Jeff7
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And interestingly enough, just a few hours ago I videotaped a lecture concerning education in 3rd world countries, and how dedicated those students are. In one place the lecturer went, the families actually helped make the bricks that would go into constructing a new school. They dug up dirt to get good clay, kept it wet, mashed it into molds, and then baked the dried bricks in a kiln.
The students look forward to school, they do homework on weekends, and then do it again so that they are sure they have it right, and then a majority of them want to become teachers.
It is most unfortunate that there is such a disconnect, and that there is such ignorance of the importance of basic education. The parents just fail to realize that, perhaps the reason they remain so poor is because of a lack of education. Having their children be uneducated only perpetuates the problem.
Look at the offspring of G. W. Bush.
The students look forward to school, they do homework on weekends, and then do it again so that they are sure they have it right, and then a majority of them want to become teachers.
This was contrary even to what this doctor lectured about today - in the country she had spent time in, the parents weren't concerned about education's value, they knew it was important. They were hesitant about sending their children off to school simply because it meant that there would be less help just to keep everyone fed, as many of them engage in subsitence farming. But then they would see the results from previous students: they'd be more confident in themselves, had basic literacy skills, and they'd be willing to try to help others to become educated as well.
It is most unfortunate that there is such a disconnect, and that there is such ignorance of the importance of basic education. The parents just fail to realize that, perhaps the reason they remain so poor is because of a lack of education. Having their children be uneducated only perpetuates the problem.
Also a very unfortunate problem - lack of a sense accountability. Too many people believe their children to be infallible. Your perfect little Timmy would never lie to you? Right. He knows that you trust every single word he says, and he will take advantage of that every time he thinks he can get away with it. Some people fail to realize that kids aren't always as naive as they may seem. They learn fast, but they might not always learn the right lesson - they might not learn that a behavior is bad, they only learn that it brings bad things. So instead of stopping the behavior, they find a workaround just to avoid the punishment. If that means lying to their parents faces, they'll do it without a second thought.
It's a difficult battle. Stupidity spawns stupidity, but it can also appear seemingly at random.
Look at the offspring of G. W. Bush.
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That was one of the reasons why my parents were happy to leave Baltimore City and move to "rural" North Carolina.
Considering how my few DOZEN cousins turned out (mom had 6 siblings, dad had 11) who still live in Baltimore and have somewhat sane parents, I'd say my parents made the right choice. I've got cousins who've had kids at 14, 15 years of age, cousins that have been in jail for armed robbery, drug possession, kidnapping, sexual assault (WTF), and letting an angry dog loose on an Asian man who runs a corner store that caught them stealing.
Lovely family I have
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Linux23
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LOL. My older brother is a POS scumbag father of 4 kids by 3 different mothers, and he couldn't care less about his kids. I have to step in and take over (among other family members), go to school when they're bad, try to help with their homework, and get involved and ask them questions.
He's never anywhere to be found, and he only see's his children when he wants to. Sad really.
He's never anywhere to be found, and he only see's his children when he wants to. Sad really.
Kelemvor
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- May 23, 2002
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Is your GF new to this school or is this year just exceptionally bad? Since most of these kids have parents that don't care about them, don't teach them basic right from wrong, and surely aren't usable as a role model, your GF is going to have to change the way she teaches and deals with the kids to try to become someone they look up to and they can use her as a role model.
Sure, some kids will still act up but if the rest of the kids can learn to respect her and enjoy the class, they will put down the unruly ones themselves. Or your GF can just send that kid out and not worry about it.
I don't have a clue how she might do this or how she'd have to change how she teaches and interacts with the kids, but there are teachers out there that do this so maybe she should get online and find some other teachers forums with the same type of situation and see how they handle it.
Sure, some kids will still act up but if the rest of the kids can learn to respect her and enjoy the class, they will put down the unruly ones themselves. Or your GF can just send that kid out and not worry about it.
I don't have a clue how she might do this or how she'd have to change how she teaches and interacts with the kids, but there are teachers out there that do this so maybe she should get online and find some other teachers forums with the same type of situation and see how they handle it.
It all went to poop there and the UK when they banned Discipline, why behave if you cant get into trouble.
2 generations later this is the end result
2 generations later this is the end result
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My GF started teaching in late January to take over for a teacher who was leaving. The kids haven't respected her since day one. She has tried everything to get through to these kids. She's tried giving them treats as incentive and having fun games/activities for them to participate in. They don't care and just steal the candy and the games that she brings in.
She's tried reasoning with them, but again, they don't listen. She's tried to discipline them, but that doesn't work at all. One girl started yelling at my GF and told her that she doesn't have to listen to her. My GF asked if she talked to her mom this way at home and she said no. So she asked, why do you think it's proper to talk to me this way to which the girl responded b/c I can. Then she walks off to the supplies room in the classroom (my GF goes after her) and she shuts the door in my GF's face.
She's tried being forceful, she's tried authoritative and yelling (to which they just laugh and mock), she tried calling the office to have kids sent out (almost on a daily basis), but the administration just thinks you're weak b/c you can't deal with the kids.
One of the teachers on my GF's team was telling her of an incident that happened earlier this week. She had a parent come in to discuss what was going on with his badass kid. The dad was in the room and pulled his son off to the side and was talking to him. Then he said "Just b/c she's white doesn't mean you that you can act this way towards her."
The teacher was like WTF?
or to buy really expensive shoes for their kids... By the way, I like Bush. Please stop all the Bush bashing.. I know a lot of people hate him, but to bring him up everytime.. thats kinda coockoo... No child left behind is a good idea (remember you cannot throw money at the problem).. its just that some people WANT to be left behind.
They key to getting your kid a good education is getting them away from the bad kids with the crappy parents. When you have environment with mostly good kids, good teachers will want to teach there. You need little more than a roof and some 2nd hand textbooks once you achieve this environment. No computers, fancy technology, anything like that. That is why private schools are better. The kid merely being in private school already implies some kind of concern by the parents.
I've in the past supported school vouchers, but one thing that concerns me is that once private school start accepting public money, stupid politicians will want to impose some rules, like if you accept public money, you cant kick little Johnny out when he's raising hell. Then they'll just screw up private schools as well. We'd have to ship our kids out of the country to get a good eductation.
I've in the past supported school vouchers, but one thing that concerns me is that once private school start accepting public money, stupid politicians will want to impose some rules, like if you accept public money, you cant kick little Johnny out when he's raising hell. Then they'll just screw up private schools as well. We'd have to ship our kids out of the country to get a good eductation.
This is the cancer that is killing our country. It needs to be cut out, but how do you do that without an atrocity.
Linux23
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You know, it sounds like the previous teacher was a pushover with her students. The were running wild on her, and when your gf came to take over, she wasn't firm from day 1 and stated the rules down right that she was not playing. The reason I state this is that if kids smell fear one time, then it's a rap for her.
Has she seen Lean on Me?
Has she seen Lean on Me?
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Originally posted by: Linux23
You know, it sounds like the previous teacher was a pushover with her students. The were running wild on her, and when your gf came to take over, she wasn't firm from day 1 and stated the rules down right that she was not playing. The reason I state this is that if kids smell fear one time, then it's a rap for her.
Has she seen Lean on Me?
It's not just my GF's class, it's the whole 1st grade level (5 teachers total). All of them have the same problems. Like I said, one other teacher had 11 kids suspended at once.
pfft, most low income parents don't work second jobs. They work a part time job and collect state benefits.
They were too busy at home watching Martin on the WB to care about their child's education. But thats ok, somebody has to work in the fast food industry.
Safeway
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Just let the decline continue. That way, people like us will continue to prosper. Call me what you will, but it is the truth. Parents know that the way to a better life is via education, regardless of whether or not the parents are educated. Bright students will prevail under any circumstances.
WHO CARES? WE'RE STILL THE WEALTHIEST NATION WITH THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING FOR A COUNTRY OUR SIZE.
Education is OVERRATED. Look at all the college educated geniuses working cash registers in South Korea because they don't have one extra science job.
Education is OVERRATED. Look at all the college educated geniuses working cash registers in South Korea because they don't have one extra science job.
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