• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Think you successfully stayed anonymous on Facebook? Think again.

No worry here. I have never touched FB, nor intend to and I kill anyone I know who uses it. You can never be too careful.

In all seriousness though. I hate FB, and never have used it, and people wonder WHY I hate FB. Each year new news comes out, why should I have to justify not jumping on a bandwagon of trait selling? These things WILL be used against you, it is just a matter of time. The article about credit scores above is a perfect example. Everyone does not need to know everything about you, and mostly your "friends" don't actually care that much about what YOU are doing, they care about telling you what THEY are doing. It's all a sham and companies are getting rich off it. Crazy world.
 
Last edited:
Eben Moglen said:
The real threat of facebook is the BI layer on top of facebook warehouse. The facebook datewarehouse contains the behavior, not just the thinking, but also the behavior of somewhere nearing a billion people. The business intelligence layer on top of it which is just all that code they get to run covered by the terms of service that say they can run any code they want "for improvement of the experience".

The business intelligence on top of facebook is where every intelligence service of the world wants to go. Imagine that you are a tiny little secret police organisation in some not very important country. Let's put ourselves in their position. Let's call them...I don't know what, you know ... "kirghistan". You are a secret police. You are in the "people business". Secret policing is "people business". You have classes of people that you want. You want agents, you want sources. You have adversaries, and you have influencables. That is people you torture who are related to adversaries. Wives, husbands, fathers, daughters; you know those people. So you are looking for classes of people. You don't know their names, but you know what they are like. You know who is recrutable for you as an agent. You know who are likely sources. You can give the social characteristics of your adversaries, and once you know your adversaries, you can find the influencables. So what you want to do is run code inside facebook. It will help you find the people that you want. It will show you the people whose behavior and whose social circles tell you that they are what you want. By way of agents, sources, what their adversaries are, and who you can torture to get to them.

So you don't want data out of facebook. The day you have data out of facebook, it is dead. You want to put code into facebook, and run it there, and get the results. You want to cooperate.

Facebook wants to be a media company. It wants to own the Web. It wants you to punch "like" buttons. "Like" buttons are terrific even if you *don't* punch them because they are web bugs. Because they show facebook every other webpage that you touch that has a like button on it. Whether you punch it or you don't, they still get a record.

The record is:

"you read a page, which had a like button on it"
and either you said yes, or you said no.

And either way, you made data. You taught the machine. So media want to know you better than you know yourself, and we shouldn't let anybody do that. We fought for a thousand years for the internal space. Tthe space where we read, think, reflect, and become unorthodox inside our own minds. That's the space that everybody wants to take away.

...
 
Why would I delude myself into thinking that any information I volunteer to a free social networking service would be anonymous? It's not like Mark Zuckerberg came to my house and held a gun to my head until I agreed to put my information on his service. I suspect everything they do is spelled out in the TOS I agree to when signing up to use their service.
 
Why would I delude myself into thinking that any information I volunteer to a free social networking service would be anonymous? It's not like Mark Zuckerberg came to my house and held a gun to my head until I agreed to put my information on his service. I suspect everything they do is spelled out in the TOS I agree to when signing up to use their service.

If you're fine with giving out your info freely, more power to you. This is an issue with them utilizing your info to build a profile on those who wish to stay low-key on FB.
 
Wait...you didn't really think Facebook was able to raise that much $$$$ in its IPO because they have those crappy ads in the corner, did you?
 
If you're fine with giving out your info freely, more power to you. This is an issue with them utilizing your info to build a profile on those who wish to stay low-key on FB.

You can't stay low key on facebook. If you care about privacy, you don't have facebook. It's a binary choice. You get one or the other, not both.
 
You can't stay low key on facebook. If you care about privacy, you don't have facebook. It's a binary choice. You get one or the other, not both.

Exactly. You have no expectation of anything that is not spelled out in the TOS that no one reads when signing up for these social networking services.
 
You can't stay low key on facebook. If you care about privacy, you don't have facebook. It's a binary choice. You get one or the other, not both.

Explain that thought to me. I have Facebook primarily for articles posted on NatGeo and a couple of tech sites. I rarely message anyone in my friends list (a few times a year) and don't post on other people's walls. I fill out as little info about myself as possible, even though I have 'Liked' many things.

So they have a small profile on me. I use DoNotTrackMe and AdBlock. What else is it that I'm giving away?
 
In my day people had to wait for the white pages to show up and then you had to turn the pages to look up someones number.
You spoiled kids and your internet
 
Explain that thought to me. I have Facebook primarily for articles posted on NatGeo and a couple of tech sites. I rarely message anyone in my friends list (a few times a year) and don't post on other people's walls. I fill out as little info about myself as possible, even though I have 'Liked' many things.

So they have a small profile on me. I use DoNotTrackMe and AdBlock. What else is it that I'm giving away?


An advertiser would pay for your profile because it contains the following:

- Who your friends are, what circles you run in (small non-mortgage lenders are actually starting to use that information to judge you. Theory being deadbeat friends = dead-beat)

- What your "likes" are (Italian restaurants? Bud light? Travel to Asia? etc)

- Pictures - Even if you don't post pictures, do any of your friends/family have pictures of you?



That is just the basic stuff that they can sell, and that doesn't even include prospective employers down the line.
 
An advertiser would pay for your profile because it contains the following:

- Who your friends are, what circles you run in (small non-mortgage lenders are actually starting to use that information to judge you. Theory being deadbeat friends = dead-beat)

- What your "likes" are (Italian restaurants? Bud light? Travel to Asia? etc)

- Pictures - Even if you don't post pictures, do any of your friends/family have pictures of you?



That is just the basic stuff that they can sell, and that doesn't even include prospective employers down the line.

Yup. They also track how much time you spend on pages, with other metrics like cursor position, and of course [ Like ] button clicks(and non-clicks), and build profiles off of that. Facebook is like a big eye in the sky analyzing everything you do. Even actions that seem trivial on the surface make good data when combined.
 
Only one thing to do... go back to myspace. 😉

I refuse to go there. It'll popup sometimes in search results for stuff I'm looking for, and it's a complete clusterfuck. Horrible site. It's unbelievable they could make it worse than it was back when it was popular, but they managed somehow :^S
 
Seriously, how is this legally allowed? If I don't want to give my phone number, they ask my friend for it?

Your friend doesn't "give" them your phone number. Your friend installs the app on their phone, and then gives it permission to capture all the data in their contacts to help them "find their friends."
 
i think all you 'don't use facebook' people are missing one of the points from the article:

Most people understand that Facebook can see, archive, and data-mine the details you voluntarily put up on the site. The reason people are disturbed by shadow profiles is the information was collected in a roundabout way, and users had no control over what was collected (which is how even people who abstain from Facebook may have ended up with dossiers despite their reluctance to get involved with the site). Now we don’t just need to worry about what we choose to share; we also have to worry that the friends we trust with personal information will use programs that collect our data.

if your friends or family use Facebook, but you don't, there is apparently still a chance that Facebook has information about YOU through them.
 
Your friend doesn't "give" them your phone number. Your friend installs the app on their phone, and then gives it permission to capture all the data in their contacts to help them "find their friends."

Thus don't have stupid friends. 😉
 
Your friend doesn't "give" them your phone number. Your friend installs the app on their phone, and then gives it permission to capture all the data in their contacts to help them "find their friends."

Sounds like your friend gave them the number then.
 
Horribly outraged that a site devoted entirely to making people voluntary commodities is doing this. Outraged!
Yup. Your data is their revenue source. They are going to do absolutely everything they can to extract as much information from you as possible.


E-commerce sites do this. They want to watch everything you do the second you hit the page. And before, and after. (Thank you, Google and Facebook cookies, among others.) You're walking into a store, but are followed by an entourage of observers who are scribbling down everything about your visit.
"I have nothing to hide!" 2 minutes of questions, or less, and I'm sure we could find something that you don't want the world to know about.
(A few packs of their smallest condoms, some anti-itch cream, wart remover, and some hair removal cream? Got some interesting plans ahead, eh?)

That, smart TVs scanning your network and sending back a filename manifest, retailers using cameras and software to track where people walk and what they look at and how long they look, or using your cellphone's Wifi transmissions to keep tabs on where you are, Kinect capable of seeing where your eyes are looking (are you spending enough time looking at in-game advertising?), and god knows what Google knows about you...
Big Brother's watching, and he really wants to sell you all kinds of shit.
 
Last edited:
An advertiser would pay for your profile because it contains the following:

- Who your friends are, what circles you run in (small non-mortgage lenders are actually starting to use that information to judge you. Theory being deadbeat friends = dead-beat)

- What your "likes" are (Italian restaurants? Bud light? Travel to Asia? etc)

- Pictures - Even if you don't post pictures, do any of your friends/family have pictures of you?



That is just the basic stuff that they can sell, and that doesn't even include prospective employers down the line.

Yes, but if they're doing this to try to sell me more relevant ads, what do I actually lose?

I guess we could worry about the info falling into the wrong hands. But heck, if shopping at Target (or anywhere else really at this point) is also a risk, then I'll take on that slight additional risk of being on facebook.

If someone is out to "get" me, I'm sure there are ways to do it even if I'm completely off of facebook.
 
Back
Top