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Thinking for gaming ill go ips but, i see alot of 6bit ips?

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raknarius

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I thought the whole reason to go ips is for the quality of the 8bit panels and the display properties, so I start searching a lot of people recommend dell, but the popular models are using a 6bit ips panel. [redacted]

isn't the whole reason to go ips is because of the 8 bit panels, im looking for the best ips preferably 1920 x 1200 but would accept 1080p

I play all games, not just fps and I don't play competitively so im looking for the best monitor around 300 bucks, but really is the best monitor a 6bit ips???

if so why shouldn't I go 6bit tn.. im confused please help

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I thought the reason for going IPS was to get a nice 30"? Like the Dell U3014 or HP Z30i
 
raknarius said:
I thought the whole reason to go ips is for the quality of the 8bit panels and the display properties, so I start searching a lot of people recommend dell, but the popular models are using a 6bit ips panel. [redacted]

isn't the whole reason to go ips is because of the 8 bit panels, im looking for the best ips preferably 1920 x 1200 but would accept 1080p

I play all games, not just fps and I don't play competitively so im looking for the best monitor around 300 bucks, but really is the best monitor a 6bit ips???

if so why shouldn't I go 6bit tn.. im confused please help
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http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2155299

6-bit with AFRC isn't that much worse than 8-bit for most users. A graphics professional should of course settle for nothing less than 8-bit at bare minimum. But if you are only willing to spend $300 that indicates to me that you probably aren't too worried about getting that level of fidelity. Which is fine; e-IPS 6-bit with AFRC was made for people who want better than TN but aren't willing to pay astronomical prices. I use three e-IPS 6-bit + AFRC panels in Eyefinity and it works fine for me. My monitors do well enough that I score ~100% on the online tests where you have to place color samples in gradients. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm

P.S. I'm assuming you already know about the Korean monitors (27" IPS 2560x1440 Catleap, Shimian, Crossover, etc.) but if you don't, you can buy them off ebay. Or buy the ones Monoprice and others are importing at a markup for less than $400. These are grade "A-" panels that may have backbleed or other issues hence the cheaper price. The cheapest ones for $300 or so only have dual-link DVI and no other inputs, due to lack of internal scalers. They also have bare-bones or nonexistent onscreen displays which means if you want to calibrate colors it'll have to be via software only.
 
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Keep in mind that there are a few different types of IPS screens with different advantages. Some are designed for graphic artists, others are designed for gaming. Gamers don't need true 8-bit as much as they need low latency and good pixel response times. There are also cost differences.
 
blastingcap said:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2155299

6-bit with AFRC isn't that much worse than 8-bit for most users. A graphics professional should of course settle for nothing less than 8-bit at bare minimum. But if you are only willing to spend $300 that indicates to me that you probably aren't too worried about getting that level of fidelity. Which is fine; e-IPS 6-bit with AFRC was made for people who want better than TN but aren't willing to pay astronomical prices. I use three e-IPS 6-bit + AFRC panels in Eyefinity and it works fine for me. My monitors do well enough that I score ~100% on the online tests where you have to place color samples in gradients. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm
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I don't agree with BC word for word, but in general I agree with him. For many users the 6-bit eIPS panels are enough. Unless you're doing color critical work and need the additional accuracy and wider range of an 8-bit panel. A good chunk of IPS's advantage is the color stability (viewing angles) rather than the color range itself.
 
so viewing angle means nothing to me im always front and center,

quality of image is first for immersive gameplay, then speed, for less lag

so maybe I want a good quality tn panel since viewing angle doesn't do anything for me?
 
raknarius said:
so viewing angle means nothing to me im always front and center,

quality of image is first for immersive gameplay, then speed, for less lag

so maybe I want a good quality tn panel since viewing angle doesn't do anything for me?
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Maybe have a look in stores at IPS,TN,VA panels and decide what you prefer.

Personally I like VA panels due to excellent blacks and being 8 bit panels etc..

Obviously every type of panel has pros and cons and depends on what you use it for plus what your eyes prefer in usage etc...
One last thing, setting up any decent monitor with a good hardware colour calibration device does wonders IMHO.
 
I would consider a VA panel; better blacks, better contrast, and true 8 bit panels. I have one myself and couldn't be happier. Outside of VA and other super expensive panels CRT would be my next choice.
 
can anyone recommend a good va 24 inch monitor were 5 or 6ms so it wont be too bad in games around 300 bucks, something with a 3 yr warranty
 
How are *VA panels in terms of G2G motion blur? My Dell eIPS has a distinct smear when dragging a mouse cursor over a black background and from what I read, it already has a very aggressive overdrive. My old Samsung cPVA monitor didn't just have a blur; it had a motion trail. I can't imagine any newer monitors with overdrive being that bad 🙂.
 
Hi-Fi Man said:
I would consider a VA panel; better blacks, better contrast, and true 8 bit panels. I have one myself and couldn't be happier. Outside of VA and other super expensive panels CRT would be my next choice.
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Doesnt matter if they are true 8 bit or not, because the backlighting must be also capable of displaying a wider color gamut. 8 bit panels doesnt automatically mean better colors, only if you are misinformed. For example, we have the S2440L review from TFTCentral. True 8 bit, yet it's only 100% sRGB.

If you want wider color gamut, go for a professional panel. u2413, for example, proves that you can have a professional grade, 10 bit monitor without sacrificing gaming performance on an IPS panel. sRGB and AdobeRGB are both covered with this one.

I happen to have an LG IPS23EA53V-P: its a budget AH-IPS panel, even tho there is no review from the respectable TFTCentral guys for it, I looked up for similar panels from LG in their database and my bet it's 6bit with dithering. For the price it was a steal, considering it can do 75hz without frame skipping just fine. Colors are OK, and even tho I would really appreciate a true 10 bit monitor, price of the u2413 in my country is prohibitive.
 
I would be careful with VA panels as many are rather slow. TN of course is fastest/most responsive but has worst color accuracy and view angles. I think eIPS (with good AFRC implementation!!) is good enough for most people who don't need that last little bit of color accuracy.
 
PPB said:
Doesnt matter if they are true 8 bit or not, because the backlighting must be also capable of displaying a wider color gamut. 8 bit panels doesnt automatically mean better colors, only if you are misinformed. For example, we have the S2440L review from TFTCentral. True 8 bit, yet it's only 100% sRGB.

If you want wider color gamut, go for a professional panel. u2413, for example, proves that you can have a professional grade, 10 bit monitor without sacrificing gaming performance on an IPS panel. sRGB and AdobeRGB are both covered with this one.

I happen to have an LG IPS23EA53V-P: its a budget AH-IPS panel, even tho there is no review from the respectable TFTCentral guys for it, I looked up for similar panels from LG in their database and my bet it's 6bit with dithering. For the price it was a steal, considering it can do 75hz without frame skipping just fine. Colors are OK, and even tho I would really appreciate a true 10 bit monitor, price of the u2413 in my country is prohibitive.
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You're making an assumption based off what I said. I never said it equals better colours, I was just saying it's still better than a 6 bit panel with FRC given that both have the same backlight. If I want a higher gamut than sRGB I already know I'm not going to get it from VA but in the OP's case I don't think he/she needs better than sRGB (could be wrong).
 
blastingcap said:
I would be careful with VA panels as many are rather slow. TN of course is fastest/most responsive but has worst color accuracy and view angles. I think eIPS (with good AFRC implementation!!) is good enough for most people who don't need that last little bit of color accuracy.
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Allot of older VA panels were rather slow but with newer developments (AMVA) response times have gotten in line with many IPS panels.
 
Hi-Fi Man said:
You're making an assumption based off what I said. I never said it equals better colours, I was just saying it's still better than a 6 bit panel with FRC given that both have the same backlight. If I want a higher gamut than sRGB I already know I'm not going to get it from VA but in the OP's case I don't think he/she needs better than sRGB (could be wrong).
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And i showed you that true 8 bit can perform the same as 6 bit with AFR. Citing bit depth doesnt prove anything. In any case, i followed the premise in your post, which didnt mention backlight quality.
 
imaheadcase said:
You won't find a bad modern IPS for gaming.
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Please be careful with statements like this. Several modern IPS displays have high input lag and slow response times...specifically because gaming is not what they were designed for. To many, 'gaming' means playing (first person) shooters for which monitor responsiveness is a not insignificant element.
 
Black Octagon said:
Please be careful with statements like this. Several modern IPS displays have high input lag and slow response times...specifically because gaming is not what they were designed for. To many, 'gaming' means playing (first person) shooters for which monitor responsiveness is a not insignificant element.
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