Ok, that sucks. I called Intel 2x. The first time I called, I got Pakistan. The lady on the phone couldn't understand me, she kept asking me to repeat myself, finally I hung up. The second time I called, I got India. This lady kept repeating herself "How may I help you what is your question please". After 5 minutes of her stuttering every time I said something and then repeating herself, I hung up. Does anybody know if the 945GNT supports the 805d processor?
Once again, I'm not asking about conroe! I'm asking about the 805d!
http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/nt/nt_proc.htm
The 805 isn't listed as supported on any Intel motherboard. That's why I'm asking.
The way most of the people are thinking is just the way Intel has planned. I am a AMD fan but I can realize competition is good for customers. I was shocked by Core performance but using a handicapped AMD system really annoyed me. First, reviewers have already proven RD580 or solutions with dual 16x can deliver up to 10-15% more performance when paired with high-end, bandwith hungry vga cards. Second, we have been hearing of dual core optimizations in display drivers for some time but were unable to see something significant until we saw Conroe performance; I am quite suspicious over some hefty optimizations in intel-cooked display driver. Time will reveal. Third, this might be the beginning of a new SSEx game with unfair optimizations for a new technoogy.
I am surprized how people are trashing the current as well as future AMD64 technology.But remember that Core is not out yet and all these might be some optimizations that has granted it this performance level. Moreover, the current AMD64 technology is almost 3 years old and the new AM2 will update its specs. AMD did not like DDR2 high latency; What they are looking for is its higher frequency that can be paired with the new AM2 FSB.For Athlon 64 and Sempron a 333mhz FSB that paires with DDR2 666 and for the Fx parts a 400 mhz FSB pairing with DDR2 800. If DDR1 could reach these frequencies you could now see the real potential of AMD64. This kind of bandwith will give Core a hard time. Also remember that AMD is increasing cache (L2 and maybe L3). Shared cache is also something that will be seen in the future products and will bring huge performance gains. Based on the preliminary data of 200/266 async single channel bandwith of 3500mb/s a memory bandwith of >10k is expected in the final product and if Intel was going to compare its future platform, it was not fare to compare it with an infrastructure of >2 years old. I am sure the new AM2 will regain AMD reputation once again. But we all must remember that this competition between major players is good for the end users.
I am surprized how people are trashing the current as well as future AMD64 technology.But remember that Core is not out yet and all these might be some optimizations that has granted it this performance level. Moreover, the current AMD64 technology is almost 3 years old and the new AM2 will update its specs. AMD did not like DDR2 high latency; What they are looking for is its higher frequency that can be paired with the new AM2 FSB.For Athlon 64 and Sempron a 333mhz FSB that paires with DDR2 666 and for the Fx parts a 400 mhz FSB pairing with DDR2 800. If DDR1 could reach these frequencies you could now see the real potential of AMD64. This kind of bandwith will give Core a hard time. Also remember that AMD is increasing cache (L2 and maybe L3). Shared cache is also something that will be seen in the future products and will bring huge performance gains. Based on the preliminary data of 200/266 async single channel bandwith of 3500mb/s a memory bandwith of >10k is expected in the final product and if Intel was going to compare its future platform, it was not fare to compare it with an infrastructure of >2 years old. I am sure the new AM2 will regain AMD reputation once again. But we all must remember that this competition between major players is good for the end users.
Originally posted by: ormandj
Hi all,
I'm considering upgrading my aging pc (for cheap) until Conroe arrives.
I've currently got:
Athlon XP 2600+
1.5 gigs of PC3200
Asus A7N8X-Deluxe Mobo
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP)
It pretty much drags now.
I was thinking that a smart path to go would be to pick up an Intel 805 (I know they aren't that fast, but far better than my 2600 and only 150$), a motherboard that supports PCIE, get a new videocard (just a middle of the road, nothing too crazy), and 2 gigs of DDR2 ram.
My question is, does this make sense? The things I'd be spending the money on (the video card and ram) - would they work with a conroe system in the future? Or is it going to use DDR3 or something, forcing me to upgrade all of that again?
I hope this is the right forum, because it mostly relates to my processor choice, if not please feel free to move it where appropriate and my apologies in advance.
Thank you all for your help,
David
Buying DDR2 now is a waste because at the Conroe launch there will most probably be faster/cheaper DDR2 available.
Since you own1.5GB of DDR already, it would make far more sense to:
Sell your current system except the RAM
-buy an NF4 value board (like an ASUS A8N-E or something)
-get something like an Opteron 144 chip, which overclock to the moon
-pick up any PCI-e video card you like
This will give you good performance now and for the future. Remember, Conroe is 6 mos away, meaning at the EARLIEST you will have to wait 6 months, quite possibly longer depending on price/availablity/etc.
Just because Conroe looks great doesn't mean current-gen Intel is any less crappy or inferior than it was 5 days ago before the preview!
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My advice is that if you are gonna wait, you can wait forever. Because I heard, Peryn, the 45nm successor to Conroe MAY have integrated memory controller... Even if it doesn't it doesn't change anything. Intel will have a integrated memory controller in future CPUs, and that's gonna increase performance so much man...
You can wait forever.
I don't think Intel rigged the benchmarks. Because when EVERY aspect of the CPU micro architecture is superior, the performance is expected to be THAT GOOD. I haven't seen them rigging the benchmarks.
If anyone does, its AMD. AMD had a Turion with ATI integrated graphics claiming superiority against Pentium M using Intel integrated graphics. THAT, is called rigging.
AM2: June 6th
Conroe: July/August
Wait and be quiet, or don't wait and be quiet. NO place except people in forums and the usual anti-Intel shows that Conroe performance sucks(or even equal to FX60 @ 2.8GHz).
Charlie at The Inquirer agrees with Intel. And people saying Inquirer is not credible, some of the authors at the site are not credible, like the one plausing the possibility of VLIW for Conroe.
Because everything Charlie said about Conroe so far is strikingly right on.
You can wait forever.
I don't think Intel rigged the benchmarks. Because when EVERY aspect of the CPU micro architecture is superior, the performance is expected to be THAT GOOD. I haven't seen them rigging the benchmarks.
If anyone does, its AMD. AMD had a Turion with ATI integrated graphics claiming superiority against Pentium M using Intel integrated graphics. THAT, is called rigging.
AM2: June 6th
Conroe: July/August
Wait and be quiet, or don't wait and be quiet. NO place except people in forums and the usual anti-Intel shows that Conroe performance sucks(or even equal to FX60 @ 2.8GHz).
Charlie at The Inquirer agrees with Intel. And people saying Inquirer is not credible, some of the authors at the site are not credible, like the one plausing the possibility of VLIW for Conroe.
Because everything Charlie said about Conroe so far is strikingly right on.
Comparing notebooks is inherantly apples to oranges, but using the most common configuration for both notebooks is definitely not rigging. Most notebooks come with integrated graphics, that's intel's graphics for their chips and ATI's graphics for AMD's chips. Why not claim intel is rigging all benches by using ddr2? Cause that's the way it's configured by the OEMs and Intel. If everybody used ATI chipsets in Intel notebooks and AMD chose not to put one in their comparison THAT would be rigging.
Let's see what is out in August/September/October (whenever Core is acutually released) and compare that to Core on shipping hardware.
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