what the fvck makes them christians? because they call themselves a church? all muslims must be terrorists then if we are going to make blanket statements.
what the fvck makes them christians? because they call themselves a church? all muslims must be terrorists then if we are going to make blanket statements.
I could never believe in a religion that breeds folks like these.
But you say, "They aren't real Christians." And I say, "Oh, really? Well they can and do forcefully argure that they are the real Christians, and your watered down version is the fake one. Who's to know? And THAT, my friend is the fundamental flaw right there."
The bottom line is this: when a doctrine subject to intepretation puts forth that it is the absolute truth, all its believers are sentenced to inevitable destruction, for all the many interpretations (and interpretors) are armed with the belief that they are following the absolute truth. Implicit in that belief is that all others are wrong. All the religious wars in this world come from this simple flaw.
But you say, "They aren't real Christians." And I say, "Oh, really? Well they can and do forcefully argure that they are the real Christians, and your watered down version is the fake one. Who's to know? And THAT, my friend is the fundamental flaw right there."
The bottom line is this: when a doctrine subject to intepretation puts forth that it is the absolute truth, all its believers are sentenced to inevitable destruction, for all the many interpretations (and interpretors) are armed with the belief that they are following the absolute truth. Implicit in that belief is that all others are wrong. All the religious wars in this world come from this simple flaw.
oh geez not these guys again. didnt someone post a scanned image of a flyer from these guys a week or 2 ago? being a christian myself, its just really frustrating to see that there are people with these views who call themselves "christians". these guys are just fundamentally wrong.
shortylickens
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I think I understand what Dig Dug is saying.Originally posted by: rmrf
wtf
The bible was written by men, who are imperfect beings, (it even says this in the bible).
Then it was added to by other men. Then it was rewritten by other men. Then each of those rewrites has been reinterpreted by more and more men. All of whom are mortal and flawed.
Then another group of men comes along and tries to start telling people "this is what this book is really saying and this is what YOU need to do. Because we said so, thats why!" (EDIT: Those people are called "christians".)
Fvck that. I got no beef with god. I got serious issues with other mortals who try and tell me what god wants and how I need to live my life. Especially when they cant even get their own sh1t straight.
Is that about right digdug, or did I just totally miss your point?
Siddhartha
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Okay, I'll make it simpler:
Because the say so. Just like you or whoever calls themselves a Christian. And regarding their "christianness", who are *you* to decide? In fact, who is *anyone* to decide, right?
Yet you believe they are wrong and they think you are wrong.
See the problem? See why fighting occurs? See why I question what the point and validity of the doctrine that gives rise to this nonsense?
AreaCode707
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Honestly, I don't. All sects of Christianity that I know of, even the ones I don't consider to be Christian for more intricate theological reasons, share the basic idea that God is love and we are his followers and love God. Hate (at the VERY least, hate of God) is the antithesis of Christianity.
Even if God does not like those people's lifestyle choices (which I have no opinion on since I cannot speak for him/her). The Bible also says not to judge others as that is God's "job." These people are fvcked up.
What did Pat Robertson *just* say about Ariel Sharon? Is he not in your viewfinder of Christianity?
Oh I guess because he doesn't agree with you, he's not a Christian, right? What do say to his identical statement about you? Who's right? Where's the "guidance" of Christianity here? What has the doctrine done other than give people superiority complexes?
K1052
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Phelps is a notorious publicity hound.
Personally, I'd lure them onto private property and say they were trespassers when the coroner comes to pick up the bodies.
This kind of tactic is unforgivable as it imprints itself on the memories of the aggrieved.
Personally, I'd lure them onto private property and say they were trespassers when the coroner comes to pick up the bodies.
This kind of tactic is unforgivable as it imprints itself on the memories of the aggrieved.
The Bible orders death to homosexuals:
Leviticus 18:22 "You [masculine] shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
Leviticus 20:13:"If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them."
So, in light of the Bible, who is the true Christian? You or them? Where is God's love, Hotchic, for all mankind?
Oh a few other fun facts...
Did you know the Bible also advocates the stoning on one's children if they repeatedly disobey:
Deuteronomy 21: 18-21: "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him
to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
Did you know the Bible also orders the execution of adulterers:
Deuteronomy 22:22: "If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall purge the evil from Israel."
Are those women in business suits ready for the hellfire?:
Deuteronomy 22: 5: "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."
So tell me? What does the Bible really mean for you? Its amazing how many "Christians" are around here who haven't even read the Bible. And for those "fvcked up people" who, in reality, are the more pious for actually following the wrathful writings of God, you simply label them as non-Christian. WOW.
AreaCode707
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What *did* he just say? (I honestly don't know.)
Anyhow, I said that the thing they all have in common is love of God, not necessarily love of each other. If, in their statements, they SAY they are promoting hate of God, that seems to me really out of the bounds of Christian. Not anything to do with agreeing with me, but agreeing with the basic principle that makes up the religion. I'd say, in this case, that majority and history rules. Honestly, if you don't look at context like that, you can successfully argue the definition of any word or concept.
Didn't even have to click or read to know who is behind this. The WBC is not even a church...it's a bunch of asshats.
The thing is....giving free speech means that everyone (including these psychotic morons) get to have free speech.
Picketting funerals of the soldiers who died so that they can have the freedom to pickett....they don't even realize.
They need to burn in hell. A church is supposed to spread love not hate.
To be honest, I don't know. Who am I to decide that one part of the bible should be followed, but another shouldn't. Right now I am more interested in the laws that God has set out for the universe (astro/theoretical phyics) than the interpretation of the bible. Why? I really don't know.
I don't agree with him, but I am not *supposed* to judge people. Obviously I am human, and flawed; therefore, I do judge people. That is something I need to work on. I was just listening to a segment on a local talk radio station this evening that was discussing celebrities and their political views. While it is well within their rights to have their own opinions on politics, etc., they have an unfair advantage over a *normal* person because of their ability to push their views on others through the media.
This will backfire on them in some cases (Sean Penn in NOLA), but most of the time it is positive coverage. Pat Robertson also has this unfair advantage, and while he may preach things that christians believe, from what I've heard of him in the media, he is a radical that uses his status within the media to push his agenda. As a christian, do I believe that Sharon is ill because of God? First of all, I am not in any position to even think of making a statement like that, and second; no. Comments like that, along with the label of christian makes me sad.
Our state legislature (south dakota) is working on a law that would ban protests such as this at funerals and a couple other events.
This came after another soldier of ours was killed in Iraq and there were people protesting at the funeral with "IEDs are great!" signs.
Not sure how I stand on the issue yet but I guess someone is working on making it happen in our state.
This came after another soldier of ours was killed in Iraq and there were people protesting at the funeral with "IEDs are great!" signs.
Not sure how I stand on the issue yet but I guess someone is working on making it happen in our state.
moshquerade
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I am not a moron. I am the one who worships and invisible sky fairy.
Second, religion causes hate. To stop hate you need to end religion.
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