Thief calls 911, afraid homeowner may have a gun

[JohnOfSheffield]

I made no judgment as to why the law exists, nor rendered an opinion as to it's appropriateness.

Though if you wish:

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I think it is completely asinine that random strangers should have more rights on the property that *I* paid for than I do.

They don't have any rights what so ever to your property, it'll just take some time to remove them if certain conditions are met. As i said before, you'll never get it because you don't even understand the law or what it really means.

In all cases, the squatters were evicted.

 

[phoenix79]

In all cases, the squatters were evicted.

Maybe, but in many US states you wouldn't have to go through the court system to get rid of them, costing you $$$ and time that you're not in your house and they are destroying it. You'd just need help cleaning the blood off the walls/carpet.

It's for this reason that this doesn't happen over here, people know they can get shot for pulling that crap.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Silly little Subject...much brighter people did write our laws, and here in Texas I'm thankful for them, if needed I can defend myself without fear of going to jail...some of our cities and states are closer to your sad existence, Ney York and Chicago come to mind, but one day they will be better I hope. I have the RIGHT to kill anyone who poses a threat by breaking and entering into my home or many other reasons, I have the RIGHT to make that decision in the moment...I know the consequences of my actions one way or the other.

Wow, you just don't understand anything, do you? You can't defend yourself against someone who poses no threat in Texas either.

You can't shoot someone who is no threat to you in your home in Texas either, people have been jailed for that, what you can do is to use as much force as neccessary to remove the subject (that's a subject, for all you yeehaw retards) from your property and you can do that in Texas OR in Sheffield UK without risk of being imprisoned for it.

 

[AMDZen]

And this is why we need more guns (in the hands of lawful citizens), not less guns.

Exactly.

In Brittain, the guy would have come out of the shower and said "Righty then geezer, this is my house now, you were gone for 2 hours, cheerio"

And the reason for that, besides their fucked up laws? The criminal might have a gun, but the homeowner won't

They don't have any rights what so ever to your property, it'll just take some time to remove them if certain conditions are met. As i said before, you'll never get it because you don't even understand the law or what it really means.

In all cases, the squatters were evicted.

No arguement. But its sometimes months later, to wait for the civil court to handle it. So you think its OK to have to wait for your house back a few days, a few weeks, a few months? We think we get it back within minutes. Wonder which makes more sense.

 

[AMDZen]

Wow, you just don't understand anything, do you? You can't defend yourself against someone who poses no threat in Texas either.

You can't shoot someone who is no threat to you in your home in Texas either, people have been jailed for that, what you can do is to use as much force as neccessary to remove the subject (that's a subject, for all you yeehaw retards) from your property and you can do that in Texas OR in Sheffield UK without risk of being imprisoned for it.

YOU just don't get it. YOU. You just say you felt threatened. Done.

It doesn't matter because in this country we understand, if there is someone else in your fucking house, then its safe to assume that the homeowner will feel threatened. This is not rocket science you bloody geezer.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Maybe, but in many US states you wouldn't have to go through the court system to get rid of them, costing you $$$ and time that you're not in your house and they are destroying it. You'd just need help cleaning the blood off the walls/carpet.

It's for this reason that this doesn't happen over here, people know they can get shot for pulling that crap.

I don't even know where to start with this one, it's just all wrong.

You don't get to shoot a squatter in the US either.

 

[Scotteq]

They don't have any rights what so ever to your property, it'll just take some time to remove them if certain conditions are met. As i said before, you'll never get it because you don't even understand the law or what it really means.

In all cases, the squatters were evicted.

If you mean I'll never get why anyone would accept that not only do they not have the right to put intruders off their own property Forthwith, but also that the Police (who in most civilised nations exist to protect rightful property owners) will not help. And that not only is the owner - in effect - homeless simply because someone broke into his home while he happened to be out; but that owner *also* has to pay out of his pocket in order to get the authorities to care???


You are correct, Sir: I will *never* understand why that is somehow proper.

You don't get to shoot a squatter in the US either.

You are absolutely correct: I can't just shoot him with a bullet.


But I *damned* sure can turn the dogs loose.

Or load my shotgun with rock salt and ensure the fucker gets a lesson on his way out the door.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

If your daughter is 15 that might just be her boyfriend, if you didn't lock your front door that might just be someone coming home drunk and in the wrong house OR, it could be your 5 year old daughter, i suppose she'd deserve it though?

Now, if you'd hold someone at gunpoint, more power to you but i have a feeling you are one of those scared shitless Americans that sleep with their gun fully loaded and the safety off who would shoot anything that moves...

There is a reason why you are more likely to get killed by a family member not intending to kill you than an burglar in the US. That reason is you and people like you.

To be honest we have to live like this because the liberals keep the minorities downtrodden and poor and thus they commit crimes.

 

[TheVrolok]

If your daughter is 15 that might just be her boyfriend, if you didn't lock your front door that might just be someone coming home drunk and in the wrong house OR, it could be your 5 year old daughter, i suppose she'd deserve it though?

No one who is properly using a weapon fires at an unidentified target. Shooting his 5 year old daughter shouldn't even be an issue. What if it is "just someone coming home drunk?" Are you saying that simply upon seeing them you could easily assess their intentions/capabilities/mental status? It would be unfortunate to kill them, but I'm not sure I'd gamble my life/the lives of my family that the individual will not be violent/have poor intentions, etc.

 

[corwin]

Wow, you just don't understand anything, do you? You can't defend yourself against someone who poses no threat in Texas either.

You can't shoot someone who is no threat to you in your home in Texas either, people have been jailed for that, what you can do is to use as much force as neccessary to remove the subject (that's a subject, for all you yeehaw retards) from your property and you can do that in Texas OR in Sheffield UK without risk of being imprisoned for it.

So how old are you again, does your mommy know you're using the computer again? I most certainly can shoot someone in my home unlawfully, even if they're running for the door with their tail between their legs...our law (castle doctrine for you SUBJECTS, silly but you should remember that) was posted earlier, you should read it. If they are in my home without being invited they are a THREAT, period, end of sentence...

 

[waggy]

meh. i am not going to sit and wait for the intruder to let me know if he is there to steal my tv, rape and murder my kids or he is drunk and at the wrong house.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

YOU just don't get it. YOU. You just say you felt threatened. Done.

Then you are a criminal, i don't know how you feel about it but it's not something i'd do, even if i could do the same in the UK.

It doesn't matter because in this country we understand, if there is someone else in your fucking house, then its safe to assume that the homeowner will feel threatened. This is not rocket science you bloody geezer.

This discussion is now over.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Wow, you just don't understand anything, do you? You can't defend yourself against someone who poses no threat in Texas either.

You can't shoot someone who is no threat to you in your home in Texas either, people have been jailed for that, what you can do is to use as much force as neccessary to remove the subject (that's a subject, for all you yeehaw retards) from your property and you can do that in Texas OR in Sheffield UK without risk of being imprisoned for it.

You prove with your ignorance that you don't know jack shit.
In Texas and some other states, if someone is in your home unlawfully they are a dead man walking. You can and I say SHOULD shoot them.

The only case I can recall of a home shooting of an "intruder" was actually a drug deal gone bad in someone's house. Since the shooter was engaged in a felony at the time.

 

[AMDZen]

I don't even know where to start with this one, it's just all wrong.

You don't get to shoot a squatter in the US either.

Depends on so many things. The difference is that WE just call the cops and show ownership of the house and the dumb fucking assholes are taken to jail, then and there, do not pass go.

In the UK, the cops say "Ahh righty then but uhh you see we are useless and cannot do anything. You will need to take this to civil court, right so here is that #."

"But my phone is in the house"

"Then here, please feel free to use my cellie"

"Oh thanks there sir"

"Civil court speaking"

"Yea some geezer chavs are in my house"

"Right, you are the 40th one today sir, we have a court date available for Tuesday, thats 2 weeks from tomorrow"

"But where am I to live until 2 weeks from tomorrow"

etc.

 

[phoenix79]

I don't even know where to start with this one, it's just all wrong.

You don't get to shoot a squatter in the US either.

Oh really?

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeofAlabama/1975/13A-3-23.htm

(a) A person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he or she may use a degree of force which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose. A person may use deadly physical force, and is legally presumed to be justified in using deadly physical force in self-defense or the defense of another person pursuant to subdivision (4), if the person reasonably believes that another person is:


(4) In the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or has unlawfully and forcefully entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is in the process of sabotaging or attempting to sabotage a federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is attempting to remove, or has forcefully removed, a person against his or her will from any dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle when the person has a legal right to be there, and provided that the person using the deadly physical force knows or has reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act is occurring. The legal presumption that a person using deadly physical force is justified to do so pursuant to this subdivision does not apply if:

I love Alabama 🙂

If you're in my home and I didn't invite you, you have unlawfully and forcefully entered a dwelling and residence. Thus I have protection from civil and criminal proceedings.

 

[KaOTiK]

The thief should of changed the locks and put up some legal notice saying he is now squatting in that house

 

[AMDZen]

Then you are a criminal, i don't know how you feel about it but it's not something i'd do, even if i could do the same in the UK.



This discussion is now over.

It was over before it began because you lose. You LOSE. We are a Charlie Sheen country and you would not know winning if it bit you in the ars.

Seriously though, you would do the same thing because if someone has broken into your house, you don't know if they mean you harm or not. You don't take that chance, or at least intelligent human beings don't. You just go right ahead and try to talk him out of your house over crumpets and tea and hope he doesn't pull out a knife, or simply know more kung-fu than you do. That fucker could be Bruce Lee's long lost protégé for all you know

 

[spidey07]

Wow, you just don't understand anything, do you? You can't defend yourself against someone who poses no threat in Texas either.

You can't shoot someone who is no threat to you in your home in Texas either, people have been jailed for that, what you can do is to use as much force as neccessary to remove the subject (that's a subject, for all you yeehaw retards) from your property and you can do that in Texas OR in Sheffield UK without risk of being imprisoned for it.

You are flat out wrong. You absolutely can shoot somebody that is in your house unlawfully. Read up where the laws from various states specifically allow this and even go so far as protect the homeowner from criminal or civil liability. It's been posted.

You have zero clue what you're talking about.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Then you are a criminal, i don't know how you feel about it but it's not something i'd do, even if i could do the same in the UK.



This discussion is now over.

It's only criminal in the UK where you are not allowed to defend yourself. Here in America, You know the poor, backwards country that kicked your ass twice, it's a bit different and we respect property owners and law abiding citizens.
So you admit you are wrong. Good.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The laws aren't perfect. But I'm glad that in many states the law now errs on the side of the homeowner.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

So how old are you again, does your mommy know you're using the computer again? I most certainly can shoot someone in my home unlawfully, even if they're running for the door with their tail between their legs...our law (castle doctrine for you SUBJECTS, silly but you should remember that) was posted earlier, you should read it. If they are in my home without being invited they are a THREAT, period, end of sentence...

Did you miss the thread where i posted a pic of my newborn grandchild? I'm older than you.

Did you miss every other thread in which i have participated? I'm more experienced with actual defense than you will EVER be, son.

You might want to believe what you are saying, but in reality, it's not so, people have and will be prosecuted in the state of Texas for using deadly force against an unarmed intruder. If you want to realise the truth or live in a dream world where the truth doesn't mean anything is up to you, either way i'm done with your stupid arse.

Cheerio

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It's only criminal in the UK where you are not allowed to defend yourself. Here in America, You know the poor, backwards country that kicked your ass twice, it's a bit different and we respect property owners and law abiding citizens.
So you admit you are wrong. Good.

Ah, so to kill an unarmed man and lie about it isn't criminal in the US?

Heh, i know which nation is ass backwards then, or perhaps you didn't read what i quoted in the post you responded to?

ADHD?

 

[corwin]

Did you miss the thread where i posted a pic of my newborn grandchild? I'm older than you.

Did you miss every other thread in which i have participated? I'm more experienced with actual defense than you will EVER be, son.

You might want to believe what you are saying, but in reality, it's not so, people have and will be prosecuted in the state of Texas for using deadly force against an unarmed intruder. If you want to realise the truth or live in a dream world where the truth doesn't mean anything is up to you, either way i'm done with your stupid arse.

Cheerio

LOL, I did miss it but your language and use of "retard" and "stupid" made me think of the playground, guess when you get so old you really do regress...not that you have any clue how old I am, and it's blatantly obvious you have no clue about the laws in Texas, but if you ever feel like trying to climb in my window some night I would be glad to educate you!

 

[spidey07]

Ah, so to kill an unarmed man and lie about it isn't criminal in the US?

Heh, i know which nation is ass backwards then, or perhaps you didn't read what i quoted in the post you responded to?

ADHD?

No, no lying needed. Perp was in house unlawfully, perp gets dead. Doesn't matter if he's armed or not. I'm don't have to prove anything, I have no duty to retreat, no means to prove escalation of force, the law is VERY clear on this. In my house unlawfully, you get dead and the law protects me, the home owner.

You have zero idea of what you're talking about.

 

[AMDZen]

Ah, so to kill an unarmed man and lie about it isn't criminal in the US?

Heh, i know which nation is ass backwards then, or perhaps you didn't read what i quoted in the post you responded to?

ADHD?

How is it a lie? Its not a lie because the guy has pockets and you don't know whats in them. How do you know if he's armed or not?

Your arguments make no sense. As another person has said, the laws aren't perfect and perhaps some people would kill a burglar even when the kid is trying to run away, but he has that right because its better then the alternative.