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No Lifer
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Used Hondas are worthless, especially if you only have like 2500 bucks. Toyota trucks suck, everyone knows this
Agree with that, $2500 buys a 1987 civic with half a million miles because Honda owners are basically assholes.

What about a ford ranger if you need a truck? Otherwise Nissan is fairly poor resale for an import so you can get a decent amount of Sentra for that money. I just don't know enough about domestics to say which one is good.

In your price range try and get a manual because it is a bit more robust of a transmission and will be less on repairs/replacement if you run into issues.
 

zoiks

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shoulda noted "manual" for hondas. every honda ive had has been used and know a LOT of people who have gotten cheap (<2000)used hondas and had good experiences with them. ive found that the engines go forever.

Define forever.
 

kornphlake

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Dec 30, 2003
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As mentioned that pontiac may have an intake manifold problem if it's got the 3.4l. I've driven a couple of them though and they are peppy and comfortable for the most part, if the intake gasket has been repaired I'd be okay with a grand am as long as the rest of the car is in decent shape. For $2500 you're really at the bottom of the barrel, even if you could get a great deal on a honda or toyota it might have as many problems as a domestic. Get a mechanic friend to carefully inspect any vehicle you're considering and you're more likely to find a good one regardless of the emblem on the trunk.

I drive a saturn S series I bought for $3500 7 years and 100k miles ago, it's had some problems but overall it's cost very little to keep it running. I figured it'd be dead years ago, now I've got money in savings to replace it but I haven't been given any reason to, it's had fewer repairs in the last 3 years than it did the first 3 years I owned it.
 

BoberFett

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Arkaign had excellent advice about how to search, and his Prizm is a fantastic deal. Buy that car before someone else does. Presumably you're a young guy without a lot of scratch and need some reliable transportation. That car he found is it.
 

Arkaign

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hmm... not really liking the looks of that car. But hell I got $2500 I shouldn't expect much right?

Any comments on the car I showed first? I thought it was a pretty good deal.

On the Prism/Corolla there :

That was a golden gen of those cars, really really stout vehicle in terms of reliability, and even when you need something, it's not going to be an arm and a leg. It has a kind of understated look that isn't all that dated, it's just exceedingly bland though. I know it's not an exciting looking vehicle, but if you get the typical experience from that vehicle, you're going to be able to enjoy a lot of virtually trouble-free miles out of it, and the fuel economy/insurance will both be about the best around. Although not a sports car, it also handles, brakes, and rides well. For the price range, that's about ideal. At this point it may be sold, but if not, I'd go test it ASAP. Your market appears to not have a large number of used cars available at any given moment, so a potential gem like that may get rapidly snapped up.

On the Grand Am :

I had an older Grand Am with the 4-Tech motor (not the Quad 4 incidentally). It was a tank as far as the motor and tranny went, and sounded like one too. It leaked oil, it shifted harshly, it was incredibly loud on the highway thanks to the lack of a 4th speed/overdrive on the 3-speed auto, it handled like crap, and it wasn't all that fuel efficient. Still, it earned my respect by never really stranding me. The interior was assembled apparently with toothpicks and used chewing gum, as just about everything from the headliner to the door panels came apart over time. Maybe it's just the hot Texas summers with lots of 100+ days, but that thing looked ready for the junkyard long before I sold it, still running, to a mexican dude for $200.

The Grand Am you posted a link to is a bit newer, but it came in some of the darker GM years. It's also priced a lot higher than the 'private party' value that should come with it. I can't imagine someone praising the fuel economy of that series V6, so it probably has the 2.4L i4 motor, which is perfectly adequate, although it's not as robust as the numbers make it sound. The throttle response is kinda mushy, and the sluggish 4-speed auto, while better than the garbage 3-speed in my older model, doesn't help matters any. I'd say confidently that you can do better, even if you still end up with a Grand Am. it just shouldn't be priced at nearly $3k. It's also somewhat unfortunate in terms of the plasticky faux-sporty styling that typified 90s Pontiacs. I'd rather go unnoticed in a boring car than be noticed in the vehicular equivalent of a Vanilla Ice song. Still, at the end of the day subjectives such as styling should take a backseat to fundamentals of common sense.
 

kornphlake

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On the Prism/Corolla there :

On the Grand Am :

I had an older Grand Am with the 4-Tech motor (not the Quad 4 incidentally). It was a tank as far as the motor and tranny went, and sounded like one too. It leaked oil, it shifted harshly, it was incredibly loud on the highway thanks to the lack of a 4th speed/overdrive on the 3-speed auto, it handled like crap, and it wasn't all that fuel efficient. Still, it earned my respect by never really stranding me. The interior was assembled apparently with toothpicks and used chewing gum, as just about everything from the headliner to the door panels came apart over time. Maybe it's just the hot Texas summers with lots of 100+ days, but that thing looked ready for the junkyard long before I sold it, still running, to a mexican dude for $200.

The Grand Am you posted a link to is a bit newer, but it came in some of the darker GM years. It's also priced a lot higher than the 'private party' value that should come with it. I can't imagine someone praising the fuel economy of that series V6, so it probably has the 2.4L i4 motor, which is perfectly adequate, although it's not as robust as the numbers make it sound. The throttle response is kinda mushy, and the sluggish 4-speed auto, while better than the garbage 3-speed in my older model, doesn't help matters any. I'd say confidently that you can do better, even if you still end up with a Grand Am. it just shouldn't be priced at nearly $3k. It's also somewhat unfortunate in terms of the plasticky faux-sporty styling that typified 90s Pontiacs. I'd rather go unnoticed in a boring car than be noticed in the vehicular equivalent of a Vanilla Ice song. Still, at the end of the day subjectives such as styling should take a backseat to fundamentals of common sense.

I didn't want to insult the guy since he says he likes the pontiac, but that's my impression of the brand in general as well. Every pontiac I've seen starts falling apart from the inside out once they reach a few years old. The plastic pieces seem to corrode anywhere a fastener is installed and before you know it all the trim panels and adornments are dangling, rattling or torn off. I would have a hard time buying one at any price, but the drive train is probably as good as any other vehicle for the price, odds are a lower mileage pontiac has been cared for better than a higher mileage import.
 

kornphlake

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The price is suspicious especially from a dealer, it's either a misprint, there's something very wrong with the car or it's a car that's already sold and they're just trying to get you on the lot to try and pitch something else. If something looks too good to be true it most likely is, but it wouldn't hurt to call, that looks like an ideal vehicle.
 

herm0016

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that prisim would be a good car. my girlfriend has one, it has been awesome.
 

inspiron

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You know... would a motorcycle be that bad? Better mileage, and I can get a pretty nice motorcycle for around $2500. But I not sure if I should get it instead of a car... It would be very annoying when it snows and rains.
 

Arkaign

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You know... would a motorcycle be that bad? Better mileage, and I can get a pretty nice motorcycle for around $2500. But I not sure if I should get it instead of a car... It would be very annoying when it snows and rains.

As an old rider put to me, and proved true in my experience :

there are two types of riders in the world, those who have laid it down, and those who are going to lay it down.

A bike makes a great 2nd or 3rd option for transportation, but as your primary, it blows. Consider (if you've driven much at all) how many close-calls you've had with idiots pulling out in front of you, unexpected road debris, and so forth.

In short, no, a bike I wouldn't recommend, unless you're in a clear open type of area like Phoenix or Vegas or such.
 

inspiron

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As an old rider put to me, and proved true in my experience :

there are two types of riders in the world, those who have laid it down, and those who are going to lay it down.

A bike makes a great 2nd or 3rd option for transportation, but as your primary, it blows. Consider (if you've driven much at all) how many close-calls you've had with idiots pulling out in front of you, unexpected road debris, and so forth.

In short, no, a bike I wouldn't recommend, unless you're in a clear open type of area like Phoenix or Vegas or such.
Well I live in arkansas, not too many people here. The highway is not crowded at all, and to and from school is not very crowded but its not a very straight road, and deer pop out sometimes.

I am for sure going to get a motorcycle, as did my father, and my granpa and so forth. My dad is a long time rider, and has had like 6 bikes in his time. He is 52 and still rides a honda shadow 2006 in the summer.

I am thinking maybe it is best to get a good car or truck first then once I can afford a motorcycle I will get as secondary vehicle.

It's just then it seems like you get a way nicer bike for $2500 then you get of a car or truck... all cars and trucks for $2500 looks like they have been beaten up.
 

PhoKingGuy

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Well I live in arkansas, not too many people here. The highway is not crowded at all, and to and from school is not very crowded but its not a very straight road, and deer pop out sometimes.

I am for sure going to get a motorcycle, as did my father, and my granpa and so forth. My dad is a long time rider, and has had like 6 bikes in his time. He is 52 and still rides a honda shadow 2006 in the summer.

I am thinking maybe it is best to get a good car or truck first then once I can afford a motorcycle I will get as secondary vehicle.

It's just then it seems like you get a way nicer bike for $2500 then you get of a car or truck... all cars and trucks for $2500 looks like they have been beaten up.

Well, look at how big a bike is, and look at how big a civic/rolla/focus/ranger is. How much did that Ninja250 cost new? How much did that car cost new? How old is that car, and how many miles does it have on it?

Are you really that surprised you can't find a non beater for 2500? lol
 

inspiron

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no way in hell I would buy a bike or car new.i would get the bike with no hesitation, except for weather, and I would need some space for books, and what not. The ninja 250 looks amazing and is only about $2500 for a used 2008 model with like 500 miles on it. (looks new)

I am sure I will find a good deal on a car, all i want is for it to run good. I don't want to have to get repairs very often, and I want it to have ac/heat and get at least 19mpg.