I don't think the motion plus is a requirement at all.(Especially since not even one AAA Wii title supports it) It's a gimmicky extra peripheral that's going to fail like every other gimmicky extra peripheral before it. If you're going to say all Wii owners absolutely must have the motion plus, you might as well say something like all 360 owners better have every rock band and guitar hero peripheral if they intend to enjoy using the 360. It's silly to say that those are requirements to enjoy or use the console effectively. Made by Nintendo or not, it's a peripheral most people don't care about.
Well, time will tell. Already there are five games that utilize it. And most people will care a lot about Tiger Woods Golf and Sports Resort.
Guitar Hero, Wii Fit and all those I would put in a seperate category.
For me, it's all about the first party games really. I love Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, Smash Bros., Metroid etc.... If those kinds of games start using the motion plus, then I'll change my stance and say it's a good idea to have.
On another note: I do expect the Wii to eventually gain an extremely nice 3rd party library of games over time much like the DS has. It seems to me that the reason there is a lack of high quality 3rd party games on the Wii was that at first developers were a bit uneasy with the console and saw it as a gamble to make games for. Now though, the Wii has the largest user base, so it's only a matter of time until the games start churning out. I do not expect the Wii to gain the kind of online support that the 360 or PS3 has though.
On another note: I do expect the Wii to eventually gain an extremely nice 3rd party library of games over time much like the DS has. It seems to me that the reason there is a lack of high quality 3rd party games on the Wii was that at first developers were a bit uneasy with the console and saw it as a gamble to make games for. Now though, the Wii has the largest user base, so it's only a matter of time until the games start churning out. I do not expect the Wii to gain the kind of online support that the 360 or PS3 has though.
Pheran
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My only comment is to use caution if you are interested in music games (e.g. Rock Band) as the Wii is an inferior platform for those (see this thread).
The thing is...this generation is just all over the place.
After the amazing success of DQIX I'm sure that DQX is going to be something to behold on the Wii. Monster Hunter Tri is another smash hit that will surely lead to more devs making triple-A titles on Wii.
However I wouldn't lean on any single console this gen. Every console has something it does head and shoulders above the others and if you can afford it it's better to get 2 or even all 3 consoles and really enjoy what each has to offer.
This gen I've been through two Wii's, two PS3's and a 360 and ended up selling them all for various reasons. The problem is that I really don't want to build a library or sink a ton of money into any of them the same way I feel the want for my DS and PSP. It seems as though all of my 'serious' gaming is getting done on handhelds these days and I'm just not as into home consoles. I am thinking about getting the Wii one last time just to have it for social gatherings but sell it at the end of the gen.
AstroManLuca
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The Wii is the best for local multiplayer. You've got lots of party games. Mario Kart, Super Smash, and Wii Sports are enough for most Wii setups.
Don't listen to the guy saying you don't need four nunchucks. You do. I guess you could substitute GameCube controllers or Classic controllers for one or more nunchucks, but simply having four Wiimotes isn't quite enough. So figure on paying $250 (Wii + 1 Wiimote/nunchuck) + 3x$40 (3 Wiimotes) + 3x$20 (3 nunchucks/GC controllers/Classic controllers, each is roughly $20) = $430. If you have an HDTV, you'll want the component cables, which are not included (these can be ordered from Monoprice for really cheap). And of course you need games.
Another suggestion is to simply ignore single-player games. Pretty much all of them suck on the Wii. Sorry. Even the ones that aren't that bad aren't very good either and they won't be fulfilling compared to PC or 360/PS3 single-player games. The online multiplayer on Wii is also really, really bad; same with music games.
Don't listen to the guy saying you don't need four nunchucks. You do. I guess you could substitute GameCube controllers or Classic controllers for one or more nunchucks, but simply having four Wiimotes isn't quite enough. So figure on paying $250 (Wii + 1 Wiimote/nunchuck) + 3x$40 (3 Wiimotes) + 3x$20 (3 nunchucks/GC controllers/Classic controllers, each is roughly $20) = $430. If you have an HDTV, you'll want the component cables, which are not included (these can be ordered from Monoprice for really cheap). And of course you need games.
Another suggestion is to simply ignore single-player games. Pretty much all of them suck on the Wii. Sorry. Even the ones that aren't that bad aren't very good either and they won't be fulfilling compared to PC or 360/PS3 single-player games. The online multiplayer on Wii is also really, really bad; same with music games.
Pros:
The Wii is fun, and has some great party games. Nintendo's exclusive franchises (Zelda, Mario) are great too.
Built-in WiFi. 100% backwards compatible with Gamecube games (which are really cheap nowadays). Very reliable (unlike Xbox's checkered history). Very quiet compared to my PS3.
Cons: The controllers are expensive, and buying enough for 4 people adds up.
IIRC, the system comes with 1 Wiimote plus 1 nunchuk.
3 Wiimotes x $40 each = $120 additional. If you want the nunchuks, those are $20 each for an extra $60. I don't know if you can find them cheaper nowadays. You can buy other accessories like the Motion+ or balance board, but you don't really need those for most games. I only have the Wiimotes and nunchuks.
Only outputs 480p (I think) through component cable (sold separately).
A lot of people complain about the lack of third-party games, but I think the situation will improve because of the reasons stated by dguy6789. There is tons of shovelware out there, but I do enjoy Boom Blox.
Although honestly, for Single-Player, I've been using my PS3 more. Maybe it's just the type of games I like, or maybe it's the better eye candy.
The Wii is fun, and has some great party games. Nintendo's exclusive franchises (Zelda, Mario) are great too.
Built-in WiFi. 100% backwards compatible with Gamecube games (which are really cheap nowadays). Very reliable (unlike Xbox's checkered history). Very quiet compared to my PS3.
Cons: The controllers are expensive, and buying enough for 4 people adds up.
IIRC, the system comes with 1 Wiimote plus 1 nunchuk.
3 Wiimotes x $40 each = $120 additional. If you want the nunchuks, those are $20 each for an extra $60. I don't know if you can find them cheaper nowadays. You can buy other accessories like the Motion+ or balance board, but you don't really need those for most games. I only have the Wiimotes and nunchuks.
Only outputs 480p (I think) through component cable (sold separately).
A lot of people complain about the lack of third-party games, but I think the situation will improve because of the reasons stated by dguy6789. There is tons of shovelware out there, but I do enjoy Boom Blox.
Although honestly, for Single-Player, I've been using my PS3 more. Maybe it's just the type of games I like, or maybe it's the better eye candy.
Dumac
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This.
I have to disagree here. The Wii has some great exclusive single-player games, more than the 360 I would say. Super Mario Galaxy and Zack and Wiki are two great examples, one nintendo and one third party.
This is true for the most part. Mario Kart online can be decent, but the online interface in general is pretty primitive and lacking.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to price it out on Amazon. I don't like the music games, so no worries about those.
You could snag one off the Dell ebay store for 225 plus double cash back plus tax starting August 10th. Just sayin.
Yeah, like that idea some half wit company had, making a controller that was like a guitar, heh, that one was a huge failure. Or how about that one that Nin came out with, that stupid balance board thing, another stupid gimmick. Things were such failures they only managed to generate a couple billion dollars in revenue..... each.
AstroManLuca
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Actually, I guess you're right. I guess what I'm saying is don't think of the Wii as primarily a single-player gaming system. There are a few that are pretty good but if you really like both single- and multi-player gaming, the Wii alone will leave you unfulfilled. But you said you're already a PC gamer, so you're pretty much covered. Try a few Wii single player games if you want, but I wouldn't turn it into your primary single player gaming system.
CZroe
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You were off by $40 AND included an extraneous $40+20+20 for a fourth set (so far, Wii Motion Plus games include the adapter for free, so you would never buy more than three at retail if that remains the case). You simply replaced that $120 error with the cost of the console in your new comparison. :roll:
With Wii Remotes and Nunchuks, your game selection is NOT immediately limited. You can play the latest Tiger Woods without the Motion Plus adapter and they sell a bundle that includes it anyway. The only game that REQUIRES it, Wii Sports Resort, includes it too. That's a bogus concern ATM.
By the time more games might require it, I'd expect that to only be because Nintendo started building it into new remotes and including it with consoles. As it stands, it's been $17 at Fry's Electronics since launch, so even $20x3 is suggesting that one would simply pay regardless of cost. If they had money to blow like that, it isn't a concern! To put it in perspective, anyone concerned about the price probably ran out to Toys R Us at launch to get Wii Sports Resort with a $20 gift card and many of those probably used that on their second Motion Plus adapter. Deals are easy to find, so don't point to Amazon's $10-cheaper XBOX 360 controller as if the Wii accessory prices are written in stone.
Also, FAR more XBOX 360 games require the headset and it is a 100% FALSHOOD that no XBOX 360 games require the HDD. Every time another one is announced (usually a JRPG or MMO), it hits the news sites as "first XBOX 360 game to require the HDD" when Final Fantasy XI has required it ALL ALONG. It launched a few shorts months after the 360 before availability returned to stores.
Trying to argue the 360's value to a PC gamer, as the OP claims to be, is moot. He can play almost everything good in the 360's library except Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 for a fraction of the cost. Just subscribe to the gogamer.com's Madness Mail and wait a couple short months and each new release will be seen for DIRT cheap. Yeasterday's 48-Hour Madness was particularly good. Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway, Blazing Angels 2, Prince of Persia (the new one), Enemy Territory Quake Wars, Lost Planet Colonies Edition, Mecenaries 2, etc all for about $5 each. Many of those are still $40-$60 on consoles and even the $30 "value series" doesn't compare. All are perfectly playable with a $100 8800GT. Not to mention the dirt-cheap classics like Orange Box, Devil May Cry 4, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Gears of War, etc...
Ok let's just agree the Xbox 360 Pro and Wii are both about $400 with four wireless controllers (without motioncontrol gizmo).
Unless you are attached to Nintendo exclusive games (I am - and that's why I own a Wii), or think the motion control is way cool, I think the Xbox is better for a sole console.. even if used mostly for multiplayer. Especially with a HDTV. The Wii is just starting to feel kind of like a toy to me.
The reason I keep insisting on the motionplus is that I have always felt pretty underwhelmed with the motion controls. It's just too sloppy. However I recently bought Sports Resort and the technology finally feels mature to me. It should have been like this from the start.
I would really like to see Nintendo bundle Sports Resort with the Wii. Having to spend another $110 (for four players) to play what I still would consider a glorified demo (but a must have) is too much.
And yes it does come out to $110 retail, because I just spent that much. $50 for the game plus 3 motionplus thingies at $20 a pop. Maybe you can save a few dollars by shopping around but still pricey IMO.
CZroe
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That's what I say when talking to someone who isn't a professed PC gamer who is also familiar with consoles, even if that familiarity was with a previous generation. If I were not going to suggest the Wii, I would suggest the PS3 because it has more exclusive AAA titles that have no chance of being released on the PC. How much do you want to bet GoW2 & Halo 3 will be on PC eventually (no matter what Cliffy B./Epic says)?
During the intro sequence to Wii Sports Resort, there is a part where they demonstrate the "increased" sensitivity by having your skydiving Mii track your Wii Remote 1:1. The thing is, there is an iPhone app that demonstrates the same thing without the Motion Plus adapter with comparably low latency. The on-screen 3D remote tracks even the lightest little rocking. Granted, it doesn't know the remote's position in 3D space outside of something relative (origin).
Does Wii Sports Resort even have a 4p game that doesn't work just fine with one remote (like bowling)? I didn't notice (haven;t played much myself). I would not doubt that a Wii bundle WILL happen. It's probably precisely why they duplicated the most popular game (bowling)... though I would expect them to later bundle BOTH in an effort to stave off further price reduction (assuming the price gets dropped for this holiday).
Do you know how bing cash back works? Not trying to sound like an ass although I know it could seem that way.
Basically you have to search for the item you want on bing. If you see a little icon underneath that says 'cash back eligible' that means you can buy from that site and qualify for cash back. You just have to search for Nintendo Wii and then get the ebay link then you can get the item you want.
There's a very good chance I'm going to attempt the same thing for myself on the 10th so if I can get it to work I'll put up some more detailed instructions.
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