This American Life Mike Daisy Apple retraction story up...

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[Baked]

Ouch...

 

[Childs]

This guy has balls. Lies to TAL, comes back for another interview, continues to lie during the interview, knows TAL is catching him in these lies, and continues to do it. A reasonable response would have been to just say F you and leave the studio. Maybe its not balls....he might just be a psychopath. There is no real reason to lie about any of this, just disclose its a mix of fact and dramatic license. Especially lying to NPR ( or PBS for that matter), these guys go looking for the truth, not just sound bites like Fox News. Like in Pelican Brief... 😛

BTW, I love the 10 sec of dead silence at the 29:00 mark when basically asked, flat out, "why are you lying to my face?". And around 38:00 where Ira gives him both barrels. But man, he just really doesnt want to admit he's lying. I guess a liar just...lies.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

What's sad is the "simple" story now is that this guy was a liar when it should be that he was creating a dramatic story based on real events.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Maybe its not balls....he might just be a psychopath.

LOL no. You obviously have no experience with psychopaths.
If he was a psychopath he wouldn't be conversationally polite, he'd be talking over the other guy. He would project that there is no thought in his head but that he spoke the truth. He would attack the translator's account; then, if the assault against him continued, he'd go with righteous indignation and turn things on the interviewer.

They did not have enough to trap a psychopath.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

LOL no. You obviously have no experience with psychopaths.
If he was a psychopath he wouldn't be conversationally polite, he'd be talking over the other guy. He would project that there is no thought in his head but that he spoke the truth. He would attack the translator's account; then, if the assault against him continued, he'd go with righteous indignation and turn things on the interviewer.

They did not have enough to trap a psychopath.

Fact.

 

[poopaskoopa]

I can see why he lied. The story sounded more dramatic when those parts of the story were fabricated.

 

[micrometers]

to be fair, did you really believe it when it first aired? He did say it was a modified work of art.

 

[poopaskoopa]

to be fair, did you really believe it when it first aired? He did say it was a modified work of art.

I believed the things I heard, yes. I kinda shut off the detective part of my brain and listen to people sometimes and I did that when I heard the original TAL episode. The expectation that what I was hearing is factual added more drama to the things I was hearing when I first heard it. Sure, the some parts are kinda out there, like the highway just ending in mid-air and those Starbucks meetings, but I didn't think that the truth would be so much closer to a more mundane visit to China.

It now sounds like Daisey went to China, listened to a few people speak in Chinese with a translator, and somewhere in the trip he went to Hong Kong and listened to people talk about n-hexane. He also met a guy with a messed up hand, but it had nothing to do with working at Foxconn. That's much less dramatic than his piece. What he seems to have gotten out of his trip to China, it seems like he could've just stayed home and goodled the stuff.

This story benefits from the audience thinking that what they're hearing is true, and the truth is so much worse than what they think they know. That's why it's not so "out there" like "Apple makes iPads from minced Chinese people."

 

[Childs]

LOL no. You obviously have no experience with psychopaths.

hahaha, correct. I dont think I've ever known any, but he seems to exhibit half of the characteristics as defined by Wikipedia. I'm using a theatrical interpretation of his personality based on the interview to infer he exhibits the other psychotic traits.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

LOL no. You obviously have no experience with psychopaths.
If he was a psychopath he wouldn't be conversationally polite, he'd be talking over the other guy. He would project that there is no thought in his head but that he spoke the truth. He would attack the translator's account; then, if the assault against him continued, he'd go with righteous indignation and turn things on the interviewer.

They did not have enough to trap a psychopath.

So pretty much how P&N opperates.

 

[AstroManLuca]

BTW, I love the 10 sec of dead silence at the 29:00 mark when basically asked, flat out, "why are you lying to my face?". And around 38:00 where Ira gives him both barrels. But man, he just really doesnt want to admit he's lying. I guess a liar just...lies.

Haha yeah I heard that part last weekend. Gold. Loved listening to that creep squirm.:twisted:

 

[DominionSeraph]

hahaha, correct. I dont think I've ever known any, but he seems to exhibit half of the characteristics as defined by Wikipedia.

Yeah, the thing is, you can't tell the difference between a psychopath and a normal person in a single encounter. A psychopath uses the exact same toolset as anyone else and so they hide in plain sight. It's only after repeated encounters which show habitual and deep abuse of those social tools that you can uncover them.

So pretty much how P&N opperates.

Yup. Only in a psychopath's case they really do have to convince the other person, as they're trying to get something out of them. With P&N the conservatives are satisfied as long as they've convinced themselves.
So psychopathy takes skill, while conservatism only takes stupidity.

 

[Drako]

So psychopathy takes skill, while conservatism only takes stupidity.

LOL, wow! :biggrin:

 

[Dirigible]

What's sad is the "simple" story now is that this guy was a liar when it should be that he was creating a dramatic story based on real events.

Pretty much.


I've been to a number of Mike's shows. He is very entertaining if you like monologues. He is not a journalist.