This is despicable.

Perhaps true.

But, what would you rather have? A $0.50 bottle of soda that is who-knows-where in the store because they just started remodelling, but haven't finished yet despite weeks of work because the employees are all so depressed - you go to ask someone for directions, and they can barely speak to you with civility because they hate their job so much (but try to put on a "happy face" that's pretty transparent because they know if they sneeze at you wrong and you complain, they get fired immediately)....

Or paying $0.89 a bottle and shopping at a store with a friendly staff who are essentially happy with their pay and benefits, greet you with a GENUINE smile, and really want to help you?

We've got both kinds of stores in town, and I'll pay the $0.89 for a happier shopping experience!

When dealing with such low level household goods that I would purchase at walmart I could give a sh!t less how happy the employees are at their job.
I do not feel that a markup of 75% of the value of the item is worth having some minimum wage monkey have a "genuine smile" on his face while he directs me right to the cheap ass product I want to purchase at walmart. That is just not a priority for me when I'm dealing with things like that. '
When dealing with big ticket items it's definatly a different story.

Well, then, the market will adjust and bring in other stores. That's all there is to it.

Sure, and they are going to be no different from walmart. There have always been these large stores that sell general lower end household goods. Kmart, ames, hills, fays, target just to name a few. So walmart can go, and another will take it's place and the cycle will start again.

Though the illusion that many push is that when walmart goes, "mom and pop" shops will flourish like never before. I don't think that is the case at all. A larger store where all of your goods are available in a central location is a natural progression. It's just like a market, except the proprietor who created the goods is not at the point of sale.
I don't know too many mom and pop shops that have these general household goods that many purchase at these larger stores like walmart. You can get plenty of good from local businesses, but you have to go to 15 different places, wonder if they will actually have it in stock, then pay fifty to several hundred percent more for the same product. Sounds great! Sign me up!
Usually you can go to a food supermarket and get what you need at comparable prices, but a supermarket and walmart type stores are nearly one in the same. Many of the supermarkets up here are unionized and I see no benefit as the customer. The product isn't any better, cheaper or more readily available. As for the workers, they are not any more helpful or happy at these unionized supermarkets and don't make much better wages. They are working at a low level retail job, how happy do you expect them to be? Does it really matter or effect me? No.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER

Originally posted by: Orsorum
Actually, she is, at least that's what she's told me. The union dues are deducted from her paycheck and she has no choice in the matter.

Just b/c she has to pay dues, doesn't mean she has to join. I know it sound ridiculous, but I can see it b/c she does beneft from the union, no matter if she wants to participate or not.

Yes it is rediculous. The Union leaders benefit from her dues, not the other way around. Those kind of unions are a mini-communism.

If she gets the wage that the union negotiated and possibly struck for, I think she benefits.

 

[rufruf44]

Its quite ironic and reeks hypocrisy that the average joe critizes CEOs for decisions like this, yet when the table turned and they're in the same position, they wouldn't think twice to do the exact same thing.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: spidey07
good for them.

unions = teh devil

Yep, I don't see their purpose in this day and age.

they have thier place, but not in retail.

What about in education? Healthcare?

definatly, retail and small businesses (<10 employees) are about the only exceptions to the rule as far as I'm concerned. unions are most necissary in work environments where safety can be a big concern, like manufacturing, drilling/excavation, etc.

But strikes cripple more than the employer. When nurses [for example] go on strike, they're endangering the welfare of the patients.

True, on the other hand most communities that would run into that sort of problem would/should help push/accelerate some kind of action to get the nurses back to work.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Why is this so bad?

Also, there is a P&N Thread on this, if anyone dares visit.

 

[amdskip]

I would like to know what the union was demanding before judging this.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

The only thing that unions do is steal money from people's paycheques. The idea of a union shop is completely insane too and I've never understood how it managed to become legal.

I will never belong to a union again. Never.
ZV

I'll give you my mom's story.

She's a nurse and the nurses signed a contract several years ago stating that they've reached an agreement on their salaries. My mom's contract stated that since she's been a nurse for 20 years, her pay is maxxed out. The agreement stated that she wouldn't get any more raises, but her pay would never go down, either. Everything was signed and done.

A few years later the hospital reneged on their contract. They said that the nurses will have to take a pay cut so the hospital can stay in business. The nurses didn't have much power to do anything, so they formed a union. The professional union reps knew all the legal options that they had. They were able to get the salaries for the upper management, and the details were quite damning. The management had given themselves pay raises which exceeded the money saved by cutting the nurses' pay.

Long story short, in a few years the nurses went from getting shafted to slapping the management's plan down. It wouldn't have been possible if they didn't band together and get an organization's (union's) help.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Martin
Topic Title: This is despicable.
Topic Summary: Walmart closes store before it can unionize

[/quote]

Why is it despicable???

This is great news for both Wally World and all Employees.

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of Wally World and the re-birth of real stores and real employees.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i don't talk to people in stores, especially the people that work there

i know where the soda is in walmart, they are all laid out the same way, so i can find the soda without any help. if they are unhappy working there, they can find another job (see my post about the "at will" employer/employee relationship)

Ahahahaha, I love seeing people post thinking they know what they are talking about.

Not all of the Soda is handled by wally World Employees.

Coca Cola and Pepsi take care of their own stock in Wally World.

Coke pays $8hr to stock Wally World overnight and on weekends, no benefits.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: spidey07
good for them.

unions = teh devil

F that the Wallyworld = the Debil !!

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i don't talk to people in stores, especially the people that work there

i know where the soda is in walmart, they are all laid out the same way, so i can find the soda without any help. if they are unhappy working there, they can find another job (see my post about the "at will" employer/employee relationship)

Ahahahaha, I love seeing people post thinking they know what they are talking about.

Not all of the Soda is handled by wally World Employees.

Coca Cola and Pepsi take care of their own stock in Wally World.

Coke pays $8hr to stock Wally World overnight and on weekends, no benefits.

Yeh and pretty much any vending machine is operated and stocked by an independent company. And just about any bread product on the shelves of a grocery store or sold in a fast food location is stocked by an independent vendor.

What's your point and what does it matter to this thread?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: spidey07
good for them.

unions = teh devil

Yep, I don't see their purpose in this day and age.

Well you are paying for Walmart employee's healthcare, food and such since they do not make crap on wages they use social services as their own subsidized benefit package.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i don't talk to people in stores, especially the people that work there

i know where the soda is in walmart, they are all laid out the same way, so i can find the soda without any help. if they are unhappy working there, they can find another job (see my post about the "at will" employer/employee relationship)

Ahahahaha, I love seeing people post thinking they know what they are talking about.

Not all of the Soda is handled by wally World Employees.

Coca Cola and Pepsi take care of their own stock in Wally World.

Coke pays $8hr to stock Wally World overnight and on weekends, no benefits.

Yeh and pretty much any vending machine is operated and stocked by an independent company. And just about any bread product on the shelves of a grocery store or sold in a fast food location is stocked by an independent vendor.

What's your point and what does it matter to this thread?

:Q

 

[daveymark]

It's a well known fact that walmart employess will get fired if they mention the U word. In fact, Walmart managment discuss anti-union propaganda at many of their "trainings".

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: spidey07
good for them.

unions = teh devil

Yep, I don't see their purpose in this day and age.

they have thier place, but not in retail.

What about in education? Healthcare?

It bothers me that education and healthcare are unionized. It's bad enough that the systems are so bloated with government beurocracy and regulation, and that their funding comes completely from local, state, and federal tax dollars. Then the unions step in and make it worse, while forgetting the important people - the children.

You are out of your mind if you actually believe that. While note perfect, the teacher unions have done ALOT for education of CHILDREN. Why don't you look up some facts before you type.

Which is why the teachers unions here go on strike for self-serving reasons. Am I to assume it's different elsewhere?

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
True, on the other hand most communities that would run into that sort of problem would/should help push/accelerate some kind of action to get the nurses back to work.

I would think most people in the community, as well as other nurses (I know my mother is) would be disgusted at what the nurses were doing. I'll check the news reports to get some quotes later.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Martin
Topic Title: This is despicable.
Topic Summary: Walmart closes store before it can unionize

Why is it despicable???

This is great news for both Wally World and all Employees.

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of Wally World and the re-birth of real stores and real employees.

Oh c'mon Dave, different store, same employees.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Unions is what brought in Walmart in the first place (everything got outsourced due to stupid unions, walmart comes along and sells cheap, dummy quality outsourced products).

Now unions will have to kick them out?

Unions is what caused this entire mess. We shouldn't blame walmart, we should blame unions. There should have been strick restrictions on unions during the early 90s or 80s.

 

[Red Dawn]

Labor Unions are the Bomb. A Carpenter, Sheetmetal Worker, Electrician etc would have to be crazy not to belong to one.

 

[VTrider]

Originally posted by: acid45
Unions are bad. In quebec we have lost lots of jobs due to Unions making the shops/bizs pay there employees too much $$$ therefor making them close and go over seas.


We do not need Unions anymore this day in age, work conditions are much better then before.

And from what ive read walmart has a pretty good plan for its workers...



FVCK UNIONS.


-Chris

Are you smoking crack or something? I guess things are different in Quebec then? Maybe Walmart has pretty good plans for thier workers in Canada, I'm betting the average American Walmart worker won't tell you that. Walmart is always in the news in the states about scamming employees out of overtime pay, low wages, ect.

IMO, it is foolish to think (atleast in this country) that unions are not needed in this day and age because work conditions are so good. With that attitude, Big-box stores, fast-food chains and mega-conglomerate corporations will quickly replace the 'rest' of our landscape. We live in a profit-driven capatalist society, we buy 'cheap' products and enjoy are standard of living off the 'slave-labor' of people not only around the world,but in our own backyard (Walmart employees for example).

Stop being sheep everybody and defending Walmart, Walmart would sell your Grandmother for a buck if they had to.

As for closing their store instead of unionizing, McDonalds do this all the time. I just don't buy that crap about loosing profits, they are two of the 'biggest' companies in the world. They can pay their workers a living wage and still make a profit period.

 

[Megatomic]

You know, most of the people I know that work at Walmart do it strictly for extra money, perhaps a side job or a PT job for the bored spouse who wants to get out of the house for a while. You people make it sound like some actually try to make their living working there.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
You know, most of the people I know that work at Walmart do it strictly for extra money, perhaps a side job or a PT job for the bored spouse who wants to get out of the house for a while. You people make it sound like some actually try to make their living working there.

Um. CLEARLY, since you know several people who work at walmart, you are qualified to speak for all of the company's workers. :disgust: How about night stockers? How about low-income workers? Don't forget many of these people are low-income persons working 2, maybe even 3 jobs to keep food on the table.

Your level of ignorance is shocking.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
Unions is what brought in Walmart in the first place (everything got outsourced due to stupid unions, walmart comes along and sells cheap, dummy quality outsourced products).

Now unions will have to kick them out?

Unions is what caused this entire mess. We shouldn't blame walmart, we should blame unions. There should have been strick restrictions on unions during the early 90s or 80s.

This is a typical answer. If it's not good, it's automatically horrible. There is no middle ground. The fact is, when they aren't corrupt, labor unions protect the interests of the workers a great deal than the workers can do on their own.

It's when they go corrupt that bad things happen, but that's true of everything. But nevermind that, because in the eyes of many who only see in black and white and are incapable of seeing color the bad unions make all the unions look bad...

 

[Haps]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I bet Wal-Mart had caused 3 small businesses to close THIS WEEK.

And rightfully so. If a business can no longer survive on the higher margins it was charging for products then it's time to lower prices, get out of business, or find something else to sell your customers to remain profitable(service for example).

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: mcvickj
Wow. That seems like a pretty drastic move.

Business is about profit. No profit, no business.

Not all that drastic. Just good business sense.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: spidey07
good for them.

unions = teh devil

Yep, I don't see their purpose in this day and age.

Agreed. That being said, I think I'm going to start trying to unionize Walmart workers in all areas of the country in hope of closing down more walmarts and producing some competition.