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If it is Trump against Warren:

Is all he has to do is call Warren Pocahontas 40 times to get elected? If so, this country is in a really sorry state.
 
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compuwiz1

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Warren has bigger problems than just being exposed as a fake Native American.
 
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ivwshane

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compuwiz1 said:
Warren has bigger problems than just being exposed as a fake Native American.
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Like running a scam university?
Like running a fake charity?
Like paying for sex or paying to have sexual acts covered up?
Like committing tax fraud?
Like domestic abuse?
Like being a sexual predator?
Like not paying contractors and being sued over 3000 times?
Like declaring bankruptcy multiple times?
Like not being transparent and not releasing her tax returns?
Like being friends with a sexual deviant and pedophile?
Like taking the word of a geopolitical enemy over that of our own intelligence community?
Like committing election fraud?
Like violating the emoluments clause?
Like using her position in government to enrich herself on the tax payers dime?
Like violating campaign election laws and asking foreign governments for help to get her (re)elected.
Like making daily gaffs via tweets?
Like staffing her administration with lobbyists and industry insiders?
Like abusing her power and using the attorney general to go after political enemies?
Like alienating our allies?
Like abandoning allies that gave their lives in our fight against terrorism?
Like wanting to cut taxes on the rich and big corporations bigly?
Like embracing support from racists and bigots?

I could go on but I’m genuinely curious as to what bigger problem Warren faces that eclipses all the above problems that currently plague the current president.
 
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REFRESHED!
RELIEVED!
SAVED!
A NEW DAY!

That is what voters will be thinking about come election day.
Seriously, Donald Trump is so negative, so nasty, so divisive, and so incredibly hateful that come election day people will be looking forward to a future without Trump.
It will occur to people at the last moment, WOW AT LAST WE CAN BE TRULY FREE.

It is in the human nature to look ahead and want peace and contentment. As long as we have Donald Trump, we will never have peace or contentment. And people really won't care about the stock market or the unemployment rate or Muslims or gays or abortions on election day. People know from experience that presidents have little to do with any of the above.
People don't buy the line that one president will lead to great depression or great prosperity.
People only care about how they feel, and when will all those TV campaign ads finally end.
But for people to believe the economy will tank or the unemployment rate will dive bomb just because of one president, they don't.

By the time election day rolls around, Donald Trump would have stooped to such lows, to such nasty name calling, to casting insults around that would turn your grandmothers hair gray. Well, a lot gray-er than it already is.
By election day, Trump will be soooooo yesterday. His rants and raves soooooo boring. His face sooooo much older and ugly.
Yes... by election day all of that celebrity charisma Trump won the 2016 election with will be all gone. All gone...
Instead of a celebrity in the Whitehouse people will see a nasty little man who has lost his way and who became so mean spirited. And people will not want Donald Trump in their future.
So, forget the economy or the unemployment rate, any president can handle THAT.
People will want FRESH.
NEW.
HOPE.
And.... will want decency and sanity back in the Whitehouse.
People will realize they can have they're every wish come true simply by kicking Donald Trump out of their life.
 
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Muse

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sportage said:
REFRESHED!
RELIEVED!
SAVED!
A NEW DAY!

That is what voters will be thinking about come election day.
Seriously, Donald Trump is so negative, so nasty, so divisive, and so incredibly hateful that come election day people will be looking forward to a future without Trump.
It will occur to people at the last moment, WOW AT LAST WE CAN BE TRULY FREE.

It is in the human nature to look ahead and want peace and contentment. As long as we have Donald Trump, we will never have peace or contentment. And people really won't care about the stock market or the unemployment rate or Muslims or gays or abortions on election day. People know from experience that presidents have little to do with any of the above.
People don't buy the line that one president will lead to great depression or great prosperity.
People only care about how they feel, and when will all those TV campaign ads finally end.
But for people to believe the economy will tank or the unemployment rate will dive bomb just because of one president, they don't.

By the time election day rolls around, Donald Trump would have stooped to such lows, to such nasty name calling, to casting insults around that would turn your grandmothers hair gray. Well, a lot gray-er than it already is.
By election day, Trump will be soooooo yesterday. His rants and raves soooooo boring. His face sooooo much older and ugly.
Yes... by election day all of that celebrity charisma Trump won the 2016 election with will be all gone. All gone...
Instead of a celebrity in the Whitehouse people will see a nasty little man who has lost his way and who became so mean spirited. And people will not want Donald Trump in their future.
So, forget the economy or the unemployment rate, any president can handle THAT.
People will want FRESH.
NEW.
HOPE.
And.... will want decency and sanity back in the Whitehouse.
People will realize they can have they're every wish come true simply by kicking Donald Trump out of their life.
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OK, well, I hope you're right. But I was aghast when Trump "won." I was depressed. I was mortified. I now regard him as a witch, a vampire, and figure he's a montrous menace until that cold steel sword goes straight through his malignant heart, pining him to the freezing, dark, muddy earth on election night. Only then will I feel like celebrating America again.
 
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Greenman

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Muse said:
Isn't she going to make the rich pay? Or is that just Bernie's idea.
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I think she said the same thing, a big tax on people making more than ten million a year. I did a google search, and it turns out that around 2700 people make more than ten million a year. I forget what all she was going to make free, but it turned out we needed about fifty thousand more people making over ten million a year to pay for it. My guess is that ten million cut of will end up being lowered a little. The sad reality is that I already pay all I can afford, there just isn't any more money in the pot for increased taxes. So while I'm really growing to like her, she's simply to expensive for my budget.
 
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Victorian Gray

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Greenman said:
I think she said the same thing, a big tax on people making more than ten million a year. I did a google search, and it turns out that around 2700 people make more than ten million a year. I forget what all she was going to make free, but it turned out we needed about fifty thousand more people making over ten million a year to pay for it. My guess is that ten million cut of will end up being lowered a little. The sad reality is that I already pay all I can afford, there just isn't any more money in the pot for increased taxes. So while I'm really growing to like her, she's simply to expensive for my budget.
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You want to know about her plans you don't need to do a google search.

The direct source:

elizabethwarren.com

Plans | Elizabeth Warren

Elizabeth has a lot of plans, but they’re really one simple plan: We need to tackle the corruption in Washington.
elizabethwarren.com elizabethwarren.com
 
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Greenman said:
I think she said the same thing, a big tax on people making more than ten million a year. I did a google search, and it turns out that around 2700 people make more than ten million a year. I forget what all she was going to make free, but it turned out we needed about fifty thousand more people making over ten million a year to pay for it. My guess is that ten million cut of will end up being lowered a little. The sad reality is that I already pay all I can afford, there just isn't any more money in the pot for increased taxes. So while I'm really growing to like her, she's simply to expensive for my budget.
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A lot of those 2700 people make way way in excess of 10M a year. Some make 1B a year, some way more than that. Hey Warren Buffett, a super rich guy lamented the fact that his secretary pays a higher income tax rate than he did. Back in I think it was the 50's there were people who paid something like 90% tax rate. The GOP has managed to shield the super wealthy. You like that? Do you really think that with Warren you'd actually pay more in taxes than under Trump? I think that highly unlikely.
 
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Greenman

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Muse said:
A lot of those 2700 people make way way in excess of 10M a year. Some make 1B a year, some way more than that. Hey Warren Buffett, a super rich guy lamented the fact that his secretary pays a higher income tax rate than he did. Back in I think it was the 50's there were people who paid something like 90% tax rate. The GOP has managed to shield the super wealthy. You like that? Do you really think that with Warren you'd actually pay more in taxes than under Trump? I think that highly unlikely.
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The tax rate was very high back in the day, but EVERYTHING was deductible. I've never looked into the actual amounts paid.
As far as tax rates from one of the progressive candidates goes, I've never seen actual numbers mentioned. UHC seems like it could be a wash, with maybe a little more tax on booze, weed and the like. Forgiving the trillion and a half in student loans and offering free collage to everyone seems like it's it's going to eat a fair piece of budget, but that could be offset by not fighting everyone else's wars for them, I just don't know. I need to see the numbers, all of the numbers, and not some made up pie in the sky crap. Lay out the budgets as close as they can be figured, do a worst case, and a best case, but they need to be honest about. It may turn out that with a few adjustments all of that can be done. What I won't do is accept the overused "make the rich people pay for it" budget. That will work out about as well as making Mexico pay for it.

A quick search says 25 people in the us make over one billion a year.
 
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Greenman

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brycejones said:
That might require actual reading and thinking as opposed to right wing talking points and bumper sticker logic.
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Why bother posting if all you want to do is shit up the thread? Muse and I were having a civil conversation and for inexplicable reasons you decided it was necessary to come along and crap in it. Go away and let the adults chat.
 
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Victorian Gray

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brycejones said:
That might require actual reading and thinking as opposed to right wing talking points and bumper sticker logic.
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I think that this was what he was googling about (bolding in original) He also got who would be taxed wrong. It's over $50 million, not $10 million. But hey why would anyone want to check the direct source for information. <shrug>:

"That’s why we need a tax on wealth. The Ultra-Millionaire Tax taxes the wealth of the richest Americans. It applies only to households with a net worth of $50 million or more—roughly the wealthiest 75,000 households, or the top 0.1%. Households would pay an annual 2% tax on every dollar of net worth above $50 million and a 3% tax on every dollar of net worth above $1 billion. Because wealth is so concentrated, Saez and Zucman project that this small tax on roughly 75,000 households will bring in $2.75 trillion in revenue over a ten-year period."

elizabethwarren.com

Ultra-Millionaire Tax | Elizabeth Warren

A two-cent tax on the great fortunes of more than $50 million can bring in nearly $3 trillion to rebuild America’s middle class.
elizabethwarren.com elizabethwarren.com
 
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