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Third-grader suspended for taking multi-vitamin

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Zakath15 That teaches the parents not to disobey clearly stated school rules.
Meanwhile, the kid gets an F on all his assignments for the next week, and gets behind in class.

If you would read the entire thread, you would realize that Zakath agrees that the kid is the one getting punished. If the parents didn't like the policy then they should write a letter to the school board.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: yamahaXS
Zero Tolerance is a screwed up policy because it takes away administrations ability to review each violation in a case by case manner.

You used 1 wrong word in your statement. Substitute ability with responsibility and you'll have your answer as to why these policies exist.

i don't think so.

 
Only 5 days for a multi-vitamin? Why not expel him and give him a $100 gift certificate to McDonald's. That'll teach him.
 
Damn 3-rd grade drug users! Next thing you know, they'll be inhaling pencil dust and touching each other after class! 🙂
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: notfred
zero tolerance = zero intelligence.

The damn pill was probably shaped liked dino the dinosaur and came out of a "flintsone kids" multi-vitamin bottle.

The concern they had is retarded, as well: "The concern is that another student, possibly allergic to the substance, could have taken it."

Some people are allergig to peanuts. Do they not allow PBJ sandwhiches to be brought to school?
Some schools don't allow PB&J anymore. There was a big blow up about it around here around the middle of last year. Finally the school board decided that it would be stupid to not allow the kids to bring that kind of lunch. They instituted a policy where kids with known food allergies can eat in a separate lunch area if they wish.

Which makes me wonder something....what the hell has happened with this generation of kids? I'm only 32 but I can't remember anyone I knew growing up being allergic to peanuts, milk, etc.... I think it's somehow related to kids not getting to be kids anymore. Let em go outside and get dirty people.....they need a mud pie or two....helps build up the immune system so you don't have these weird allergies and problems. That's a discussion for another thread though so I'll shut up.

Nah, it's relevant to the thread....

When I was in school, there was the odd person who might have been lactose intolerant, or allergic to choclate, or had allergies to pollen or something, but noone ever worried about kids being allergic to peanuts or bread or air for chrissakes!. Kids nowadays just seem to have weak immune systems.. Could it be from growth hormones in animals?? Who knows... but it never bothered me as a kid... I still don't ahve any alleriges that I'm aware of..


 
Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Zakath15 That teaches the parents not to disobey clearly stated school rules.
Meanwhile, the kid gets an F on all his assignments for the next week, and gets behind in class.

If you would read the entire thread, you would realize that Zakath agrees that the kid is the one getting punished. If the parents didn't like the policy then they should write a letter to the school board.

Or they could listen to the school rules and not harm their child.

It is regrettable that the child was punished in such a way - however, at that age, the parents are the ones primarily responsible for the actions of their child - if it was a teenager who was bringing pills (vitamins or other) to school, I would say differently.
 
Originally posted by: blakeatwork
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: notfred
zero tolerance = zero intelligence.

The damn pill was probably shaped liked dino the dinosaur and came out of a "flintsone kids" multi-vitamin bottle.

The concern they had is retarded, as well: "The concern is that another student, possibly allergic to the substance, could have taken it."

Some people are allergig to peanuts. Do they not allow PBJ sandwhiches to be brought to school?
Some schools don't allow PB&J anymore. There was a big blow up about it around here around the middle of last year. Finally the school board decided that it would be stupid to not allow the kids to bring that kind of lunch. They instituted a policy where kids with known food allergies can eat in a separate lunch area if they wish.

Which makes me wonder something....what the hell has happened with this generation of kids? I'm only 32 but I can't remember anyone I knew growing up being allergic to peanuts, milk, etc.... I think it's somehow related to kids not getting to be kids anymore. Let em go outside and get dirty people.....they need a mud pie or two....helps build up the immune system so you don't have these weird allergies and problems. That's a discussion for another thread though so I'll shut up.

Nah, it's relevant to the thread....

When I was in school, there was the odd person who might have been lactose intolerant, or allergic to choclate, or had allergies to pollen or something, but noone ever worried about kids being allergic to peanuts or bread or air for chrissakes!. Kids nowadays just seem to have weak immune systems.. Could it be from growth hormones in animals?? Who knows... but it never bothered me as a kid... I still don't ahve any alleriges that I'm aware of..

Constant use of antibiotics and excessive cleanliness - kids don't build up immunities anymore.

<--- suffered from chronic respiratory infections throughout childhood, various diseases, etc... NEVER had antibiotics except in the most severe couple of cases.
 
Originally posted by: blakeatwork
Originally posted by: bGIveNs33 I agree with the school. If I see a 3rd grader taking a pill, I'm going to be a bit concerned. That's why they have policies like that.
I don't agree with either side o this... Yea it's fine for the kid to take a vitamin, but the parents should ahve sent a note with the kid for the teacher... if the teacher hadn't of flipped out about, it would have been a non-issue.. Used to do that when i was elementary school... I used to bring Vitamin C to school.

If you don't agree with a school policy, then take it up with the school board. The parents went directly against school policy. I don't care what you used to do in elementary school, this kid was violating school policy. The teacher was doing her job... what if she hadn't flipped out and let him take it. And what if he dropped his pill on the ground and accidently picked up another one on accident. Things like this happen.
 
Originally posted by: yamahaXS
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: yamahaXS
Zero Tolerance is a screwed up policy because it takes away administrations ability to review each violation in a case by case manner.

You used 1 wrong word in your statement. Substitute ability with responsibility and you'll have your answer as to why these policies exist.

i don't think so.
Sure it is....they don't want to be responsible....Zero Tolerance is nothing more than a big CYA policy for the school.

 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: yamahaXS
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: yamahaXS
Zero Tolerance is a screwed up policy because it takes away administrations ability to review each violation in a case by case manner.

You used 1 wrong word in your statement. Substitute ability with responsibility and you'll have your answer as to why these policies exist.

i don't think so.
Sure it is....they don't want to be responsible....Zero Tolerance is nothing more than a big CYA policy for the school.

Well, duh.
 
I might have brought some vitamin just so I can take a week off. You don't have to fake a fever, just bring some vitamin pills!
 
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
I might have brought some vitamin just so I can take a week off. You don't have to fake a fever, just bring some vitamin pills!

lol If only that worked in college...
 
3. Doesn?t necessarily know he is allergic to a certain vitamin.

I hope he finds out soon . . . someone could publish a paper on this 1 in a billion phenomena.

LOL i'm sure the school allows people with medical problems to use medication when needed. The school probably keeps it in their offices and gives it out to the student at the needed time, or maybe the let the student keep it in their locker. But for a 3rd grader it's best that he's not carrying around needed medication in his pocket running around on a playground and losing it.
People criticize the systems ability to educate . . . do you really think they are good at healthcare? I teach every child how to use their chronic medications (asthma, diabetes, etc) and inform schools about a particular child's needs. But ultimately the school is backup not the primarily responsible party. Yes, I mean the child . . . even in the 3rd grade.

5,000 people died last year due to asthma attacks. When an 8 year-old has shortness of breath (SOB) on the playground I don't want a teacher with no assistant to be responsible for providing emergent care . . . I want the kid to reach in his pocket and use his inhaler. The margin for error is quite high which is good b/c the kid might forget to use his inhaler or keep playing despite his health issue. But when he crumps onto the ground it's even more important that medication be at hand not in the principal's office or nurses closet.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: yamahaXS
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: yamahaXS
Zero Tolerance is a screwed up policy because it takes away administrations ability to review each violation in a case by case manner.

You used 1 wrong word in your statement. Substitute ability with responsibility and you'll have your answer as to why these policies exist.

i don't think so.
Sure it is....they don't want to be responsible....Zero Tolerance is nothing more than a big CYA policy for the school.

Wrong. The school's zero-tolerance policy is pretty much mandated by state code. It is unfortunate that the boy was suspended because his states lawmakers thought it wise to take away administrators' ability to review his incident as an individual case.


see here for more information on Alabama's Zero-Tolerance Policies.


link
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
3. Doesn?t necessarily know he is allergic to a certain vitamin.

I hope he finds out soon . . . someone could publish a paper on this 1 in a billion phenomena.

LOL i'm sure the school allows people with medical problems to use medication when needed. The school probably keeps it in their offices and gives it out to the student at the needed time, or maybe the let the student keep it in their locker. But for a 3rd grader it's best that he's not carrying around needed medication in his pocket running around on a playground and losing it.
People criticize the systems ability to educate . . . do you really think they are good at healthcare? I teach every child how to use their chronic medications (asthma, diabetes, etc) and inform schools about a particular child's needs. But ultimately the school is backup not the primarily responsible party. Yes, I mean the child . . . even in the 3rd grade.

5,000 people died last year due to asthma attacks. When an 8 year-old has shortness of breath (SOB) on the playground I don't want a teacher with no assistant to be responsible for providing emergent care . . . I want the kid to reach in his pocket and use his inhaler. The margin for error is quite high which is good b/c the kid might forget to use his inhaler or keep playing despite his health issue. But when he crumps onto the ground it's even more important that medication be at hand not in the principal's office or nurses closet.

Thank you Captain Obvious....

I was making a generalization about PILL medication being kept by school office. Not about things like Asthma and diabetes. If a 6-7yr old kid is taking Ritalin/Penicillin (things of this nature which other kids could have reactions to), it is much better in the hands of the office staff to give him when he needs it rather than him carry around a medication that could cause serious health hazards to kids who do not need this medication. I'm making a generalize statement, not about specific needs. OF COURSE there are different situations that require the medication on hand.
 
Rules and generalizations are for people who find thinking an arduous task. These policies DO NOT make schools safer for children without health needs while impeding the care of children that need accomodations. Yes, the parents are culpable for sending their kid to school given they were notified of school policy. But the system administrators/school board are morons for instituting such a policy.
 
As for your specific examples . . . Ritalin and every other properly prescribed stimulant medication for children has extremely low abuse associated with its use even when self-administered. Penicillin (although rarely used), amoxicillin, azithromycin- sensitivity/allergy risks are a non sequitur. These medications are rarely given for chronic conditions (sickel cell and cystic fibrosis being the primary exceptions) and often require no more than twice a day dosing, therefore can be given away from school.

Fe, Zn, Cu, and select vitamin deficiencies and conditions may be treated with supplements only. Many taste bad and/or have poor absorption characteristics. Accordingly, these supplements would be taken through the day with meals. Children are no more or less responsible than they are taught. Prohibitions against school medication/vitamins are a bandaid for more significant social ills that remain unresolved.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
zero tolerance = zero intelligence.

The damn pill was probably shaped liked dino the dinosaur and came out of a "flintsone kids" multi-vitamin bottle.

The concern they had is retarded, as well: "The concern is that another student, possibly allergic to the substance, could have taken it."

Some people are allergig to peanuts. Do they not allow PBJ sandwhiches to be brought to school?

Can't wait until they ban pointy objects, protractors and pencils, and hard objects, like rocks and books.

Yet another reason why my child will never step foot in a public school system.
 
"But school officials cited written policy, made available to parents, that specifically prohibits students from bringing to school vitamins and even look-alike candies. "

Guess that means Pez, smarties, and all other round, sugary candies are prohibitted.

Anyone remember those switch-blade combs people used to have in elementary school. Looked like a switch-blade knife but a comb came out instead. Today one of those things would cause a SWAT team to come to the school I bet.
 
Originally posted by: Jzero
It's just to protect the other kids. I mean some other kid could have stolen the pill and had an allergic reaction! Never mind that the other kid STOLE something...

And what if another kid is allergic to peanuts? Does that mean no student is allowed to take peanuts to school? The kid getting suspended is so assinine it is not even funny.
 
For immediate release.

A rare immune system disorder known as Cottonosis Type-II Complex exists which renders those afflicted with a severe allergy to all types of cotton. This disorder affects a tiny fraction of the population but still we must take action to ensure that we promote a healthy environment for everyone. Effective Monday, February 3, 2003, the county school system will be implementing a new zero-tolerance policy prohibiting cotton clothing on school grounds. Acceptable fabric alternatives include nylon, polyester and wool. We appologize for the inconvenience and hope that you understand why this action is necessary.


Sincerely,


Superintendant, County School System


 
Originally posted by: arcas
For immediate release.

A rare immune system disorder known as Cottonosis Type-II Complex exists which renders those afflicted with a severe allergy to all types of cotton. This disorder affects a tiny fraction of the population but still we must take action to ensure that we promote a healthy environment for everyone. Effective Monday, February 3, 2003, the county school system will be implementing a new zero-tolerance policy prohibiting cotton clothing on school grounds. Acceptable fabric alternatives include nylon, polyester and wool. We appologize for the inconvenience and hope that you understand why this action is necessary.


Sincerely,


Superintendant, County School System

My kid is allergic to nylon, polyster, wool, rayon, spandex, and any other fabric. Naked coed schools w00t! Then again, in some cases....yuck.

In other news, my kid is allergic to school administrators. Hence....

😉:disgust:
 
Geez, who are you guys??? If you're suburban parents you know all this. Of course the school will throw the book at a kid with a pill. Maybe it doesn't make sense, but who ever said schools make sense?

You don't: bring pills, drug-type or imitation drug-type objects, tobacco-type or imitation tobacco-related objects, any weapon at all even if it's for a report on How We Fought The Revolutionary War, or any item that could possibly be construed as a weapon (see previous about not making sense re: sharp pencils or deadly heavyweight backpacks); no bombs or bomb threats or joking about bomb threats; no commenting about teachers in email; peanuts (& nuts) are forbidden; no more homebaked items for bake sales, as they might have been made in kitchens with peanuts/nuts nearby; don't wear clothing with possibly non-PC sayings; no Christian religious references, though anything else appears to be okay since it is "cultural awareness"; and of course

No YuGiOh cards.

Ha, go ahead and private-school your kids instead - I taught in a private school and it was even loonier.

Don't get me started on school nurse drug-dispensing. Though in my son's school the nurse doesn't personally administer the drugs, an aide does. Since half (half!!!) of his class takes ADHD meds and a third of the class has Asthma, the nurse's office gets pretty busy.
 
Originally posted by: Evadman
Originally posted by: Jzero
It's just to protect the other kids. I mean some other kid could have stolen the pill and had an allergic reaction! Never mind that the other kid STOLE something...

And what if another kid is allergic to peanuts? Does that mean no student is allowed to take peanuts to school? The kid getting suspended is so assinine it is not even funny.

Sadly it does. I saw a story a couple of months ago on one of the news shows(20/20, 60 Minutes, Dateline, etc...) where some school district had banned peanuts from their campuses because something like 2 or 3 of the kids in the district had peanut allergies.
 
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