This is amusing

[Genx87]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/...eers.repair/index.html

"We shouldn't have to do this, but when it gets to a state level, it just gets so bureaucratic, something that took us eight days would have taken them years," said Troy Martin of Martin Steel, who donated machinery and steel for the repairs. "So we got together -- the community -- and we got it done."

That sad truth of it all that what these people did in 8 days and for free would take the state years of hand holding, studies, debating, and a minimum of 4 million dollars.

 

[MotF Bane]

It'd be nice to get an estimate from the volunteers for how much the materials cost them, just for comparison purposes. Good for them getting it done though.

 

[Hacp]

Chances are the state might tear it down since it won't meet "standards". The contractors have the local dems in their pocket.

 

[dphantom]

An excellent example of why government should stay tiny. The local people, working with private businesses, always are a more efficient user of resources.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/...eers.repair/index.html

"We shouldn't have to do this, but when it gets to a state level, it just gets so bureaucratic, something that took us eight days would have taken them years," said Troy Martin of Martin Steel, who donated machinery and steel for the repairs. "So we got together -- the community -- and we got it done."

That sad truth of it all that what these people did in 8 days and for free would take the state years of hand holding, studies, debating, and a minimum of 4 million dollars.

But everything will be soooooo much different once the feds run healthcare entirely - it'll definitely be run faster, cheaper, and better!

Or not.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

It's cool that they did that, but did they really take into account the factors that lead up to the destruction of the orginal? Did they fix the drainage so their new bridge doesn't get washed out next time it rains?

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chances are the state might tear it down since it won't meet "standards". The contractors have the local dems in their pocket.

"Thielen has been waiting, too. She wants the legislature to approve her Recreation Renaissance project, a $240 million booster shot to help fix parks across the state. Without it, at least five state parks may be forced to close, and there would be no emergency repair money to fix Polihale State Park."

What are the chances that the Republican Governor will support this spending?

Nice try blaming Democrats for this, Hack.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chances are the state might tear it down since it won't meet "standards". The contractors have the local politicians in their pocket.

fixed.


but i wouldnt be suprised to read that it gets torn down. they didn't use "Union labor" for it, its not up to "standards" and the city has contracts with local contractors. etc.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chances are the state might tear it down since it won't meet "standards". The contractors have the local dems in their pocket.

What does this have to do with democrats or republicans?

 

[theflyingpig]

lol. I'm not surprised. Everything to do with the Hawaii state government is slow and retarded.

 

[sactoking]

So long as it's built to code, it shouldn't be torn down. The article didn't specify, but based on the work being done and machinery involved, I'd guess that at least one person involved was a contractor/engineer.

Also, union labor/prevailing wage won't be an issue since government funding wasn't used and any existing contracts likely are also irrelevant since bridge repair is not an item commonly put out under a JOC (job order contract).

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
It's cool that they did that, but did they really take into account the factors that lead up to the destruction of the orginal? Did they fix the drainage so their new bridge doesn't get washed out next time it rains?

So, let it sit for 2-3 years or reopen it NOW with the off chance it gets washed out again? Who the hell cares if they fixed the other factors? They decided they wanted to fix the damage and did it without government money.

Hell, we didn't even fix New Orleans before we through billions at them.

 

[Descartes]

Using this as a political example is just silly. For every group of citizens that could build such a solution to code, there's likely a hell of a lot more that would build a dilapidated structure that would wind up with people injured or worse. This is a risk our society has decided we're aren't willing to take, and the regulatory snafus we experience are a direct consequence of that.

You can't have both: You have the relative efficiencies of developing countries and the consequences of moving too fast with no oversight, or you have what we have--America, a monument to order and the inefficiencies that go along with it. If you go to these other countries you see things that would never happen in the states, but the hand of the government in these countries just can't extend to every citizen. This especially true in countries with ridiculously large populations, rural and urban, like India and China.

So, the answer to me is pretty simple: Deal with the collateral damage of less oversight or deal with the inherent inefficiencies. This "But the gov is so inefficient" argument is getting so trite without considering the context.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/...eers.repair/index.html

"We shouldn't have to do this, but when it gets to a state level, it just gets so bureaucratic, something that took us eight days would have taken them years," said Troy Martin of Martin Steel, who donated machinery and steel for the repairs. "So we got together -- the community -- and we got it done."

That sad truth of it all that what these people did in 8 days and for free would take the state years of hand holding, studies, debating, and a minimum of 4 million dollars.

Perfect example of why big government doesn't work.

 

[Turin39789]

Who pays the tab when it collapses and there is a 15 passenger van full of tourists crossing it in a rainstorm?

 

[CLite]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/...eers.repair/index.html

"We shouldn't have to do this, but when it gets to a state level, it just gets so bureaucratic, something that took us eight days would have taken them years," said Troy Martin of Martin Steel, who donated machinery and steel for the repairs. "So we got together -- the community -- and we got it done."

That sad truth of it all that what these people did in 8 days and for free would take the state years of hand holding, studies, debating, and a minimum of 4 million dollars.

Perfect example of why big government doesn't work.

If there were no building codes or oversite you would have failing structures, much more severe fire dangers, entire cities collapsing in CA during earthquakes/etc./etc. We have an affiliate engineering company who does mainly inspections of residential complexes. The contractors try to get away with everything, ranging from installing siding with no proper anchoring to the structure all the way down to foundation shortcutting.

I have to give major props to these guys for having the gusto to build that bridge, I do hope they built it to code though because if they didn't it will be torn down and for good reason.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/...eers.repair/index.html

"We shouldn't have to do this, but when it gets to a state level, it just gets so bureaucratic, something that took us eight days would have taken them years," said Troy Martin of Martin Steel, who donated machinery and steel for the repairs. "So we got together -- the community -- and we got it done."

That sad truth of it all that what these people did in 8 days and for free would take the state years of hand holding, studies, debating, and a minimum of 4 million dollars.

Perfect example of why big government doesn't work.

If there were no building codes or oversite you would have failing structures, much more severe fire dangers, entire cities collapsing in CA during earthquakes/etc./etc. We have an affiliate engineering company who does mainly inspections of residential complexes. The contractors try to get away with everything, ranging from installing siding with no proper anchoring to the structure all the way down to foundation shortcutting.

I have to give major props to these guys for having the gusto to build that bridge, I do hope they built it to code though because if they didn't it will be torn down and for good reason.

Not to mention they would have to pay to get it removed and still pay a huge fine.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Descartes
Using this as a political example is just silly. For every group of citizens that could build such a solution to code, there's likely a hell of a lot more that would build a dilapidated structure that would wind up with people injured or worse. This is a risk our society has decided we're aren't willing to take, and the regulatory snafus we experience are a direct consequence of that.

Exactly, this is where government gets things done that citizens cannot.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
It'd be nice to get an estimate from the volunteers for how much the materials cost them, just for comparison purposes. Good for them getting it done though.

That and what wages would have been paid then the whole code/safety issue.

Yea it sounds good on paper but being the first was washed away and all this looks like is a steel plate I doubt it will last either.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
It'd be nice to get an estimate from the volunteers for how much the materials cost them, just for comparison purposes. Good for them getting it done though.

That and what wages would have been paid then the whole code/safety issue.

Yea it sounds good on paper but being the first was washed away and all this looks like is a steel plate I doubt it will last either.

Pay bazillions for a guaranteed safe road or pay a fraction of it for a road thats just a little less safe. I'd take the more dangerous road. It has more price/performance.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
It'd be nice to get an estimate from the volunteers for how much the materials cost them, just for comparison purposes. Good for them getting it done though.

That and what wages would have been paid then the whole code/safety issue.

Yea it sounds good on paper but being the first was washed away and all this looks like is a steel plate I doubt it will last either.

Pay bazillions for a guaranteed safe road or pay a fraction of it for a road thats just a little less safe. I'd take the more dangerous road. It has more price/performance.

Yea right then hacks like you come back in and say how the evil liberals make unsafe roads.

Look everybody liberalz are weak on *****.

 

[CitizenKain]

Ah, the single sample size that proves everything school of thinking.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Descartes
Using this as a political example is just silly. For every group of citizens that could build such a solution to code, there's likely a hell of a lot more that would build a dilapidated structure that would wind up with people injured or worse. This is a risk our society has decided we're aren't willing to take, and the regulatory snafus we experience are a direct consequence of that.

Exactly, this is where government gets things done that citizens cannot.

Citizens can't build bridges with design flaws?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/...eers.repair/index.html

"We shouldn't have to do this, but when it gets to a state level, it just gets so bureaucratic, something that took us eight days would have taken them years," said Troy Martin of Martin Steel, who donated machinery and steel for the repairs. "So we got together -- the community -- and we got it done."

That sad truth of it all that what these people did in 8 days and for free would take the state years of hand holding, studies, debating, and a minimum of 4 million dollars.

It`s nice that thesde people took things into their own hands and through community involvement made a positive change.

It`s nice to see people getting volunterring there time and materials to get involved...just like Obama suggested we all do!!!!

Ask Not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country!!

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/...eers.repair/index.html

"We shouldn't have to do this, but when it gets to a state level, it just gets so bureaucratic, something that took us eight days would have taken them years," said Troy Martin of Martin Steel, who donated machinery and steel for the repairs. "So we got together -- the community -- and we got it done."

That sad truth of it all that what these people did in 8 days and for free would take the state years of hand holding, studies, debating, and a minimum of 4 million dollars.

Perfect example of why big government doesn't work.

If there were no building codes or oversite you would have failing structures, much more severe fire dangers, entire cities collapsing in CA during earthquakes/etc./etc. We have an affiliate engineering company who does mainly inspections of residential complexes. The contractors try to get away with everything, ranging from installing siding with no proper anchoring to the structure all the way down to foundation shortcutting.

I have to give major props to these guys for having the gusto to build that bridge, I do hope they built it to code though because if they didn't it will be torn down and for good reason.

Agreed. If they didn't get the required construction permits, and didn't have the plans run through the proper regulating agencies for approval, and didn't grease the palms of the right people in the right places, and did the work on State or City and County owned roads/rights of way then I think that bridge and the folks who built it is in a lot of trouble.

However, I also agree on giving those folks major props too.