this figgit hates amehica

[Siva]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: intogamer
FUDGLY TOO!

Um....
He is dumb, but right. How are the people in Iraq protecting this freedom?
Dont get me wrong, i have two cuz in delta, and a cuz in the rangers. I support my family, and others sons and daughters over there. But how are they protecting my rights? From whom are they protecting them? The iraqies? Bah.

:shocked:

Just because he cant get his thoughts out while being bashed does not mean he does not have a point, and a good one. Here, look at this.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with a response. The military protects the government which in turn protects our rights given to us in the Bill of Rights. Where would we be without a military? We'd be under control of either the British Empire, Nazi Germany, or Communist Soviet Union. How many freedoms would you NOT have then?


Besides, that idiot is most definately wrong on all accounts towards his prime arguement. He is attacking the soldiers because he feels they make too much money and family receives too much benifits in the event of being killed while in service. That is most definately NOT the soldier's faults, if anyone, it would be the fault of those who create the pay structure. The guy's entire argument is full of massive faults, and thus any points he tries to make should be disregarded.

That's his argument? He doesn't make it very well.

However, on a tangentially related note, I know someone who faked illness (didn't sleep for days at a time) to get a medical discharge from the air force after only a month or so of being there. So now he gets half of normal air force benefits (pension) when he retires for just one month's worth of the only hard work he'll ever do in his life, while thousands of dedicated service men and women work their entire careers to get those benefits. That is a major flaw, but I guess its a very specific case.

 

[Sphexi]

Welcome to a MONTH AGO. Try searching first.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: intogamer
FUDGLY TOO!

Um....
He is dumb, but right. How are the people in Iraq protecting this freedom?
Dont get me wrong, i have two cuz in delta, and a cuz in the rangers. I support my family, and others sons and daughters over there. But how are they protecting my rights? From whom are they protecting them? The iraqies? Bah.

:shocked:

Just because he cant get his thoughts out while being bashed does not mean he does not have a point, and a good one. Here, look at this.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with a response. The military protects the government which in turn protects our rights given to us in the Bill of Rights. Where would we be without a military? We'd be under control of either the British Empire, Nazi Germany, or Communist Soviet Union. How many freedoms would you NOT have then?


Besides, that idiot is most definately wrong on all accounts towards his prime arguement. He is attacking the soldiers because he feels they make too much money and family receives too much benifits in the event of being killed while in service. That is most definately NOT the soldier's faults, if anyone, it would be the fault of those who create the pay structure. The guy's entire argument is full of massive faults, and thus any points he tries to make should be disregarded.

That's his argument? He doesn't make it very well.

However, on a tangentially related note, I know someone who faked illness (didn't sleep for days at a time) to get a medical discharge from the air force after only a month or so of being there. So now he gets half of normal air force benefits (pension) when he retires for just one month's worth of the only hard work he'll ever do in his life, while thousands of dedicated service men and women work their entire careers to get those benefits. That is a major flaw, but I guess its a very specific case.

The flaw is that he's a criminal. The flaw isn't in the system, but the nature of any system is for people to abuse it.


BTW,

Jeeeeeeeerbs!

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

I get the impression that this guy is paid to say it.

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: intogamer
FUDGLY TOO!

Um....
He is dumb, but right. How are the people in Iraq protecting this freedom?
Dont get me wrong, i have two cuz in delta, and a cuz in the rangers. I support my family, and others sons and daughters over there. But how are they protecting my rights? From whom are they protecting them? The iraqies? Bah.

:shocked:

Just because he cant get his thoughts out while being bashed does not mean he does not have a point, and a good one. Here, look at this.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with a response. The military protects the government which in turn protects our rights given to us in the Bill of Rights. Where would we be without a military? We'd be under control of either the British Empire, Nazi Germany, or Communist Soviet Union. How many freedoms would you NOT have then?


Besides, that idiot is most definately wrong on all accounts towards his prime arguement. He is attacking the soldiers because he feels they make too much money and family receives too much benifits in the event of being killed while in service. That is most definately NOT the soldier's faults, if anyone, it would be the fault of those who create the pay structure. The guy's entire argument is full of massive faults, and thus any points he tries to make should be disregarded.

That's his argument? He doesn't make it very well.

However, on a tangentially related note, I know someone who faked illness (didn't sleep for days at a time) to get a medical discharge from the air force after only a month or so of being there. So now he gets half of normal air force benefits (pension) when he retires for just one month's worth of the only hard work he'll ever do in his life, while thousands of dedicated service men and women work their entire careers to get those benefits. That is a major flaw, but I guess its a very specific case.

The flaw is that he's a criminal. The flaw isn't in the system, but the nature of any system is for people to abuse it.


BTW,

Jeeeeeeeerbs!

Perhaps, but I don't think anyone who serves just one month deserves those benefits. Especially with no permanent illness or disability.

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Whoops. I accidentally created another thread about this guy. So I'll just post my .... post (no pun intended).

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_love_jet_noise/2005/05/forsake_the_tro.html
Faking his own death, blaming the military, going out of his way to bash the military. My GOD. I'm sickened.

Edit: Haha, this thread isn't getting many replies. Typical ATOT -> too lazy to click links eh? So I've pasted some stuff:

Forsake The Troops

"This website is proudly dedicated to the notion that our nation's military is grossly overcompensated, at the expense of the American taxpayers. Even as the evil, overspending Pentagon seeks to raise benefits for these scumbags, Forsake The Troops believes that these pukes get pay and benefits tax free when in a combat zone."

Verbatim prolog. I kid you not.

Here`s more:

"Our problem is this: the military is a lifestyle these morons chose. What idiot risks their life for a country? It's what they chose. Forsake our Troops! They must think that if they go to war, they don't need to pay taxes just like the rest of us. Let 'em die in combat-- we don't need their ilk! "


As if that wasn`t enough I read this:


"Forsake The Troops politely suggests a boycott of heavy metal group Metallica, due their obvious pro-military stance."

Haha. Someone's response to Michael Crook (this is HILARIOUS)

"MIKEY" AKA "BUTT MONKEY" - I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD, DIDN'T YOU SAY SO? THEN NEXT THING I KNOW YOU ARE SELLING YOUR DOMAINS ON EBAY AND GETTING A PENNY BID (EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR SITES AREN'T WORTH TWO CENTS)AND EVEN LYING ABOUT SELLING THE SITES FOR 177.00. BRAGGING ABOUT AN ANNUAL INCOME UNDER 200.00 (THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY NEVER RECEIVED), AND SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE STUPID FOR ACCEPTING MILITARY PAY MAKES AS MUCH SENSE AS THE REST OF YOUR CRAP. PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY WOULD PROBABLY DO WHAT THEY DO FOR FREE OUT OF A SENSE OF HONOR, DUTY, LOYALTY AND MORALITY - THINGS YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO COMPREHENSION OF. IT DOES MAKE ME LAUGH THAT YOU ARE SO GREEDY AND YET DON'T HAVE TWO NICKELS TO RUB TOGETHER. YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF THE MILITARY FOR PSYCHIATRIC REASONS, SO YOU HATE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SMART ENOUGH TO SAVE US FROM YOU, AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY FROM THE LIKES OF YOU. THANK GOD THEY WERE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW YOU WOULD SHOOT YOUR FELLOW SOLDIERS IN THE BACK, THE WAY YOU DO VERBALLY AND IN WRITING NOW. I HESITATE TO POST HERE BECAUSE YOU CRAVE AND THRIVE ON ATTENTION - EVEN MORE THAN THE "RUNAWAY BRIDE" - IN FACT, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE YOUR NEXT BRIDE. OR WAS SHE REALLY JUST YOU IN DRAG? WHEN YOU PUT UP A SITE CALLED FORSAKEWOMEN.COM, I'M SURE IT WILL BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN REJECTED BY A WOMAN AGAIN. YOU ARE A REJECT. YOU ARE A SOCIOPATH. YOU ARE WORTHLESS. YOU ARE UGLY - YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE DEAD - DID SOMEONE TELL YOU THAT AND THAT'S HOW YOU DREAMED UP FAKING YOUR DEATH FOR ATTENTION? YOU WILL DO ANYTHING FOR ATTENTION - AND THAT MAKES YOU DANGEROUS AND SCARY BESIDES UGLY. NO DOUBT WE WILL BE READING YOU ARE IN PRISON ONE DAY FOR DOING SOMETHING HORRIBLE TO ATTAIN NOTORITY. I WON'T GIVE YOU ANY IDEAS, BUT I CERTAINLY CAN GUESS WHAT WILL LAND YOU IN JAIL, YOU ARE SICK AND OUT OF CONTROL. WHY DON'T YOU CHECK YOURSELF INTO A MENTAL HOSPITAL BEFORE WE ALL SEE YOUR UGLY FACE ON THE NEWS AGAIN FOR SOME TERRIBLE CRIME YOU DID FOR ATTENTION? MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET THE GUY WHO OFFERED TO REARRANGE YOUR FACE ON ANOTHER SITE DO IT FOR YOU - FREE PLASTIC SURGERY WOULD BENEFIT YOU. I AM NO PSYCHIC BUT YOU ARE PREDICTABLE. YOU ARE A TEXTBOOK CASE. I CERTAINLY HOPE THE FBI AND YOUR LOCAL POLICE ARE WATCHING YOU, I AM SURE YOU HAVE AT LEAST DRAWN THAT KIND OF ATTENTION - SO DON'T YOU FORGET IT WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT DOING SOME OTHER STUPID THING TO ACHIEVE RECOGNITION. I HAVE A FEELING YOU WILL DO IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK AND STUPID. I'M SURE THEY HAVE THAT FEELING TOO BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK YOU ARE SO SUPERIOR, YOU ARE VERY VERY VERY INFERIOR.
I WONDER WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR MOTHER, YOUR FATHER (THOUGH I GUESS YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ONE SINCE YOU ARE A SICK BASTARD). I WONDER WHAT KIND OF MONSTERS CREATE A MONSTER LIKE YOU. I HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SIBLINGS, SURELY YOUR PARENTS NO MATTER HOW SICK THEY ARE MUST HAVE REALIZED IT WAS TIME TO STOP PROCREATING ONCE THEY SAW YOU.
YOUR WIFE MUST BE THE TYPE THAT WRITES LOVE LETTERS TO SCOTT PETERSON IN PRISON, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN SMARTER THAN TO BREED YOURSELF, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR KIDS, BUT I'M SURE THEY WILL END UP IN THE STATE'S CUSTODY. MAYBE THEY WILL BE OKAY IF THEY GET AWAY FROM YOU AND ENVIRONMENT WINS OVER YOUR SCREWED UP GENES. I THINK YOUR WIFE AND KIDS ARE PROBABLY AS FICTIONAL AS YOUR DEATH IF THE TRUTH WERE KNOWN. YOU SHOULD BE THE POSTER CHILD FOR THE "PRO-CHOICE" CROWD, EVEN I WOULD THINK YOU ARE A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR SOMETHING I AM OTHERWISE VERY MUCH AGAINST.
YOU ARE AN UNGRATEFUL, DISGRACEFUL, UGLY, STUPID, AND NASTY SCOURGE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. YOU REMIND ME OF BACTERIA. I'M SURE THIS POST MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD, WHICH IS TOO BAD, BUT I WRITE IT BECAUSE I HOPE IT MAKES SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY FEEL GOOD TOO - THEY DESERVE TO FEEL GOOD, AND TO KNOW THEY ARE APPRECIATED, RESPECTED, AND HONORED, AND GET A LOT MORE RECOGNITION THAN YOU DO BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE, INTELLIGENT, HEROES THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SH1T LIKE YOUR WEBSITES - AND YOU. THEY ARE THE OPPOSITE OF YOU IN EVERY WAY. GOD BLESS THE MEN AND WOMEN SERVING AND THAT HAVE SERVED AND THAT WILL SERVE OUR COUNTRY IN THE MILITARY. AND MAY GOD GIVE YOU WHAT YOU DESERVE (A SMALL CELL IN A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON IN SOMEWHERE LIKE SIBERIA).

^--- Haha!

-TPG

And my other post:

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
You should see his website...
http://www.michaelcrooktalks.com/

Many people have e-mailed or IM'd offers to pay to move myself and my family forever out of the USA.

In response, I currently have two auctions progress at E-Bay; one is selling my domains, and the other is selling me...moving out of the country forever.

This auction is selling the domain names. The starting bid is $90 USD for 18 domain names, including this one.

And, this auction is for the moving. As of now, the highest bid is $152.50, and that means thus far, I am staying right here in the country.

Ha.....what a loser.

Oh my god!
http://michaelcrooktalks.com/flagburn.jpg
Oh.. my god... this guy......seriously.

-The Pentium Guy

 

[UncleWai]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: intogamer
FUDGLY TOO!

Um....
He is dumb, but right. How are the people in Iraq protecting this freedom?
Dont get me wrong, i have two cuz in delta, and a cuz in the rangers. I support my family, and others sons and daughters over there. But how are they protecting my rights? From whom are they protecting them? The iraqies? Bah.

:shocked:

Just because he cant get his thoughts out while being bashed does not mean he does not have a point, and a good one. Here, look at this.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with a response. The military protects the government which in turn protects our rights given to us in the Bill of Rights. Where would we be without a military? We'd be under control of either the British Empire, Nazi Germany, or Communist Soviet Union. How many freedoms would you NOT have then?


Besides, that idiot is most definately wrong on all accounts towards his prime arguement. He is attacking the soldiers because he feels they make too much money and family receives too much benifits in the event of being killed while in service. That is most definately NOT the soldier's faults, if anyone, it would be the fault of those who create the pay structure. The guy's entire argument is full of massive faults, and thus any points he tries to make should be disregarded.

Thank you! I was going to post but you sum it up perfectly.
Just because Hannity is a douchebag doesn't mean you people have to side with a figgit like this Michael Crook character. Colmes articulated better in this issue, but he always get the shaft by having very little time to voice his opinion.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: BlackAdam

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Xafgoat
the republicans probably pay this guy to be a douche so he can be a convenient target and distraction. Like ralph nader.

Yeah, I'm so sure... :roll:

Idiots...

Maybe you are the idiot? Ever think of that?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Damn, I get access denied on all his pages... at home?

 

[chuckywang]

This guy must have a death wish.

 

[Lorn]

Let me elaborate..

Fox is rediculous. End of story. This host is supposed to be bring the american public valuable news and unbiased insight on topics from around the world, not go around calling people names when he doesn't agree with them. He was extremely juvenile in his presentation. On the other hand, the other host who came in all of a sudden was actually on track and had a bit of sense.

This Crook guy has some points, although they are buried within fallacies and generalizations. Most of them just come out like garbage and are so disconnected that he can't even answer a question straight. I agree that these soldiers aren't protecting my freedoms (how is killing iraqi insurgents protecting my freedom in a country that is seemingly invincible?), and that they are the one "signing the dotted line" and that not all of them go over there to defend their country. Hell, look at the Army's own commercial: "Mom, I found a way to pay for my college..." I really think he's going at the wrong people though, as mentioned by the second host.

Edit: Oh, and how does he 'hate america'?

 

[Goosemaster]

That guy was an idiot who had only begun to understand what the fvk he was talking about. His train of thought didn?t even begin to understand the legitimate point, that this war was initiated on wayward pretences, and that it doesn't necessarily protect or affirm our freedoms, but only serves to affirm our power and dominance as the most ruthless superpower.

That douche could never understand something like that.
Instead he played upon the patriotism on that many soldiers base their choice to enlist on. In its most crude form patriotism is ignorance and arrogance, but that is only if taken out of context. We live in a society where patriotism can actually result in the eventual actualization of peace. We live in a society where sometimes war is needed to beget peace. Simply painting patriotism in its most raw form removes any sense composure that his argument might somehow have attained.

Most people believe in peace, however incompetent at achieving it they might be.
I believe in peace.

That said, I understand that this war is not about protecting out freedom.
I understand that the men fighting out there are not protecting our freedom.
I understand that they went by choice.
I understand that I am paying for their ( sh!tty, frankly) housing.
I understand that they might get paid a lot.

That said, I respect them. Immensely. They love their country. They love their country so much as to fight blindly, arrogantly, with seemingly inexhaustable passion, because it demands it of them. If my years of years of schooling had not included culture, my immediate reaction would be to shun them for their blindness in the face of truth, but alas; the greatest poet laureates, the greatest writers, the greatest artists, and especially the greatest orators of all time tell me that I should respect them for their humanity, for their dedication and passion, if you will, in actuating their desire for a better future for the collective.


?And so I do, because I would love to think the ideal, that this war could possiblly bring peace to the world's hell-hole, but alas, reality has jaded me



That said, the people at Fox should be fvkign ashamed of themselves for failing to properly own the guy. Hannity and Comes suck. Their arguments were as shallow and as generic as his were.


[/possibly-nonsensical rant]

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Lorn
how is killing iraqi insurgents protecting my freedom in a country that is seemingly invincible?

The standing military is what makes America seemingly invincible.

 

[amol]

the figgit? you mean the interviewer?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Lorn
how is killing iraqi insurgents protecting my freedom in a country that is seemingly invincible?

The standing military is what makes America seemingly invincible.

Yes, but how does killing a guy with a machete in Baghdad save Aunt Polly?

Hsi argument might be nonsensical, but you mmuch address it at that level before addressing the logical bigger picture. Otherwise, his point is not countered and he will ive happily in his dreamworld, disillusioned even, because he will think your lack of a direct counter point means that he was right


umm...basically, to be concise...sink to his level so you can help him out of the mud

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Amol
the figgit? you mean the interviewer?

Exactly. I thought they were asswipes?

Why wasn't I told of this..?


And no, I didn't get the fvkign memo:|

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Basically his point is that soldiers go into the military mainly for the perks, which I agree is true. Recruiters go looking for people that really have no better options than to join the military. Paying your way through school, military housing, getting to travel around the world. I'd agree that most soldiers join up for these reasons, but they do so with the knowledge that they are putting their lives at risk. When they get called into action they don't question it. The military is very much a hierarchy. They don't know why they're in Iraq either, I think in general our troops believe they should be in places like Afghanistan. We elected that retard Bush, TWICE, we put them there, and now we can't sit here and talk shyt about them being there.

 

[deftron]

His site got Haxxed


:shocked:

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: deftron
His site got Haxxed


:shocked:

link?

 

[deftron]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: deftron
His site got Haxxed


:shocked:

link?

http://www.forsakethetroops.net/


other site got owned, too

http://www.forsakethetroops.info

 

[cubby1223]

Look, I think the real problem in this thread is that people are trying to extrapolate from the interview and find some sort of reasoning out of Crook's arguements, because no one can really be that stupid, right?

Just go onto Crook's website, it is even worse than what was presented on FOX news. In his own format for expressing his opinions, he throws away ALL LOGIC.

Here's an entry he's made, judge for yourself:

How do the troops "guarantee" anything?
Submitted by mike on Tue, 07/19/2005 - 8:09am.

Oh man...it really irks me how many e-mail messages and comments I've gotten that say something to the effect of "The troops ensure your right to say what you want". or "They ensure our freedom".

My question is: how in the hell can any logical person say that, and believe it as truth?

I'm not just talking about the current war, but how, in any of our wars did the troops do anything to directly protect our freedoms?

Think about it logically: if we hadn't nuked Japan in retaliation for Pearl Harbor, they would not, as one national radio host told me on-air, have taken us over. We'd still have our free speech, and all of our other rights.

Text Take a read of this page, and his reply to comments are in italics at the bottom.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Siva
He looks like the guy from perfect strangers. I'm only halfway through, but this commentator is an idiot. He's spewing propaganda. The current crop of troops does not give us any freedoms.

So, if we didn't have troops, would you protect us?


THEY PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS EVERYDAY, WAR TIME OR NOT!!!!!!

Yes their doing it just by being in the army. But this kid is doing this because he does not believe in the war. The current troops fighting in iraq are not protecting my freedoms.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: intogamer
FUDGLY TOO!

Um....
He is dumb, but right. How are the people in Iraq protecting this freedom?
Dont get me wrong, i have two cuz in delta, and a cuz in the rangers. I support my family, and others sons and daughters over there. But how are they protecting my rights? From whom are they protecting them? The iraqies? Bah.

:shocked:

Just because he cant get his thoughts out while being bashed does not mean he does not have a point, and a good one. Here, look at this.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with a response. The military protects the government which in turn protects our rights given to us in the Bill of Rights. Where would we be without a military? We'd be under control of either the British Empire, Nazi Germany, or Communist Soviet Union. How many freedoms would you NOT have then?


Besides, that idiot is most definately wrong on all accounts towards his prime arguement. He is attacking the soldiers because he feels they make too much money and family receives too much benifits in the event of being killed while in service. That is most definately NOT the soldier's faults, if anyone, it would be the fault of those who create the pay structure. The guy's entire argument is full of massive faults, and thus any points he tries to make should be disregarded.

Yes, he is stupid, and his main points not to intelligent. Yes you are right, in the past the millitary has protected my rights. Yes they are still doing it just by being the millitary. What does Iraq have anything to do with protecting my freedoms though?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Yes, he is stupid, and his main points not to intelligent. Yes you are right, in the past the millitary has protected my rights. Yes they are still doing it just by being the millitary. What does Iraq have anything to do with protecting my freedoms though?

Read his blog, he's not just concerned with Iraq. He believes the troops were never needed (even dating back to the American Revolution), and that they have never once protected our freedoms.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Look, I think the real problem in this thread is that people are trying to extrapolate from the interview and find some sort of reasoning out of Crook's arguements, because no one can really be that stupid, right?

Just go onto Crook's website, it is even worse than what was presented on FOX news. In his own format for expressing his opinions, he throws away ALL LOGIC.

Here's an entry he's made, judge for yourself:

How do the troops "guarantee" anything?
Submitted by mike on Tue, 07/19/2005 - 8:09am.

Oh man...it really irks me how many e-mail messages and comments I've gotten that say something to the effect of "The troops ensure your right to say what you want". or "They ensure our freedom".

My question is: how in the hell can any logical person say that, and believe it as truth?

I'm not just talking about the current war, but how, in any of our wars did the troops do anything to directly protect our freedoms?

Think about it logically: if we hadn't nuked Japan in retaliation for Pearl Harbor, they would not, as one national radio host told me on-air, have taken us over. We'd still have our free speech, and all of our other rights.

Text Take a read of this page, and his reply to comments are in italics at the bottom.

wow...talk about nonsensical.