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Africa is fail on a global level. When Russia frets over its declining life expectancy... when the US frets over its failing credit rating... when Kim Jung Il thinks his status on the world stage is in jeopardy... when Canada worries about how they are going to fund the telethon to raise funds to fix its tank...

When all hope is lost in any part of the world... All you have to do is look at Africa. Suddenly things don't look so bad.
 

SamurAchzar

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You're an idiot and an apologist for evil. Why don't you try explaining how Germans hate themselves if they acknowledge the wrongs of the Nazis, and Russians hate themselves for saying Stalin was bad?

Let's face the real hate issue.

You're an immoral scumbag who hates the truth.

You're hiding your evil behind the evil in many Africans there, but it's there. You're shameless and despicable.

Hey Craig!

Overlooking the frankly random name calling, where is the one example of an African nation successfully assuming self governance - without dictatorship or monarchy, without skyrocketing corruption, massive crime rates or civil wars? Where's the one example to show you're not a complete assclown, Craig? One? Lots of countries in the continent - 53 to be exact - and they are all fucking backwards. Something in the air, probably.
I even found a ranking, measuring their success^H^H fail in several key areas, such as human rights and development.
Out of respect for the argument, lets focus on the mainland countries only, the islands are not really Africa.
 

StageLeft

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This is why many Whites are leaving South Africa. And I'm sure many Blacks want to as well. Africa as a whole continues to excel at sucking. I have read some interesting things about changes in the last decade and the country is generally just going down the toilet.
For whites though it's a special little piece of hell. I've a friend who emigrated during Apartheid. A few years ago they emigrated back because the family missed home. He says now it's a war zone, with crime tacitly accepted by the government and security only found by those living in gated communities with armed guards and traveling in armored cars. What was intended to be a return home turned out to be merely an extended visit.
I ran across a site last year set up to attract ex-Whites back to South Africa who had left. It claimed success but I don't buy it. If I lived somewhere like that and had the means I'd get the hell out no questions asked, home or not. Home is not somewhere you keep your daughters in gated compounds to prevent them from being raped.
 

JS80

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You're an idiot and an apologist for evil. Why don't you try explaining how Germans hate themselves if they acknowledge the wrongs of the Nazis, and Russians hate themselves for saying Stalin was bad?

Let's face the real hate issue.

You're an immoral scumbag who hates the truth.

You're hiding your evil behind the evil in many Africans there, but it's there. You're shameless and despicable.

LOL says the guy who supports suicide bombings and the mass killing of jews! hahaha!
 

Siddhartha

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How many people, soldiers and civilians, did the Europeans kill in the last 100 years? And if you want to push this further, include the US murder and kill numbers too.

I would not want the subject of the OP running my country. I am questioning the portrayal of the Europeans in this thread as the crown of civilization.
 
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Africa is basically a failed continent. It's what happens when you let the foolish try to run themselves. All it is good for is its natural resources, and even then, no one really cares what happens there. I'm pretty sure there are a few genocides happening there right now, but no one will report on it because no one cares. Only silly christian missionaries go there to get kidnapped and slaughtered, or perhaps catch some disease and die. We'll just continue to exploit Africa until theres nothing left. Everyone knows this.

Unfortunantly the Christians are the ones doing the massacring and have been doing it for a LONG time.

But yeah, it's a failed continent, they have been screwed by pretty much everyone and this latest schtick of the Christian crusaders is just one more thing out of many many more.
 

TruePaige

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Unfortunantly the Christians are the ones doing the massacring and have been doing it for a LONG time.

But yeah, it's a failed continent, they have been screwed by pretty much everyone and this latest schtick of the Christian crusaders is just one more thing out of many many more.

Screwed by everyone or screwed by themselves? African nations throughout history have been quick to sell out their countrymen for self advancement. The latest bout of problems they are facing isn't the fault of Christians it is the fault of racism against non-blacks.
 

Dari

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How many people, soldiers and civilians, did the Europeans kill in the last 100 years? And if you want to push this further, include the US murder and kill numbers too.

I would not want the subject of the OP running my country. I am questioning the portrayal of the Europeans in this thread as the crown of civilization.

Really? Then why does everyone wants to copy our civilization? Is there a better one out there?
 
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Screwed by everyone or screwed by themselves? African nations throughout history have been quick to sell out their countrymen for self advancement. The latest bout of problems they are facing isn't the fault of Christians it is the fault of racism against non-blacks.

Screwed by EVERYONE, promised this and that and been involved through major wars without reaping any benefits.

And yes, the UK really fucked it up beyond belief, these days it's the US and China stealing natrual resources without giving anyone but blood thirsty dictators anything for that.

I would say that Christianity works there as it did in Europe in the 1600's a tool for clergy to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

i'm sorry but YES it is a western problem propounded by western religion. I've been there, i was in Darfur when the Christians slaughtered the heathens, from what i know from other parts and what i hear it's not gotten better since then.

So you'll have to excuse me if i go by facts rather than your "IT IS REVERSE RACISM" complete bullsheit.

In fact, you should be ashamed of yourself enough to tell your parents that they should be ashamed of having brought up someone so reatarded who don't know sheit about the issue but assumes based on what he heard or did not hear.

Lemme guess though, this meeting where you heard this, where there a lot of Frenchmen, old British people or Men with sheets over their heads?

Read up on what the original Christening brought to Africa and come back afterwards.
 

Zebo

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Screwed by EVERYONE, promised this and that and been involved through major wars without reaping any benefits.

And yes, the UK really fucked it up beyond belief, these days it's the US and China stealing natrual resources without giving anyone but blood thirsty dictators anything for that.

I would say that Christianity works there as it did in Europe in the 1600's a tool for clergy to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

i'm sorry but YES it is a western problem propounded by western religion. I've been there, i was in Darfur when the Christians slaughtered the heathens, from what i know from other parts and what i hear it's not gotten better since then.

So you'll have to excuse me if i go by facts rather than your "IT IS REVERSE RACISM" complete bullsheit.

In fact, you should be ashamed of yourself enough to tell your parents that they should be ashamed of having brought up someone so reatarded who don't know sheit about the issue but assumes based on what he heard or did not hear.

Lemme guess though, this meeting where you heard this, where there a lot of Frenchmen, old British people or Men with sheets over their heads?

Read up on what the original Christening brought to Africa and come back afterwards.
Janjaweed killing people in Darfur are Muslim you fool. Not to mention the 1200 yrs Arab slave trade on the Continent. You think slow ass white people rounded up slaves? No the Sultans sold them to us.

The more I read you posts with every denigration of USA and all things Christian (a largely irrelevant and secular bunch these days) and western while providing ardent defense and willful ignorance of all Islamic indicates you are not who you say you are you might be Al-John of Shitfield - sure maybe stationed in Afghanistan but wearing a keffiyeh instead of a beret.
 
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Ozoned

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Janjaweed killing people in Darfur are Muslim you fool. Not to mention the 1200 Arab slave trade on the Continent. You think slow ass white people rounded up slaves? No the Sultans sold them to us.

The more I read you posts with every denigration of USA and all things Christian (a largely irrelevant and secular bunch these days) and western while providing ardent defense and willful ignorance of all Islamic indicates you are not who you say you are you might be Al-John of Shitfield - sure maybe stationed in Afghanistan but wearing a keffiyeh instead.

I was thinking maybe a security guard at the mall.
 

Zebo

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True that.

Every conflict right now in Africa Muslims are antagonists.
Nigerian Muslims killing Christians and Infidels
Algerian Muslims Killing infidels and those not quite Muslim enough
Egyptian Muslims killing and force converting what's left of oldest Christians secs in the world the Copts and Assyrians, Jews were wiped out.
and on and on and on. Every County above Kenya you're pretty much fucked if you're not a Muslim Fundi.
 

Craig234

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Africa, where the largest population of albinos live in hiding because they are hunted and butchered by witch doctors to make magic good luck charms.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34182250/

Tragic ignorance and barbarism.

Whilh will help it more:

A. Point, laugh, hate, nothing else

B. Development aid, education

Hm, which did I see in your post? Oh ya. I guess you're the 'albino killer' of our society.
 

rpanic

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Tragic ignorance and barbarism.

Whilh will help it more:

A. Point, laugh, hate, nothing else

B. Development aid, education

Hm, which did I see in your post? Oh ya. I guess you're the 'albino killer' of our society.

You forgot one.

C. Will never be fixed.
 

theflyingpig

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You forgot one.

C. Will never be fixed.

Exactly. Nothing can be done to fix Africa. There is no hope for that land. There is no hope for it's people. No hope at all. The levels of corruption and stupidity in Africa are so high that it would take a mass extinction to fix. No amount of education or aid can help Africa. Only a fool would say otherwise. Everyone knows this.
 

StinkyPinky

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Super Duper SAS John of Sheffield really hates christians for some reason, and i'm not even christian. Blaming Africas problems on christians is beyond belief since that place was fucked up long before the missionaries set foot there.

Are you really SAS John? Aren't SAS troops supposed to keep quiet about it?
 

JS80

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Super Duper SAS John of Sheffield really hates christians for some reason, and i'm not even christian. Blaming Africas problems on christians is beyond belief since that place was fucked up long before the missionaries set foot there.

Are you really SAS John? Aren't SAS troops supposed to keep quiet about it?

He's an enlightened brit, so because he has a british accent, drinks tea, doesn't brush his teeth, and says cheerio and calls everyone a twat, he's smarter than all of us.
 

daishi5

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It is interesting that some self-hating westerners still blame colonialism and the British for many of the worse issues in this world. I've heard that in the context of Pakistan-India conflict, I've heard that regarding SA and of course in the context of the Middle Eastern conflict. Somehow, the native population in these places is not expected to assume responsibility over itself.

Other than that, I think some groups are just not ready for democracy. They need a tough dictators, it's just so happens that the white dictators were less corrupt and more progress inclined than the totally corrupt blacks that assumed power in these regions (like Robert Mugabe from Zimbabwe).

As one of the "self-hating" westerners who thinks that colonialism, and western influence in general has harmed africa, let me clear a few things up for you.

1. A belief that the west harmed africa does not mean I believe the west is the only cause
2. Just because we are not the only cause, and we are also probably not the biggest cause, does not mean that everything we do is good
3. Democracy is not a form of government you can shove into place and expect it to just work, this is not unique to people who happen to have black skin, you couldn't turn China into a democracy tomorrow and expect them to be an immediate shining light of democracy in action.
4. Good intentions do guarantee good results, and the necessary corallary, just because I think the west hurt nations in Africa, I do not necessarily believe their actions were malicious when they interfered.
5. Including western influence as one of the causes does not mean that the african people themselves are not without blame, so proving that the people of africa have been a part of the cause does not invalidate my claims that the west harmed them.

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Tragic ignorance and barbarism.

Whilh will help it more:

A. Point, laugh, hate, nothing else

B. Development aid, education

Hm, which did I see in your post? Oh ya. I guess you're the 'albino killer' of our society.

Begging the question! You assume that when we step in and give development aid and education that we will actually help them.

For example, from 1970 until the year 1996 foreign aid has been increasing as a % of the average GDP of African Countries from around 6% to around 17.5% in 1996. The rate of growth of foreign aid as a % of GDP nearly doubled in 1977. After this sharp increase in the rate of aid growth, the rate of GDP growth in the countries began to plummet from a stable 2% before 1978 to a period of negative or no growth between 1984-1997. The period between 1978 and 1984 is a very steep drop from 2% to 0%. After 1997 growth returned to positive values, but they are still very low. Take a careful note of the dates, within two years after a drastic increase in development aid, growth began to plummet, after the growth of foreign aid ended in 1996 the very next year 1997 saw the first positive growth in the average African countries GDP in over a decade.

For those of you who are not clear on the whole correlation does not equal causation thing, this does not prove that foreign aid hurt those countries. However, foreign aid is often described as a means of helping poor countries grow. It is just harder to argue that more foreign aid will help these countries grow, when the amount of aid we send them has a negative correlation with the nations growth. (Local mins and maximums of growth follow changes in the pattern of investment, so unless the countries giving Aid knew at least 2 years a head of time what the growth of these african countries would be, it is unlikely that the aid changed in response to a change in growth that had not yet occurred.)

And just for more fun, Craig, I found a fun fact. George W. Bush increased the total amount of Aid that America sends to countries in extreme poverty by 50% in 2002. That may be the biggest increase of any President in both % and actual value in aid to the poor of the world. You might need to soften your rhetoric that only progressives can help the poor if you believe that aid helps the poor.
 
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SamurAchzar

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As one of the "self-hating" westerners who thinks that colonialism, and western influence in general has harmed africa, let me clear a few things up for you.

1. A belief that the west harmed africa does not mean I believe the west is the only cause
2. Just because we are not the only cause, and we are also probably not the biggest cause, does not mean that everything we do is good
3. Democracy is not a form of government you can shove into place and expect it to just work, this is not unique to people who happen to have black skin, you couldn't turn China into a democracy tomorrow and expect them to be an immediate shining light of democracy in action.
4. Good intentions do guarantee good results, and the necessary corallary, just because I think the west hurt nations in Africa, I do not necessarily believe their actions were malicious when they interfered.
5. Including western influence as one of the causes does not mean that the african people themselves are not without blame, so proving that the people of africa have been a part of the cause does not invalidate my claims that the west harmed them.

I agree with everything you said, word for word.