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This is like how the so-calledBiblical Flood might have happened.

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BudAshes said:
The other great thing about the flood myth is how did they procreate? They just fucked their own family?
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Didn't you read? There are females from other species on the boat. Oh God just created more better advanced humans as you see now, call it earth 2.0.

I'm sure God was a shitty engineering student who failed miserably in philosophy and humanity.
 
BudAshes said:
This entire statement is beneath you as a rational human being.
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Best reply I've ever seen in a thread by far. Short and to the point. You made my day. I enjoyed this reply so much and became full of such joy I came up with a new word to describe it. The word to best describe this feeling would be "joygasm".
 
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zinfamous said:
again--it's complete tomfoolery to actually try and look for a real global flood. These were unread desert dwellers whose entire world, at the time, was quite small. "The flood" never happened at a time that anyone ever saw--it was always a myth; always. Many cultures shared this exact same myth. Was there a time, before the history of the people propagating this myth, perhaps along the Nile delta where flood waters reached epic enough levels for people to talk about it for some time? sure, likely, I would say.
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The notion of a global flood and the similarity between some of these religions is fascinating. Maybe there was some religion like the Mormons who went around converting people, and while they may have been forgotten, the parables they told made its way into native religions. Or maybe there was a flood that destroyed an ancient civilization, causing the survivors to spread out and repeat the story, and its merged into existing religions. Or maybe there was an event that caused an actual flood effecting some or all the civilizations bordering the Indian Ocean. But there must be a reasonable explanation why the core elements of this same story exists in most ancient religions. Other than they were simply dumb liars. I refuse to believe that.

DrPizza said:
That's already been debunked.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090429091637.htm
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"That's just not the case here. The model shows such a tsunami could not have created these chevrons, unless you have some unimaginable process at work," Bourgeois said.
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How can you accurately model something unless you know all the variables? She says the chevrons aren't caused by the mega tsunami, but the people who found the Burckle Crater found it by triangulating chevrons in Madagascar and Australia, and it was there. The chevrons and crater are related. I think criticisms of the theory are rebutted in the book Geophysical Hazards: Minimizing Risk, Maximizing Awareness. Relevant chapter:

Mega Tsunami of the World Oceans: Chevron Dune Formation, Micro-Ejecta, and Rapid Climate Change as the Evidence of Recent Oceanic Bolide Impacts

But whatever...I think I read what I wanted to read, and it gave me a headache. In leu of a better theory, I will stick with this. The only reservation I have about it is that Masse seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. Someone is trying to shut him up... <music>X-files theme.mp3</music>.
 
Childs said:
The notion of a global flood and the similarity between some of these religions is fascinating. Maybe there was some religion like the Mormons who went around converting people, and while they may have been forgotten, the parables they told made its way into native religions. Or maybe there was a flood that destroyed an ancient civilization, causing the survivors to spread out and repeat the story, and its merged into existing religions. Or maybe there was an event that caused an actual flood effecting some or all the civilizations bordering the Indian Ocean. But there must be a reasonable explanation why the core elements of this same story exists in most ancient religions. Other than they were simply dumb liars. I refuse to believe that.





How can you accurately model something unless you know all the variables? She says the chevrons aren't caused by the mega tsunami, but the people who found the Burckle Crater found it by triangulating chevrons in Madagascar and Australia, and it was there. The chevrons and crater are related. I think criticisms of the theory are rebutted in the book Geophysical Hazards: Minimizing Risk, Maximizing Awareness. Relevant chapter:

Mega Tsunami of the World Oceans: Chevron Dune Formation, Micro-Ejecta, and Rapid Climate Change as the Evidence of Recent Oceanic Bolide Impacts

But whatever...I think I read what I wanted to read, and it gave me a headache. In leu of a better theory, I will stick with this. The only reservation I have about it is that Masse seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. Someone is trying to shut him up... <music>X-files theme.mp3</music>.
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A better theory?

Perhaps in comparison to other Noahs Flood theories.
 
DrPizza said:
This. And, there is plenty of evidence of large geologic events which, after being passed down for many generations through oral storytelling, would account for the origin of the Biblical flood *story*.

Furthermore, if you do the math - 16,000 feet of water, in 40 days? That's 400 feet of water per day. That's over 16 FEET of water per hour coming down. Keep going with the math & you'll see how silly it is. 3 1/3" of rain on every square inch of Earth every minute. Then, the flood waters "receded." Receded to where? And, 2 of every species of animal on Earth just happened to live within walking distance to the ark? So, all those kangaroos in Australia, and other animals that only lived in one area of the world (and are in the fossil record as having lived only in that one area) suddenly were all next to the ark? And, how do you explain the ordering of the fossils in the fossil record. Yes, I know the explanation that an ignorant child might believe - but how about the explanation for someone even slightly knowledgeable?
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As much as I agree with what you're saying Doc, as a Christian it would be illogical to say you believe in a God that created EVERYTHING in the universe but that making water appear/disappear is somehow the deal breaker.
Having said that, there are many many many of us who embrace what science has given us, and a local, 'entire world (of man)' flood fits better with Biblical context than a planet covering impossi-flood.
The reason for the flood was because of man's increasing wickedness, one of these trespasses was that the people hadn't 'went out into all the lands and increased in number', but remained stagnant in the Mesopotamian valley. The encroach of modern humans (homo-sapians-sapians) hadn't progressed beyond that point, so what need was there to flood the entire planet?

Quick little ironic point, the young earth crowd (who overwhelmingly push for planetwide flood), perhaps the most anti-evolution crowd in the world, get around the animal population/size-of-the-arc problem by saying there were only proto-species onboard. In a nutshell, the biggest opponents of all things evolution attribute it super powers by believing all different dogs, cats, monkeys, etc all came from one parent group in the span of 5000 years or so.
 
Crono said:
The details that can't be verified are mostly because of how time, conflicts, and natural disasters have decimated various areas in and around Israel, and political reasons also keep some archaeology from being done, but that's no different from investigating any other ancient culture.
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ORRRR because it's all a bunch of horse manure.
 
Rob M. said:
I apply, as I stated, the same level of scrutiny to credulous bible scholars, since those who wrote the book are dead.
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I have a guy at work who goes on digs in Jerusalem in the Summer, reading some of his magazines most biblical scholars do not interpret the bible literally and admit there are blatant falsehoods in the bible. They don't let it affect their faith.
 
Rob M. said:
I apply, as I stated, the same level of scrutiny to credulous bible scholars, since those who wrote the book are dead.
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Don't forget! The chronicles of jesus didn't even begin to be written until hundreds of years AFTER Christ died.

Also, Genesis was NOT written by one man and that man was NOT Moses.

The list is huge, but I'll stop here.
 
ThinClient said:
Don't forget! The chronicles of jesus didn't even begin to be written until hundreds of years AFTER Christ died.

Also, Genesis was NOT written by one man and that man was NOT Moses.

The list is huge, but I'll stop here.
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Your first statement is inaccurate. The range in which the Gospels were written was 30-90 years after his alleged death.
 
sandorski said:
A better theory?

Perhaps in comparison to other Noahs Flood theories.
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The mega tsunami or the Black Sea theory seem to be the only reasonable ones to explain why these religions mention a global flood. Even modern urban legends are usually based on a real event. Maybe in 10 years there will be a better theory, or they'll uncover a missing link between all these religions. It might just be that the trade routes is the region was more extensive than what was thought, and the different regions influenced each other. A lot of these ancient civilizations seemed to begin around the same time in the Bronze age.
 
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Childs said:
The mega tsunami or the Black Sea theory seem to be the only reasonable ones to explain why these religions mention a global flood. Even modern urban legends are usually based on a real event. Maybe in 10 years there will be a better theory, or they'll uncover a missing link between all these religions. It might just be that the trade routes is the region was more extensive that what was thought, and the different regions influenced each other. A lot of these ancient civilizations seemed to begin around the same time in the Bronze age.
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Oh, I agree. Umm, I kinda assumed you had posted the Hydroplate theory again. My bad.
 
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