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Nebor

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I think you might enjoy the Air Force or Navy as an officer. It's not super stressful, and you're generally well taken care of and get to live in nice places.

Just realize that the Air Force sends people to support the mission in Afghanistan alongside the Army & Marines (and the Navy.) We had an Air Force Major w/ a wife and 2 kids, who had one of the cushiest AFSC's you could imagine get killed by a suicide bomber last month. Walk with the Army, die with the Army.

I don't regret joining the Army, even though it's been tough on me psychologically and emotionally (bitches be scandalous) and I wouldn't take it back if I could... but I would never recommend joining the Army to anyone that I cared about. It's run it's course for me, I'm counting the days until I get out. I just hope I don't have to see any more kids lose life or limb for nothing before my time is done.

FWIW from an Army captain.
 

EagleKeeper

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I think you might enjoy the Air Force or Navy as an officer. It's not super stressful, and you're generally well taken care of and get to live in nice places.

Just realize that the Air Force sends people to support the mission in Afghanistan alongside the Army & Marines (and the Navy.) We had an Air Force Major w/ a wife and 2 kids, who had one of the cushiest AFSC's you could imagine get killed by a suicide bomber last month. Walk with the Army, die with the Army.

I don't regret joining the Army, even though it's been tough on me psychologically and emotionally (bitches be scandalous) and I wouldn't take it back if I could... but I would never recommend joining the Army to anyone that I cared about. It's run it's course for me, I'm counting the days until I get out. I just hope I don't have to see any more kids lose life or limb for nothing before my time is done.

FWIW from an Army captain.

Dang Nebor; has it been that long.:\

I remember cheering for you when you became a butter bar:thumbsup:
 

OutHouse

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I just hope I don't have to see any more kids lose life or limb for nothing before my time is done.

me too. our mission is done in that shit hole. enough blood has been spilled its time to leave that place and bring you guys home.
 

ViviTheMage

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Good posts.

I am going to add your post, it was good info :
I went through the process and got commissioned as an AF Officer. I had similar thoughts and questions you have right now.

My journey was this: I went straight to a 4yr University out of High School. I join the ROTC and got my school paid for with a scholarship I competed with other ROTC cadets. I wasn't the only one who won scholarships, btw. My degree was in computer science. My purpose was to be a pilot. As a second year college student and ROTC cadet I signed my contract with the AF. At this time I obligated to finish my degree/school in the time I said in the contract. If you don't hold your end of this contract they boot you out of the ROTC program and throw your ass in Boot Camp aka BMT (Basic Military Training) and serve your committed time with the AF. Before going to Field Training (FT) at Tyndall AFB for 5 weeks, I had to take the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test (AFOQT). It is very similar to taking the SAT, that all High Schoolers know and hate, to get accepted to a college. The sections are very similar to that of a SAT but with two added sections. These two parts deal with cadets!
wanting to be a Pilot or Navigator, one section for each. If you don't care to be a pilot or navigator, you don't have to take this portion and just sit there while the rest of the cadets are in the room with you and take it. You get a zero, "0" and it doesn't count against your final score. Each section has a minimum score you have to get to continue with your course and your process on getting commissioned. Keep in mind, I sign my contract before going to FT, but only because I wanted to, the routine is to sign it after your done with FT and pass FT, yes pass FT. Unlike BMT/Boot Camp for enlisted, you have to pass "Officer" FT. If you fail FT you either have to pay back all the money you got from the AF or go Enlisted for whatever time they specify in your contract. I know people who have failed and were forced to pay back and go enlisted. If you want to know more about this part (Field Training) of the process let me know.

So, right down to your questions, you are getting a degree in IT, once you get to a certain point your Cadre will have you fill out a "dream sheet" to list out what careers or AFSC you want to go into. If and only if, those AFSC are available when you get commissioned will you get them. The AF or any other military branch will fill in the billets they need to fill. If you have the aptitude to do another field that they need to fill, they will put you there first. If coincidentally, your "dream sheet" and the AF's priorities and your background all match, then you will get what you ask for, most likely you'll be put in the Communication and Information Field, which is the IT field for the AF.

If you decide to enlist, you'll have to take the ASVAB test and a new AF entrance exam, not sure when they introduced this but they have it and you have to pass it. All of these tests have minimum scores you need to achieve before being considered to enlist in the AF. The main deal with all of these tests is to test your aptitude. Check online for example questions to these.

Even going this route, the AF will give you an option to create a "dream sheet" of possible AFSCs you want to get into. But, just as I mentioned above, certain things need to get align just right for you to get the AFSC on your list. The fact that you are already in your field, your ASVAB and other tests they administer to you will most definitely show that and you'll most likely be put in that field. Again, I said most likely. You increase your odds but it is not guaranteed. There are very select few AFSCs the AF is looking to fill. Like previous posters, the AF is over manned in lots of their career fields specifically in the IT field. Not to say you won't get in, or get in to that specific field but the chances are limited.

One way or another if you do make it through all of that rigor, and either get commissioned or enlisted in the AF, you have to pass a certain amount of time to qualify for VA benefits to pay off your school or school loans, etc.

Here is another thing, at a certain time, either your recruiter (going enlisted) or cadre (going officer) will have you fill out an SF86. This is your Standard Form to get a security clearance. Everyone gets a minimum of Secret or an Interim to Secret. The SF86 form, you could find it online, will request you put the past 10 years of your life. Don't omit anything. The biggest factor is your financial situation. If you have large debts before even getting to any of these previously mentioned steps, you'll be denied a clearance, and could disqualify you entirely from joining AF or any other military branch for that matter.

Once you make it through all of this, it's great. Working out 3 times a week in the morning with your buddies, going TDY all over the world. Having to be World Wide Qualified (WWQ) to deploy. Qualifying either on M9 or M16 or both or other weapons depending on your AFSC. Going through Chem/Bio Warfare training and exercises. Going through SERE training if you get a AFSC that requires you to go through that, staying in hotels and living the luxury lifestyle if you compare it to other military branches (Marines, Army, etc.) The military lifestyle can be frustrating at times. Dealing with Policies that don't make sense, etc. Not only having to follow State and Federal Laws as any civilian living the US, but you have to follow Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) laws and regulations. Being on call 24/7/365. But hey, if you are a true patriot, none of this should deter you from joining and serving your country proudly and volunteering to get deployed, instead of shooting your!
self in the foot intentionally to avoid deployment in the Middle East or other God for saken place.

Once you get out, depending what clearance you get while you were in, it will open career opportunities. Clearances are only given to people when they need it, to get their work accomplished. If you go in, talk to your supervisor and ask what positions required higher clearances and go from there, if that is what you want to do. This is years down the road from where you are now.

You might even get job referrals while your in active duty from the many contractors that work in the military arena. Network and socialize with everyone and those contacts will be extremely useful whenever you get out, if you do get out. Hopefully, you'll fall in love more with your country and the people who stand next to you fighting for our freedom and you'll become a "lifer."

Best of luck. Feel free to ask further questions. I hope I addressed your questions and provided some insight.
 

ViviTheMage

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One question I had, if I do good on the ASVAB, does it open up a lot of doors, or does it narrow down what I can do? Like if I do good on mathmatical and mecahnical, could I be placed in a mechanic job for some reason? Or does that just 'open up' more options that I can go into?
 

Platypus

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but I would never recommend joining the Army to anyone that I cared about. I just hope I don't have to see any more kids lose life or limb for nothing before my time is done.

pretty much this.
 

rasczak

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Oh, it'll be covered and still pumping along.

From what I read on the military forums, this year they're looking to fill 600 officer spots, ass opposed to 200 last year, so it's up?



thanks! I am only 25, i'll graduate at 27 ^_^...madgenius has a few employees, I do a lot of the big stuff though, bigger clients, and any AT clients still. I still own it though, so she;s mah baby.

Why not continue to build and grow your company? Makes sense to me if you are profiting?
 

ViviTheMage

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Why not continue to build and grow your company? Makes sense to me if you are profiting?

I know, I should, I am just in one of those moods, thinking back on what I wanted to do when I was younger...and having more 'access' in the future if things don't pan out.

VA preference, TSC, tuition reimbursement, and serving the country I live in :)
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I know, I should, I am just in one of those moods, thinking back on what I wanted to do when I was younger...and having more 'access' in the future if things don't pan out.

VA preference, TSC, tuition reimbursement, and serving the country I live in :)

If you have anything remotely successful going on in a field you like, I can't advise you enlist in the Air Force. The pay is shit. Whether you get good work experience out of it is a coin toss. You could be sent to a shit base. You're not guaranteed full blown clearance unless you're sent to places that you'll need it although if you get the right job you'll at least have most of it covered. Officer might be worth it since you can still make decent money if you really were hell bent on it, but even then I don't think it'd be a good call.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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I think you might enjoy the Air Force or Navy as an officer. It's not super stressful, and you're generally well taken care of and get to live in nice places.

Just realize that the Air Force sends people to support the mission in Afghanistan alongside the Army & Marines (and the Navy.) We had an Air Force Major w/ a wife and 2 kids, who had one of the cushiest AFSC's you could imagine get killed by a suicide bomber last month. Walk with the Army, die with the Army.

I don't regret joining the Army, even though it's been tough on me psychologically and emotionally (bitches be scandalous) and I wouldn't take it back if I could... but I would never recommend joining the Army to anyone that I cared about. It's run it's course for me, I'm counting the days until I get out. I just hope I don't have to see any more kids lose life or limb for nothing before my time is done.

FWIW from an Army captain.

Not if yur in the real Navy on a ship.
If you serve in the joke Navy then being an officer is low stress.
 

RearAdmiral

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i don't know about the chair force, but i don't see a lot of technical, specific skills employed in the army that transition to the outside world. all of that stuff is contracted out. IT admins, mechanics, electronics techs, cooks, construction, you name it, the army hires people to do it instead of using soldiers. there are still people that do that stuff, but not like it used to be where the military did EVERYTHING. the army used to train electronics technicians who would disassemble a radio, read schematics, trace the problem, replace the capacitors and resistors or whatever, and put it all back together and get it working again. they don't do things like that anymore, they just send it back to the manufacturer. similar for vehicles, they get repaired by contractors. or broken electronics get sent back to depots for repair. or computer networks are set up by contractors. even in field conditions, contractors are everywhere.

so a lot of officers are pushed towards the acquisition community - managing the requirements documents or the contracts themselves for buying and managing all of that shit. so with IT experience and a degree, you may very well be brought in as a 2nd lieutenant and funneled into that path. you may never touch a server. my cousin and i both graduated college with engineering degrees around the same time. he went into the air force, i got a civil service job with the army, and we both did the same jobs - acquisition. he never even deployed to iraq or afghanistan, he just worked on buying stuff. he hated it.

of course, during recruiting they told him everything he wanted to hear about all the great things he'd be doing. when he got there, it was nothing like that. which seems to be the usual approach for recruiters.

See you in Acq201b man.
 

OutHouse

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One question I had, if I do good on the ASVAB, does it open up a lot of doors, or does it narrow down what I can do? Like if I do good on mathmatical and mecahnical, could I be placed in a mechanic job for some reason? Or does that just 'open up' more options that I can go into?

the better you score the better the job. if you score low you get cook, cop or mortuary affairs (which happens to a in the same service category as cook. creepy as hell)

cooks work their ass off. from what i saw for day to day operation cooks are the hardest working career field in air force. once you get to your permanent yard, and going to the chow hall, take the time to get to know your cook and he will hook you up. be a prick and he will take your plate and slap down a MRE.
 
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Nintendesert

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That is debatable.




It makes it a whole lot easier to get hired in certain areas if you do have a clearance. Especially if it was up in the SCI area. It saves the company/organization a lot of money on doing the investigations. And you may even still have a lower level clearance so if you are trying for a job that only requires a lower level clearance it makes you immediately hirable vs. hiring someone that needs to be investigated and adjudicated.

www.Clearancejobs.com is a good place for anyone that held some sort of clearance.
 

jteef

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while the total force numbers are declining, the air force is always recruiting officers. Some years and some AFSC's it's extremely competitive, but the whole system counts on new officers in every career field every year.

I did approximately the same thing as you're thinking OP although the gov't didn't help with my student loans other than give me a job. I think an ROTC scholarship at this point would depend a lot on your grades and history; I suspect they'd have to be pretty impressive this late. I'm not up to date on what kind of loan repayment programs are out there, but they weren't very prevalent during my time. I joined via OTS, which at the time for non rated slots required a scientific degree (computer science didn't count unless you had 2 years of calculus IIRC). I left the service in '10 when they offered a 2x voluntary separation bonus and joined the defense industrial complex the next day.
 

ViviTheMage

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Vivi have you read this? it tells you every step you need to take to become an officer.

http://www.airforce.com/joining-the-air-force/officer-overview/

watch this chicks videos, i linked the one that addresses some of your questions. its only a year old and absolutely correct. my daughter has watched every one of her vids and realizes her old man (me) isnt full of shit. lol

http://youtu.be/Gyan-gSNZ8c

Finally got through her videos, pretty good knowledge, so was this guys :

http://www.youtube.com/user/Jovan14606
 

JEDI

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Been thinking this for a while, seems like a good way to get some of the school loans off my back and serve my country.

I have been posting on the military forums, but those guys expect me to know every term before I even ask a simple question, so i'll ask here.

I currently work IT, as a network administrator, and will have my BS complete in early 2014 (i'll be 27 years old, shit haha).

So I was thinking of going down the route of getting in with the air force as an officer, and then get out, and get a job with the one of the big government agencies out there, CIA/NSA/FBI, that sort of thing. It also seems to be very helpful when applying for jobs to have a VA preference.

So what jobs would be a good idea, assuming I can test into them, that I could take into the civilian world?

work for the Federal Reserve. they'll repay 100% of your TUTION (loans + scholarships + paid out of pocket):
year 1: 10%
year2: 20%
yr 3: 30%
yr 4: 40%
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total: 100%
 

GasX

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I still think I missed my calling as a PJ, so while I have no direct AF experience, I do wish I had joined in my younger years...