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Thinkpad T60 $894
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Muse
Lifer
The site says something like specials last until 12/11, so maybe it's that. It isn't clear to me, but I think I can suppose that but not hang my hat on it.
Pro vs. Home. Thanks for the link. I've been reading it and got to this line:
Home Edition does not include the Logical Disk Manager. Does that mean I can't assign drive letters? For instance, if I want my Pioneer DVD drive to be drive P: and it's currently L:, I'd be out of luck if I'm using Home Edition?
XP Home doesn't include IIS. I think I'm going to have to go Pro (although I don't know if or when I'm going to use IIS, I think I have to have the option). Also, if I find myself in another IT department and I bring my laptop to work, I'll be able to assume a more powerful role if I have Pro.
"Yeah, is it dead?" The site is up now
Am I right that I will have no serial or parallel port support unless I get the following?
ThinkPad Serial / Parallel Port Bay Adapter [$79.00]
I just checked how much this would cost for an employee (I am an employee) -- it actually costs more (the base price is the same within 50 bucks), but most of the upgrades are more expensive. As for how long the battery lasts, I would put my estimate at 3-4 hours (I have a T60p that they gave me at work). I think I got the 9 cell battery (the one that sticks out at the back). The battery life is very decent (compared to other laptops that I've had in the past). Also this one has (or at least claims to have) a smart charging algorithm, that prevents memory effect (I see that it doesn't start charging even if connected to power until the battery charge drops below a certain point).
http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/microsoft/vista/upgrade.html
Based on this page, I would recommend getting Windows XP Pro.
fbrdphreak
Lifer
They use carbon fiber reinforced plastic with titanium alloy lid. Quality is same and even better, some numerous improvements made with T60's.
http://www.laptoplogic.com/reviews/detail.php?id=112
fbrdphreak
Lifer
fbrdphreak
Lifer
Correct. No serial, parallel, or S-Video output.
fbrdphreak
Lifer
I don't think the Extended Service contracts are as applicable for consumers. Warranty service upgrades change your service terms and also depot vs on-site service. ThinkPad Protection Services are accidental damage coverage as well as standard warranty, depot vs on-site as well. Personally I think the ThinkPad Protection, that way you don't have to worry about breakin' things 😉
fbrdphreak
Lifer
The online EPP interface is TERRIBLE. If you want the best EPP prices you really need to get in touch with a sales rep and have them hunt out the best deal for you; after all, that is their job.
fbrdphreak
Lifer
Just a heads up folks: this is not a special, hidden link. You can go to lenovo.com, Products, ThinkPad, T-Series and get to this same page.
Muse
Lifer
I think you're basing this assessment on the following paragraph:
Lenovo is offering some great deals on upgrading to Vista: Purchase any Vista-capable ThinkPad® notebook, ThinkCentre® desktop or Lenovo 3000 product preloaded with Genuine Windows XP Professional and you qualify for an upgrade to Vista Business - you'll pay only the cost of shipping and handling. Or purchase any of these systems preloaded with Genuine Windows XP Home and you'll qualify for a mail-in rebate of the purchase price, less shipping and handling.
Note, it appears that the T60 and T60 are both Windows Vista Capable and Windows Vista Premium Ready, meaning that they will fully support Vista, perhaps with the help of some enabling drivers that Lenovo says will be available online by the end of this month.
Muse
Lifer
OK, then, could I get a reaction to these issues:
I have a parallel port printer, but have found that my D-Link DI-704-p ethernet router which supports printing on a network doesn't work with my HP4M printer. So, I print by having my desktop connected directly to the parallel port of the printer. I figure that when I want to print from the laptop, I can connect it to the network and print from the desktop, as long as it can see documents on the laptop.
To connect the laptop to the network, what will I want to do? Obviously, I can connect the laptop directly to my D-Link router via Cat5 ethernet cable, and that would be the fastest but not always most convenient means.
What would I need to connect the T60 to my other computers wirelessly (I have a second desktop, but rarely use it for other than backup) in order to support T60 internet connectivity, file sharing, backup and laptop mobility?
I'd like to connect a serial device to the T60 (it's not crucial, but it would be nice). I have a cable device which adapts USB --> serial. I used it for an external modem, but got completely tired of the recurrent problems and reverted to my internal PCI hardware modem (sacrificing a slot). Is this USB to serial adaptor apt to work with the T60?
Thanks for replies.
Muse
Lifer
FYI: It appears that 512 MB memory is insufficient if you get the GMA950 and run Vista. See post 2 in this 3 post thread:
Seeking opinions on T60 Lenovo laptop
It says, in part:
"Intel GMA 950 is chipset video with shared memory. That is not, by
itself, reason for rejecting it, this is a good, fairly powerful video
system (as mentioned, it will run the Vista Aero interface). HOWEVER,
Vista requires a MINIMUM of 512MB of SYSTEM memory, and when running
Vista/Aero on a GMA 950 system, 128MB of memory will be used by the
video system. So if you only have 512MB of total memory, your system
memory will only be 384MB, which doesn't meet the minimum for Vista
(even without Aero). Consequently, if you get GMA 950, running Vista
will REQUIRE that total memory be at least 768MB (and, in reality, 1GB
as 768MB, while physically achievable, will degrade performance by
blocking dual channel memory operation)."
Seeking opinions on T60 Lenovo laptop
It says, in part:
"Intel GMA 950 is chipset video with shared memory. That is not, by
itself, reason for rejecting it, this is a good, fairly powerful video
system (as mentioned, it will run the Vista Aero interface). HOWEVER,
Vista requires a MINIMUM of 512MB of SYSTEM memory, and when running
Vista/Aero on a GMA 950 system, 128MB of memory will be used by the
video system. So if you only have 512MB of total memory, your system
memory will only be 384MB, which doesn't meet the minimum for Vista
(even without Aero). Consequently, if you get GMA 950, running Vista
will REQUIRE that total memory be at least 768MB (and, in reality, 1GB
as 768MB, while physically achievable, will degrade performance by
blocking dual channel memory operation)."
Muse
Lifer
Can anyone speak to the fact that an upgrade to 1.5 GB memory costs the same as an upgrade to 1.0 GB memory ($99). Why would that be?
For whatever reason I see no 7% discount, although I accessed the Lenovo T60 offer directly from Fatwallet, following the links to the 7% discount. I am registered at Fatwallet. Any clue what's wrong?
fbrdphreak
Lifer
To clarify this and your post down below about Vista:
Vista Capable means you need 512MB RAM and some other stupid min requirements, Vista Premium Ready means having the properly supported GPU, 1GB RAM, and some other stuff. Yes about 99% of T60's are Capable, and many are Premium Ready.
Vista Premium certification requires 1GB anyway, even though you can run Aero with less.
And two points about dual channel:
*You can run dual channel with mixed modules
*It makes like <5% performance difference, it really is probably negligible.
If you're ordering through the consumer site, you can get 1.5GB for $99 more; that is a killer deal, a 1GB stick aftermarket runs about $100.
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