?This is our house now:? ACORN mob begins breaking into homes

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ericlp

http://michellemalkin.com/2009...s-breaking-into-homes/

Source: Michelle Malkin

404 Error. Credibility not found.

yeah clicking the link is so difficult




edit: same donna hanks?

$87,000 and $1,600 a month? even with tax escrow and PMI that's double digit interest. on a house. when do the alarm bells go off in people's heads?


edit2: six jobs?

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Lock 'em up.

I agree, or shoot them for trespassing.

 

[Ronstang]

You have got to love Democrats, thinking they can keep something they can't/won't pay for expecting someone else to pick up the tab.

 

[MovingTarget]

Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: PG

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: ericlp
http://michellemalkin.com/2009...s-breaking-into-homes/


The community group ACORN calls Hanks a victim of predatory lending.

ACORN should call Hanks an ignorant borrower. Who the hell gets an adjustable rate when rates are at historic lows! Hell yeh the mortgage will go up.

Technically ignorant, yes, but that's a crappy attitude.
I bet I could explain all sorts of things to you that you've never heard before about mortgages. Almost everyone is somwhat ignorant, it just varies on how much. Last I knew there were no mortgage classes in high school or college so who do you think most went to for help? Unfortunately they went to the people who had no financial reward or interest in getting them into a good situtation.

I may not know everything there is to know about mortgages. One thing I did know was that when I bought my second house in 2003 that interest rates were near historic lows. I also surmised that since they were at historic lows (which all those crappy finance places advertised them being at) odds are the rates would go up. So it is crappy of me... a middle class taxpayer to be upset that someone would get an adjustable rate and not be able to afford payments because their monthly mortgage went up $300? So now I have to bail them out??!????? Unfortunately schools cannot teach common sense.

I will tell you what. Today I will go buy a brand new $50,000 loaded hummer and pay sticker. I can't afford it. I just won't read the part where I have to make consecutive payments and sign away. Well I can if I do not pay my mortgage. So if the banks come after me, I will call BHO and/or ACORN and the world will be a shiny happy place... me and my new car.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
You have got to love Democrats, thinking they can keep something they can't/won't pay for expecting someone else to pick up the tab.

You apparently love partisan hackery.

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN.

Even without the partisan hacks, there are many people who are outraged by any form of civil disobedience, regardless of how benign it is.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN.

Even without the partisan hacks, there are many people who are outraged by any form of civil disobedience, regardless of how benign it is.

Perhaps I should have said the current level of outrage. You are correct in that some do think that any form of civil disobedience is outrageous, despite our long history of using it for positive effect.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Private property rights are huge, but you have to admit that there is a huge qualitative difference between people squatting in a home that they formerly owned after the bank foreclosed and trespassing in the conventional sense. I guess I am unamerican by seeing their side of using this as a protest against economic injustice in such an ironic manner. This is what civil disobediance is...

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Well there's a group in south florida that's moving homeless people into foreclosed/abandoned property.

They pay for a locksmith to come out and change the locks, then pay to get the lights turned on, then they move the squatters in free of charge.

This I believe is where we should be directing our ire, rather than chasing ACORN phantoms.

That's a legit problem with absolutely no plausible defense.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Well there's a group in south florida that's moving homeless people into foreclosed/abandoned property.

They pay for a locksmith to come out and change the locks, then pay to get the lights turned on, then they move the squatters in free of charge.

This I believe is where we should be directing our ire, rather than chasing ACORN phantoms.

That's a legit problem with absolutely no plausible defense.

Yes, getting homeless people arrested for squatting/trespassing is really helping them. :roll:


All of this debate is really worthless, as the Sheriff always has the final say when he comes in to evict/arrest.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Even without the partisan hacks, there are many people who are outraged by any form of civil disobedience, regardless of how benign it is.

Unless they are running against a Republican candidate right? In which case it becomes acceptable?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Well there's a group in south florida that's moving homeless people into foreclosed/abandoned property.

They pay for a locksmith to come out and change the locks, then pay to get the lights turned on, then they move the squatters in free of charge.

This I believe is where we should be directing our ire, rather than chasing ACORN phantoms.

That's a legit problem with absolutely no plausible defense.

Yes, getting homeless people arrested for squatting/trespassing is really helping them. :roll:


All of this debate is really worthless, as the Sheriff always has the final say when he comes in to evict/arrest.

I didn't advocate that monkeyboy, but THAT IS A GROUP people should be upset about, these people have LESS than zero claim to that property, whereas these other people at least have some claim.

Change you can believe in, now shut up.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Private property rights are huge, but you have to admit that there is a huge qualitative difference between people squatting in a home that they formerly owned after the bank foreclosed and trespassing in the conventional sense. I guess I am unamerican by seeing their side of using this as a protest against economic injustice in such an ironic manner. This is what civil disobediance is...

They broke a contract. What right do they have to not vacate the premises ordered to them via the courts? There is no economic injustice. They bought too much of a home. They dont own the home and have relinquished rights to it when they stopped paying for that home. Little different than when these same deadbeats stop paying for their car and the repo man shows up.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Well there's a group in south florida that's moving homeless people into foreclosed/abandoned property.

They pay for a locksmith to come out and change the locks, then pay to get the lights turned on, then they move the squatters in free of charge.

This I believe is where we should be directing our ire, rather than chasing ACORN phantoms.

That's a legit problem with absolutely no plausible defense.

Yes, getting homeless people arrested for squatting/trespassing is really helping them. :roll:


All of this debate is really worthless, as the Sheriff always has the final say when he comes in to evict/arrest.

I didn't advocate that monkeyboy, but THAT IS A GROUP people should be upset about, these people have LESS than zero claim to that property, whereas these other people at least have some claim.

Change you can believe in, now shut up.

Wow....I thought "monkeyboy" is now considered racist? And telling someone to "shut-up"?

Do you always call people names and act like Bill O'Reilly when you get angry?


Also, is "less than zero claim" a legal term?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Private property rights are huge, but you have to admit that there is a huge qualitative difference between people squatting in a home that they formerly owned after the bank foreclosed and trespassing in the conventional sense. I guess I am unamerican by seeing their side of using this as a protest against economic injustice in such an ironic manner. This is what civil disobediance is...

They broke a contract. What right do they have to not vacate the premises ordered to them via the courts? There is no economic injustice. They bought too much of a home. They dont own the home and have relinquished rights to it when they stopped paying for that home. Little different than when these same deadbeats stop paying for their car and the repo man shows up.

I'm not disputing that the bank has the legal authority to kick them out, nor that the former homeowner has any legal claim to the deed. Also, there are plenty of people in today's job market who didn't just 'buy too much of a home'. You can still buy a sensible home, lose your job and retirement savings, and ultimately get foreclosed on because they cannot get back into a job market that is already saturated/flooded. It is happening everyday. This same kind of mass forclosures and subsequent squatting happened a lot during the Great Depression, where just like today, they were due to economic injustices.

Just because the banks have the legal authority to boot people who are behind on their mortgage payments doesn't mean that they should. It doesn't even make much economic sense between the two parties, not to mention the additional harm that it causes the local and national community. You have to take a broader view of these things.

 

[Genx87]

What benefit does a bank have keeping people in who are not paying? Now if the bank wants to renegotiate a deal that is there perogative. But this article is dealing with people who are been foreclosed on and had their redemption period run out. In many states this is typically 12 months from the first missed payment.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Genx87
What benefit does a bank have keeping people in who are not paying?

I don't see anyone suggesting they do.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: ayabe
*Cue the angry white basement dwellers*


It's teh ACORNS!!!!

Ah, race baiting trolls, that was quick.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Genx87
What benefit does a bank have keeping people in who are not paying?

I don't see anyone suggesting they do.

Well he is suggesting they shouldnt evict people who have had their redemption periods run out. I "assumed" there had to be some benefit to the bank for going against logic.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: ayabe
*Cue the angry white basement dwellers*


It's teh ACORNS!!!!

Ah, race baiting trolls, that was quick.

Any ACORN thread just lights up the little crosses in their hearts.

 

[spidey07]

LOL at "economic injustice". That sounds like the sort of rhetoric being used by ACORN. "It's not my fault I'm being forclosed! It's economic injustice I tells ya!"

Acorn is going to see some riots happening because of what they are doing and that's what they want. Go to their web page, it is a timed, planned effort. The black panthers would be proud.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Genx87
What benefit does a bank have keeping people in who are not paying?

I don't see anyone suggesting they do.

I guess by a bit of a stretch that would be me. The forclosure rate and jump in unemployment that we have had recently aren't exactly an ordinary business as usual type of situation. I believe that the normal period should be extended slightly and that the banks should really be forced to review their ARM policies to renegotiate with homeowners to face up to the current economic reality. Every home that is forclosed on right now only further feeds the downward economic spiral. It isn't that people are simply being deadbeats/irresponsible. People want to make their mortgages for the most part, and if the banks were to take a more pragmatic approach to forclosure then they would eventually be able to get back on track paying without the larger collective effects that current forclosure rates have. A bank has nothing to gain by keeping an empty house that won't sell, shuttered.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL at "economic injustice". That sounds like the sort of rhetoric being used by ACORN. "It's not my fault I'm being forclosed! It's economic injustice I tells ya!"

Acorn is going to see some riots happening because of what they are doing and that's what they want. Go to their web page, it is a timed, planned effort. The black panthers would be proud.

Way to indirectly play the race card there. I'll give you a hint: color does matter in this society, however, the only color that matters is green. Economic injustice is what happens when the haves screw up by being too risky with their investments, and the middle class pays the price. Look around you.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Honestly, I don't think that the 'outrage' would be there if it was another group besides ACORN. Most don't even know what the group actually does, but gets foaming at the mouth just because of all the hype that surrounded them during the campaign. Forget about ACORN and just look at the situation: squatting is being used as a form of civil disobedience to protest mortgage abuses as people across America are being foreclosed on in record numbers. It almost sounds logical. It would be another thing entirely if property was actually being damaged or if somebody actually was living there (or scheduled to move in), but neither seems to be the case.

I'd be outraged by any group advocating or helping people break the law by trespassing or desutrction of private property. Private property rights are huge in this nation. Anybody advocating we disregard them is un-american.

Well there's a group in south florida that's moving homeless people into foreclosed/abandoned property.

They pay for a locksmith to come out and change the locks, then pay to get the lights turned on, then they move the squatters in free of charge.

This I believe is where we should be directing our ire, rather than chasing ACORN phantoms.

That's a legit problem with absolutely no plausible defense.

Yes, getting homeless people arrested for squatting/trespassing is really helping them. :roll:


All of this debate is really worthless, as the Sheriff always has the final say when he comes in to evict/arrest.

I didn't advocate that monkeyboy, but THAT IS A GROUP people should be upset about, these people have LESS than zero claim to that property, whereas these other people at least have some claim.

Change you can believe in, now shut up.

Wow....I thought "monkeyboy" is now considered racist? And telling someone to "shut-up"?

Do you always call people names and act like Bill O'Reilly when you get angry?


Also, is "less than zero claim" a legal term?

Stop race baiting and don't twist my words an you'll have nothing to worry about.

Change..I believe in you.