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This is screwed up, another dog shooting by cop.

alkemyst

alkemyst

No Lifer
https://www.facebook.com/justiceforava#!/justiceforava/info


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We are looking for another woman who witnessed Ava's tragic death. She lives in our neighborhood. Her statement would be very helpful. If anyone knows her or how to get a hold of her please contact Justice for Ava, justice.for.ava.@gmail.com


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On Tuesday night, May 10, 2011, Brittany Moore called The Town of Erie Police Department to report harassing telephone calls. What she recieved instead was her beautiful four-year-old German Shepard Dog, Ava, gunned down and killed by Officer Jamie Chester. This is Chester's second time shooting and killing a dog in his capacity as a police officer for The Town of Erie. Brittany Moore has disputed the Erie Police Department's account of the incident, claiming that Ava had turned away from Chester on command and was walking towards her when Ava was gunned down.

We are pleased and confident to have Jennifer Reba Edwards, Attorney at Law, from The Animal Law Office representing Brittany www.theanimallawcenter.com

Thanks EVERYONE for your support! Keep shaking the trees people we are doing great. Call the news stations! So important to write:

Town of Erie Chief of Police, John Hall
Erie Police Department
645 Holbrook Street,
Erie, CO 80516-8418
Ph: 303- 926-2800

Town of Erie Mayor Joe Wilson & Board of Trustees
645 Holbrook Street, P.O. Box 750,
Erie, CO 80516
Ph: 303-926-2700

Stan.Garnett@gmail.com is the email for the Boulder D.A. to let him know what you think.
Please only state facts and keep it respectful. We can let him know how concerned and outraged we all are.
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It's time we reel this Patriot Act mentality back a bit. The law makes it ok for an LEO to shoot any animal that may 'hamper the investigation'...not all cops are bad, but too many are now looking to punish with this pretty much free ride to kill. Pets have been killed while CRATED and on CHAINS far away from the officers.

It's becoming more common lately.

I know this took place last year...in case someone wants to troll that fact.
 
Aggressive dogs should be killed. I fully support this police man's actions.

If he felt threatened in any way by the dog, shoot first.

It's a dog. Period. It has no reason and no ability to tell friend from foe other than pavlovian response. Dogs who are not restrained are a threat to anyone who walks near them at any time for any reason.

If they weren't, if they were docile as everyone here says they are, there would be no need for threads like this.

Get over it and get a new dog if you must.
 
What kind of person suggests the police should kill your pets?

To us, they're family and you can do little greater harm to us than aggressively killing them in their own home. They are minding their own business when you feel its your Nazi duty to go in guns blazing.

The police state mentality needs to end. That people support it means it's all the more difficult to end peacefully.
 
Jaskalas said:
What kind of person suggests the police should kill your pets?

To us, they're family and you can do little greater harm to us than aggressively killing them in their own home. They are minding their own business when you feel its your Nazi duty to go in guns blazing.

The police state mentality needs to end. That people support it means it's all the more difficult to end peacefully.
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Being that it's a facebook post, it's undoubtedly slanted and unbelievably biased. To me, it sounds as though the dog was not in its home and was running toward the police officer. A 4-year-old German Shephard is a big dog. An unrestrained dog like that running at you is absolutely cause for alarm if you've never been exposed to that dog before.

Post an unbiased news article and then we can talk about the specifics of this situation. Until then, I'll err on the side of caution as to my own physical well-being and the well-being of other humans over that of a dog.

Edit: That said, if this cop does get his jollies by murdering animals who pose no immediate or potential danger (because they're caged, leashed, tethered, etc,) then he should lose his badge.
 
alkemyst said:
https://www.facebook.com/justiceforava#!/justiceforava/info




It's time we reel this Patriot Act mentality back a bit. The law makes it ok for an LEO to shoot any animal that may 'hamper the investigation'...not all cops are bad, but too many are now looking to punish with this pretty much free ride to kill. Pets have been killed while CRATED and on CHAINS far away from the officers.

It's becoming more common lately.

I know this took place last year...in case someone wants to troll that fact.
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So much compassion for a dog, so little for dead teenagers.
 
drebo said:
Aggressive cops should be killed. I fully support this citizen's actions.

If he felt threatened in any way by the cop, shoot first.

It's a cop. Period. It has no reason and no ability to tell friend from foe other than pavlovian response. Cops who are not restrained are a threat to anyone who walks near them at any time for any reason.

If they weren't, if they were docile as everyone here says they are, there would be no need for threads like this.

Get over it and get a new cop if you must.
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It's really weird how the same holds true just be replacing a couple of letters... :hmm:
 
THis reminded me of when i witnessed a Cop out of jurisdiction, literally hunt down a friendly dog at the graveyard i worked at and shot him multiple times as the dog ran away, then recieved a final shot to the head after it suffered for a few.
All because a local restaurant called the pound cause it was sniffing by the dumpsters. friendly dog though, dunno why the catcher had that officer with him, must have been his hunting buddy.

actually, i just remembered, we were all minors and that officer had a shotgun, shooting that dog as it ran, all within 50ft of us. now if that happened today around some kids...oh lawd!
 
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Jaskalas said:
What kind of person suggests the police should kill your pets?

To us, they're family and you can do little greater harm to us than aggressively killing them in their own home. They are minding their own business when you feel its your Nazi duty to go in guns blazing.

The police state mentality needs to end. That people support it means it's all the more difficult to end peacefully.
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I agree. If a police man walks on my property "investigating" anything without prior consent or notification of their arrival (where I have the opportunity to lock up my animals) and shoots any of my pets, I'm not sure what I'd do. It would be reasonable for the police to sound one of their sirens to announce their arrival so I can come out and get my animal before they get out and shoot my animals.
 
Jaskalas said:
What kind of person suggests the police should kill your pets?

To us, they're family and you can do little greater harm to us than aggressively killing them in their own home. They are minding their own business when you feel its your Nazi duty to go in guns blazing.

The police state mentality needs to end. That people support it means it's all the more difficult to end peacefully.
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And for the third thread in two days you misuse the prhase 'police state' and need to be told to go learn what it is.

It's horrible when some police feel free to shot a dog they don't need to, just because they have cover to do so by saying they're threatened.

That doesn't make this a 'police state' by any means.

Get back to me when it's standard procedure for police to shoot the family dog in front of the children not over any threat, but to pressure you to talk.

Get back to me when the police shoot your CHILDREN in front of you to pressure you to talk - or shoot a parent in front of their children.

As I said before you are trivializing the phrase 'police state' when you misuse it to describe very rare behavior not part of any systematic abuse of power to terrorize people.

I've seen police break car windows during arrests that they didn't seem to need to. I've seen firemen be more destructive to homes responding calls than I thought they need to.

You can look at that and say, 'man, they are cavalier about destruction for their own convenience just because the rules let them.'

But not every excessive use of force is the same thing as a 'police state'. And there is going to be some excess by the nature of their work.

Take protective measures, have reasonable rules, investigate shootings and complaints, but sometimes family animals will be shot erring on the side of officer safety.

Seems to me most police officers are reasonable people who are not going to shoot an animal if they can reasonably avoid it, and there are rights to complain if they do.

I do not agree with the poster you responded to that's unconcerned with the shooting of animals - and I probably object to shooting wild animals more than you (and protecting wild animals over commercial interests). But your 'police state' harping is paranoiad hyperbole. Read about police states.

I'd like to be able to say, 'nowhere in the world has less of a police state than we do', but I can't say that at all - our police are more aggressive IMO than in most advanced western nations, recall the 'German police used under 100 bullets in a year' thread. We have about the highest rate of incarceration in the world, primarily because of our drug laws, and probably the worst crime rate in the industrialized world, with that drug industry, our high poverty rate, and other factors. But we're far from a 'police state'.
 
brandonb said:
I agree. If a police man walks on my property "investigating" anything without prior consent or notification of their arrival (where I have the opportunity to lock up my animals) and shoots any of my pets, I'm not sure what I'd do. It would be reasonable for the police to sound one of their sirens to announce their arrival so I can come out and get my animal before they get out and shoot my animals.
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I suspect if it's a 'friendly visit', that they'd make an effort to yell and/or call on the phone and try not to shoot them.

But if it's a situation where they're coming to arrest you or execute a search warrant and don't want you to have any warning, your dog might be in trouble.

Though even then I doubt shootings are common, the shot would make a loud sound itself - it's probably more when the dog will attack them trring to get to you.

A lot of criminals' dogs might be largely for that reason to give them warning with barking and slow the police down. I blame the criminals for putting the dogs in harms' way.
 
drebo said:
Aggressive dogs should be killed. I fully support this police man's actions.

If he felt threatened in any way by the dog, shoot first.

It's a dog. Period. It has no reason and no ability to tell friend from foe other than pavlovian response. Dogs who are not restrained are a threat to anyone who walks near them at any time for any reason.

If they weren't, if they were docile as everyone here says they are, there would be no need for threads like this.

Get over it and get a new dog if you must.
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Another troll post by you. As always, expected. Too bad, there isn't a cure for ignorance.
 
drebo said:
Aggressive dogs should be killed. I fully support this police man's actions.

If he felt threatened in any way by the dog, shoot first.

It's a dog. Period. It has no reason and no ability to tell friend from foe other than pavlovian response. Dogs who are not restrained are a threat to anyone who walks near them at any time for any reason.

If they weren't, if they were docile as everyone here says they are, there would be no need for threads like this.

Get over it and get a new dog if you must.
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Lol bro, you are one of the only construction dudes I know (I was in mortgages and worked for a top 5 homebuilder for most of my life) that hates dogs.

I love you fail to understand dogs and humans worked together to survive and those dogs today will die for any of us.
 
lotus503 said:
So much compassion for a dog, so little for dead teenagers.
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lol asshat. Please let me know where you live. 'Tray' was put to sleep for a reason. Come to S. Florida to understand that.

No personal attacks in P&N. -DrPizza
 
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drebo said:
Being that it's a facebook post, it's undoubtedly slanted and unbelievably biased. To me, it sounds as though the dog was not in its home and was running toward the police officer. A 4-year-old German Shephard is a big dog. An unrestrained dog like that running at you is absolutely cause for alarm if you've never been exposed to that dog before.

Post an unbiased news article and then we can talk about the specifics of this situation. Until then, I'll err on the side of caution as to my own physical well-being and the well-being of other humans over that of a dog.

Edit: That said, if this cop does get his jollies by murdering animals who pose no immediate or potential danger (because they're caged, leashed, tethered, etc,) then he should lose his badge.
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Hey bro, where should they post?

Why are you so fucking anti-social?

German Shepherds aren't really big dogs though.

thanks for your edit. You understood the outcome of it.

Ditto the previous post - no personal attacks.
 
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lotus503 said:
Not at all, your comparison is disturbing to say the least.
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And typical of the paranoid right who are for murder of those they're paranoid of.

Remember G. Gordon Liddy's instructions under Clinton how to kill federal agents with head shots. Nothing like a Democratic president to bring out the terrorist in these people.

(Saw his post in your quote; I've long said his are the worst in the forum, on ignore).
 
Craig234 said:
And typical of the paranoid right who are for murder of those they're paranoid of.

Remember G. Gordon Liddy's instructions under Clinton how to kill federal agents with head shots. Nothing like a Democratic president to bring out the terrorist in these people.

(Saw his post in your quote; I've long said his are the worst in the forum, on ignore).
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Boohoo, Fail234 has me on ignore. Why is this fool still allowed to post?
 
Craig234 said:
But if it's a situation where they're coming to arrest you or execute a search warrant and don't want you to have any warning, your dog might be in trouble.
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The sane among us don't want police entering homes without warning. No-knock warrants and SWAT deployments should be a big deal worthy of a newspaper headline, not a daily occurence.
 
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If I saw a dog that looks like that running towards me, it's getting shot!

Would love to read up on the facts of what happened though rather than some slanted biased account.
 
This isn't the only occurrence. It's easy to see how many times this is happening lately and it's equally concerning when the same few officers are constantly being the ones needing to shoot dogs.
 
Here are three stories about it.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/05/14/family-upset-with-officer-who-shot-their-dog/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/05/25/erie-officer-cleared-in-shooting-of-family-dog/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/05/26/erie-police-officer-justified-deadly-shooting/

I think this would be difficult to prove if he just felt like killing a dog. I tend to side with the idea the dog was acting aggressively. The owner seems to change her story a bit from the second to third article. Went from the dog was not acting aggressively to the officer should have used something other than a gun. Plus the guy owns three dogs so I dont think he is a dog killer.

Big dogs can act aggressively or look aggressive even if they are just being curious. If the Owner would have had her under control, the dog would be alive today.
 
Drebo doesn't like dogs. So to him they have no value.

To others...people that fight dogs, own dogs. They have no problem killing another's.

There are more stories out there...some have been in crates when killed. Some ran away and the officer pursued them.
 
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