

The cost of phones are artificially supressed due to outsourcing and loss leader subsidies by network providers to secure contracts. Sounds more like an industry ripe for disuption to challenge the existing monopolies

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I fully expect the technology I work on to replace me eventually. Hopefully not before we have universal basic income

But you don't want socialism and were against Bernie if I recall correctly. The chance of a universal basic income died with his loss.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

But you don't want socialism and were against Bernie if I recall correctly. The chance of a universal basic income died with his loss.

It's not dead, it's just not yet feasible. Did Finland even officially implement it yet?

 

[senseamp]

But you don't want socialism and were against Bernie if I recall correctly. The chance of a universal basic income died with his loss.

I don't want premature Socialism.

I think Socialism or even Communism will likely happen as result of technological advancement driven by Capitalism, if it's allowed to progress to its logical conclusion. Once robots and AI can do what we can do but cheaper, employment as a means of sustenance will end as a concept, and the political consequence of that will be Socialism. But we will get there through Capitalism as the driving force, not by bashing it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't want premature Socialism.

I think Socialism or even Communism will likely happen as result of technological advancement driven by Capitalism, if it's allowed to progress to its logical conclusion. Once robots and AI can do what we can do but cheaper, employment as a means of sustenance will end as a concept, and the political consequence of that will be Socialism. But we will get there through Capitalism as the driving force, not by bashing it.

Seems a bit naive, but you might be right. I think you are going to find that more and more power will become concentrated in fewer hands and and you won't be sharing any of it. Bernie never had a chance to implement anything but unlike any other candidate could have shown a way towards change, not make it himself.

Ah well that's how things tend to go, haves and haves not.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's not dead, it's just not yet feasible. Did Finland even officially implement it yet?

I don't believe it has but something like proper health care reform and universal income will most likely take decades to work out and put in place, maybe longer. Having the idea planted in the minds of citizens so it's at least known as a possibility would be a start.

Not happening and not supported by the only two parties which can win.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't want premature Socialism.

I think Socialism or even Communism will likely happen as result of technological advancement driven by Capitalism, if it's allowed to progress to its logical conclusion. Once robots and AI can do what we can do but cheaper, employment as a means of sustenance will end as a concept, and the political consequence of that will be Socialism. But we will get there through Capitalism as the driving force, not by bashing it.

Well, the only way to make an orderly transition is through increasingly high taxes on the ownership class & redistribution. We had other mechanisms to accomplish the same things, like Unions, trade barriers & transportation barriers that are now gone. Otherwise, Capitalism will continue to squeeze income out of the 99% & pile it up at the tippytop.

 

[fskimospy]

The initial premise is unsound. The quantity of words on documents does not make for good regulation any more than adding another line of code to software makes it self aware.

We could use an overhaul of the system with better and more timely regulations but that simply won't happen because it's hard.

An enormous amount of time and effort goes into creating regulations. The reason better regulations don't happen isn't because its hard

 

[superstition]

The population density in China versus here in American has nothing to do with it I am sure.

Incorrect.

The more people are crammed into an area the less value is assigned to each individual. Supply and demand. Scarcity. The same principle that makes gold valuable makes people less valuable in overpopulated places.

 

[superstition]

SG tastes like chicken.

 

[superstition]

Well, the only way to make an orderly transition is through increasingly high taxes on the ownership class & redistribution. We had other mechanisms to accomplish the same things.

Who is "we"?

The Harvard/Northwestern study found that Congress doesn't care if 90% of American drop dead tomorrow. They're completely invisible, policy-wise.

Who is going to increase taxes on the elites and redistribute wealth?

The word "had" is important there.

Capitalism will continue to squeeze income out of the 99% & pile it up at the tippytop

Capitalism. lol

How about plutocracy, which is socialism for the rich?

 

[Jhhnn]

Who is "we"?

The Harvard/Northwestern study found that Congress doesn't care if 90% of American drop dead tomorrow. They're completely invisible, policy-wise.

Who is going to increase taxes on the elites and redistribute wealth?

The word "had" is important there.


Capitalism. lol

How about plutocracy, which is socialism for the rich?

The person who received the most votes in our recent presidential election promised to do just that, to tax the Rich. Even if she had failed in that we wouldn't be seeing the massive Jerb Creator tax cuts coming down the pike.