This is despicable.

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SampSon

Were spending WAY more than were making.

Right now we are. But who knows how long we'll have favorable contracts when everything is settled? After this conflict ends, we could be at peace with Iraq for the next 20 years, you never know. We already have the #1 oil producer on our side, and we're trying to get #2 in order. We've muscled our way into getting influence.

What most likely will happen is that there will be a coup again in Iraq, and the House of Saud will fall and oil prices will skyrocket.
That is just speculation though.

Eventually doing business with America will not be too desireable.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SampSon
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It only hires non union or it closes up shop.

Sounds like an easy way to put Wal-Mart out of business. Just pick a store you want to close and start a union there.

LOL, you try that sparky. I hope you enjoyed getting raped and beaten to death, too. Wal-Mart is not above killing you.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SampSon

What are you going to do to change this lifestyle drop? America cannot manufacture goods at a comparable price and keep up its standard of living.

We need to increase our bottom line. The country needs to obtain money.

I'm one of the few people who supported the Iraq war even though I did not believe any of the reasons that Bush gave. I didn't even vote for Bush, but I do support the conquest of another country to feed our need for money. Oil=money. It's life. It's like a lion eating a gazelle. Someone is going to win, and someone will lose. But sitting there and just "taking it" is not an option.

We live in a dog eat dog world.

It's sad when you think about it, but when you try to moralize it too much you become saddened that our ancestors took over the land we live in. Nothing is given to you in this world, you need to take it. Seize the opportunity.

Thats how the Romans did it. But they were much more efficent. They didn't bother with keeping up appearances. They invaded, enslaved and took over resources.

Its a fine plan, but we're going about it wrong. We should really have just slaughted all the Iraqis and taken their land and oil as a spoil of war. The people are not really an asset afterall, just the resources. In fact, the people are really a big pain to support and aren't really giving us anything at all besides trouble.

America does have a powerful military, perhaps we should simply nuke China into submission and enslave the remaining people. Then they can produce our goods for a signifigantly smaller cost then even now and the money will go directly to the american military that control the slaves by force.

Some more powerful European nations may stand in the way of this though, but if we crush a few of them the rest will likely fall into submission.

This is really starting to sound like a plan the Nazi's thought up awhile ago.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SampSon

I agree that the standard of living is going to drop, that is the point I am trying to make. People expect to make more and more and more as time goes on, which is not the case anymore.

I personally am in a job that cannot be outsourced, only the fees can be reduced.

So we're pretty much on the same page, except that I'm not willing to accept a lifestyle drop, while other people can accept it.

How about a lifestyle at $3 hr? That's what the people I work with say Wally World is overpaying it's employees at $6 hr.

$3hr is only way we can compete with China.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Megatomic
You know, most of the people I know that work at Walmart do it strictly for extra money, perhaps a side job or a PT job for the bored spouse who wants to get out of the house for a while. You people make it sound like some actually try to make their living working there.

Um. CLEARLY, since you know several people who work at walmart, you are qualified to speak for all of the company's workers. :disgust: How about night stockers? How about low-income workers? Don't forget many of these people are low-income persons working 2, maybe even 3 jobs to keep food on the table.

Your level of ignorance is shocking.

Sorry, my level is experience is what I was speaking from, not my quasi-intellectual humanitarian professor's latest lecture on the evils of corporate america. At least think for yourself. :roll:

LOL. Nice one. :laugh: WHAT AN ORIGINAL COMMENT! :laugh:

You're a fool to assume that experience will yield the correct answers to all of your questions. You're also a fool to assume that I'm merely recycling another person's opinion. I am pointing out a large fallcacy in your comment: assuming that simply because you know a few Wal-mart employees that it is the case that all of their employees are working part-time as a "side job" is obviously false. How you can generalize from limited experience? Sheesh.

That's my piece.

Apparently I struck a nerve. My work here is now done.

ps - You take yourself and the internet way to seriously. You need to check this out:

Video - maybe NSFW

Politics makes me sooooooo horny.
Unions are good because I say they are. Any of you do not agree with me should die in a fire, now.

 

[ivol07]

Speaking from my experience I've found that Unions are not good for business. Ah, I remember the great "If you ever see a fellow brother stealing don't tell management" speech, or the "Neck injuries are harder to detect by a doctor, they can't tell if you're really hurt or not" speech. Of course this is just from my experience with great Teamsters Local 396.

And isn't the Union trying to organize Wal-Mart the same one that just bent over their members in the So. Cal Grocery Strike? Making their members walk for 6 months just to get practically the same contract?

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused

The true outrage here is that Walmart was forced to close, rather than allowed to hire and fire at will.

They weren't FORCED to do anything. They CHOSE to close rather than let their employees exercise their right to unionize.

There was no wrongdoing here. Both sides did what they were legally allowed to do. Employers vs. employees is a power struggle, and this is how it played out in this case.

I like your way of thinking.
From now on, I refuse to hire women, minorities, people who don't brush their teeth, people who want to own their own home, and people who believe in God.
If anyone in my store asks God to alleviate their suffering, they are gone. If anyone complains about our broken bathrooms or even asks to go to the bathroom then they can go find another job putting screws in boxes. They're retards anyways, and we've almost got the monkeys trained and to replace them.
I hope you can see that this flow of logic equally matches yours.
The government writes laws that protect a fair and free marketplace.
To allow Walmart to fire people for exercising their rights as Americans is wrong. Walmart won. No one is telling them that they have to employ anyone. They exercised their right. They shut the store down. They don't have to employ anyone they don't want to. They reached the compromise that best suits their needs.
That, my friend, is bargaining.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Ornery
What are you going to do for work? Sorry, I don't want to hire you- I'm going to get it done in China instead.

Yeah right, you're buying your bathroom remodel from China? Your new roof is being installed by someone from China? Your car is getting a muffler put on in China? Some Chinese fellow is going to do your taxes? Your wife is having her hair cut in China? Who's going to photograph your wedding, and conduct your family's funerals?

GET A GRIP, CLYDE!

Those are all services jobs. You've effectively given up trying to defend manufacturing and production jobs, and now only hang onto services jobs.

We can't export the work, so we'll import the workers.

The big business answer to that is H1B visas. I'm going to claim that there's a shortage of skilled bathroom remodelers, roofers, muffler mechanics and hair cutters. Even though there's plenty of people in this country willing to do this, I'm going to say there's a severe shortage. We must import people. Now people from China are going to do these jobs, since they're willing to work for less.

I'm going to claim that I'm paying them a fair market rate, but since they were allowed to come over, the "fair market rate" has substantially dropped.

Wait a minute, why create a scenario?
George Bush: We have a shortage of seasonal farm workers. Our people don't wish to do these menial tasks.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay then.
George:So what I propose to do is invite some Mexican folk over to help out our strapped farmers. They'll work for less money because they really need the work.
Me:How do you know they'll work for less money?
George:Because we do it all the time, but it's illegal. We've found the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore it because it's good for the economy.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay.
George:So what I propose is that we create a seasonal worker minimum wage that is a lot less than our already unlivable minimum wage of $5.35 an hour. These Mexicans really need the work because their kids are starving, and Taco Bell has 50 cent tacos on the weekends. That should work out pretty well.
Mekay George, I'm in.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: shilala
Wait a minute, why create a scenario?
George Bush: We have a shortage of seasonal farm workers. Our people don't wish to do these menial tasks.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay then.
George:So what I propose to do is invite some Mexican folk over to help out our strapped farmers. They'll work for less money because they really need the work.
Me:How do you know they'll work for less money?
George:Because we do it all the time, but it's illegal. We've found the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore it because it's good for the economy.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay.
George:So what I propose is that we create a seasonal worker minimum wage that is a lot less than our already unlivable minimum wage of $5.35 an hour. These Mexicans really need the work because their kids are starving, and Taco Bell has 50 cent tacos on the weekends. That should work out pretty well.
Mekay George, I'm in.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hr.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: shilala
Wait a minute, why create a scenario?
George Bush: We have a shortage of seasonal farm workers. Our people don't wish to do these menial tasks.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay then.
George:So what I propose to do is invite some Mexican folk over to help out our strapped farmers. They'll work for less money because they really need the work.
Me:How do you know they'll work for less money?
George:Because we do it all the time, but it's illegal. We've found the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore it because it's good for the economy.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay.
George:So what I propose is that we create a seasonal worker minimum wage that is a lot less than our already unlivable minimum wage of $5.35 an hour. These Mexicans really need the work because their kids are starving, and Taco Bell has 50 cent tacos on the weekends. That should work out pretty well.
Mekay George, I'm in.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hr.

And it's not unlivable. Waitresses make less than that. Illegal immigrants make less than that and survive. You just have to do without a lot of today's luxuries.

 

[gutharius]

What can you expect from a store that capitalizes on child labor in third world countries. This is just one of the many reasons I don't shop there.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: shilala
Wait a minute, why create a scenario?
George Bush: We have a shortage of seasonal farm workers. Our people don't wish to do these menial tasks.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay then.
George:So what I propose to do is invite some Mexican folk over to help out our strapped farmers. They'll work for less money because they really need the work.
Me:How do you know they'll work for less money?
George:Because we do it all the time, but it's illegal. We've found the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore it because it's good for the economy.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay.
George:So what I propose is that we create a seasonal worker minimum wage that is a lot less than our already unlivable minimum wage of $5.35 an hour. These Mexicans really need the work because their kids are starving, and Taco Bell has 50 cent tacos on the weekends. That should work out pretty well.
Mekay George, I'm in.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hr.

And it's not unlivable. Waitresses make less than that. Illegal immigrants make less than that and survive. You just have to do without a lot of today's luxuries.

Yeah, luxuries like food and shelter.
Fvck that, I don't need it. I can live on Ramen noodles in a refrigerator box.
What the hell was I thinkin?

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: shilala
Wait a minute, why create a scenario?
George Bush: We have a shortage of seasonal farm workers. Our people don't wish to do these menial tasks.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay then.
George:So what I propose to do is invite some Mexican folk over to help out our strapped farmers. They'll work for less money because they really need the work.
Me:How do you know they'll work for less money?
George:Because we do it all the time, but it's illegal. We've found the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore it because it's good for the economy.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay.
George:So what I propose is that we create a seasonal worker minimum wage that is a lot less than our already unlivable minimum wage of $5.35 an hour. These Mexicans really need the work because their kids are starving, and Taco Bell has 50 cent tacos on the weekends. That should work out pretty well.
Mekay George, I'm in.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hr.

And it's not unlivable. Waitresses make less than that. Illegal immigrants make less than that and survive. You just have to do without a lot of today's luxuries.

Tips.

However, if you're raising a family on minimum wage... I dunno. In fact, I don't know of a good reason why an adult should be making minimum wage. Heck, some teenagers start at $7, so is the adult that worthless... or did they did they simply not "win life's lottery"?

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: shilala
Wait a minute, why create a scenario?
George Bush: We have a shortage of seasonal farm workers. Our people don't wish to do these menial tasks.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay then.
George:So what I propose to do is invite some Mexican folk over to help out our strapped farmers. They'll work for less money because they really need the work.
Me:How do you know they'll work for less money?
George:Because we do it all the time, but it's illegal. We've found the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore it because it's good for the economy.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay.
George:So what I propose is that we create a seasonal worker minimum wage that is a lot less than our already unlivable minimum wage of $5.35 an hour. These Mexicans really need the work because their kids are starving, and Taco Bell has 50 cent tacos on the weekends. That should work out pretty well.
Mekay George, I'm in.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hr.

And it's not unlivable. Waitresses make less than that. Illegal immigrants make less than that and survive. You just have to do without a lot of today's luxuries.

Tips.

However, if you're raising a family on minimum wage... I dunno. In fact, I don't know of a good reason why an adult should be making minimum wage. Heck, some teenagers start at $7, so is the adult that worthless... or did they did they simply not "win life's lottery"?

Fact:
A lot of people aren't very swift.

The aforementioned people are forced to compete with teenagers (and senior citizens) who are oftentimes much more capable. They end up finding it difficult to manage even the lowest of scuzz level jobs.
The answer is yes on both counts.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: shilala
Wait a minute, why create a scenario?
George Bush: We have a shortage of seasonal farm workers. Our people don't wish to do these menial tasks.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay then.
George:So what I propose to do is invite some Mexican folk over to help out our strapped farmers. They'll work for less money because they really need the work.
Me:How do you know they'll work for less money?
George:Because we do it all the time, but it's illegal. We've found the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore it because it's good for the economy.
Me:How do we know that?
George:Because I said so.
Mekay.
George:So what I propose is that we create a seasonal worker minimum wage that is a lot less than our already unlivable minimum wage of $5.35 an hour. These Mexicans really need the work because their kids are starving, and Taco Bell has 50 cent tacos on the weekends. That should work out pretty well.
Mekay George, I'm in.

Minimum wage is $5.15/hr.

And it's not unlivable. Waitresses make less than that. Illegal immigrants make less than that and survive. You just have to do without a lot of today's luxuries.

Yeah, luxuries like food and shelter.
Fvck that, I don't need it. I can live on Ramen noodles in a refrigerator box.
What the hell was I thinkin?

This is a good article. Regardless of political affiliation, this is based on facts.

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2079

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I just can't read this thread title without seeing Daffy Duck in my mind.

Don't tell me I'm the only one!!??

I said "Dessssthpickable" the moment I read the thread's topic yesterday.
It took me an hour after I read your post to make the connection.
Man, my head is slipping.

 

[rh71]

:thumbsup: to Walmart.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
However, if you're raising a family on minimum wage... I dunno. In fact, I don't know of a good reason why an adult should be making minimum wage. Heck, some teenagers start at $7, so is the adult that worthless... or did they did they simply not "win life's lottery"?

See I was looking at it as a single adult. I don't know why someone that is only capable of earning minimum wage should have had children if they can't support them?

 

[TitanDiddly]

I loathe unions.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: mwtgg
However, if you're raising a family on minimum wage... I dunno. In fact, I don't know of a good reason why an adult should be making minimum wage. Heck, some teenagers start at $7, so is the adult that worthless... or did they did they simply not "win life's lottery"?

See I was looking at it as a single adult. I don't know why someone that is only capable of earning minimum wage should have had children if they can't support them?

Mr Obvious: Because they're stupid, stupid. We already covered that. Pay attention or go take a nap.
(Sorry about that, I could no longer ignore your childish ignorance)

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: mwtgg
However, if you're raising a family on minimum wage... I dunno. In fact, I don't know of a good reason why an adult should be making minimum wage. Heck, some teenagers start at $7, so is the adult that worthless... or did they did they simply not "win life's lottery"?

See I was looking at it as a single adult. I don't know why someone that is only capable of earning minimum wage should have had children if they can't support them?

Text

The United Food and Commercial Workers Union was not available for immediate comment but Claudia Tremblay, a cashier at the store, said many employees burst into tears when managers told them about the news Wednesday morning.

"Many people cried, including myself," Tremblay, 29, said in an interview.

"I'm a mother of two children and I'm separated from my husband. It's very difficult."

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: shilala
Mr Obvious: Because they're stupid, stupid. We already covered that. Pay attention or go take a nap.
(Sorry about that, I could no longer ignore your childish ignorance)

I'm barely skimming this thread, please excuse my selectiveness.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: shilala
Mr Obvious: Because they're stupid, stupid. We already covered that. Pay attention or go take a nap.
(Sorry about that, I could no longer ignore your childish ignorance)

I'm barely skimming this thread, please excuse my selectiveness.

That was the answer to your question...
"I don't know why someone that is only capable of earning minimum wage should have had children if they can't support them?"
Now you're back on track.
Let the battle rage on.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Some more powerful European nations may stand in the way of this though, but if we crush a few of them the rest will likely fall into submission.

This is really starting to sound like a plan the Nazi's thought up awhile ago.

Ah yes, the inevitable has occurred.

Godwin's Law

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I just can't read this thread title without seeing Daffy Duck in my mind.

Don't tell me I'm the only one!!??

I said "Dessssthpickable" the moment I read the thread's topic yesterday.
It took me an hour after I read your post to make the connection.
Man, my head is slipping.

Oh good I feel better now.