[THG]Core i7-4770K: Haswell's Performance-Previewed

[inf64]

richland is supposed to increase 20 to 40% in gpu performance over trinity

but gt3e might eat it for lunch, even kaveri...and many low end dGPUs

Richland won't be that much faster than Trinity but Kaveri with its 512SPs and GDDR5/DDR4/DDR3 support will . No more memory BW bottlenecks,hybrid CF will finally scale as it should with "apus" and 3 modules/6 threads should be fast enough for about everything(~MT throughput of 83xx series). Haswell will have a lead in mobile though, the whole H2 of this year which is a lot of time.

 

[mrmt]

Interesting. Not only Intel will have a huge CPU advantage, GT3 + Cristalwell will eat AMD iGPUs for breakfast. If the game isn't over with Haswell, it will surely be with Broadwell as it will bring more of the same in a smaller package.

Let's see if AMD reacts in the usual way: Price cuts after the launch, missed sales forecasts in Q2 and Q3, clumsy excuses in the EC, personnel cuts in Q3/Q4, roadmap reshuffle and the promise that their next wonderchip will be a wonder.

 

[USER8000]

Interesting. Not only Intel will have a huge CPU advantage, GT3 + Cristalwell will eat AMD iGPUs for breakfast. If the game isn't over with Haswell, it will surely be with Broadwell as it will bring more of the same in a smaller package.

Let's see if AMD reacts in the usual way: Price cuts after the launch, missed sales forecasts in Q2 and Q3, clumsy excuses in the EC, personnel cuts in Q3/Q4, roadmap reshuffle and the promise that their next wonderchip will be a wonder.

You are making a assumption that Intel will price GT3e at a very low price and won't charge a premium. Nvidia might also be affected too with their lower end discrete GPUs like AMD on top of this,but we will need to see how much it will be priced.

Also,why the hatred of AMD as a company? It really almost sounds religious.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

O well with Haswell, it Hasbeen fun waiting but the wait continues on

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Very glad I purchased the 3770k instead of waiting. Phew. I really hope there are improvements left. That's terrible. Seems 90% of the focus was on the iGpu

it might seem that way in this preview but for the most part the focus was on power consumption for mobile utility

as far as what desktop users would care about, we should be seeing an improvement in overclocking, so a slightly underwhelming IPC improvement might not be a big deal if these chips can easily hit 5+GHz on air (a pretty big if)

 

[Qbah]

Desktop i7s with a 4 / 4 config? And a lone i5 with a 2 / 4 config?? Really Intel???

There goes the naming logic!

I'll comment on performance once official results are in. Doesn't look so great right now... Another small increase here and there Nothing exciting as in the GPU world...

 

[Phynaz]

No TSX on K chips = fail.

 

[moonbogg]

Its crazy to see intel actually taking graphics seriously. This is so strange. I fully expect them to forget all about graphics once AMD waves the white flag in the PC segment (which they will if Intel keeps this kind of igp pressure on).
Regarding the CPU, there might be hope of a good OC to look forward to. Any ipc improvement over ivy along with something like a solid 4.8ghz would certainly be a consideration for those on Sandy systems. My 3930k is stable at 4.3 with reasonable temps without going crazy with water cooling, so getting a big jump in clockspeed and single threaded performance might be a reasonable option for gaming purposes over a 3930k.....or not, we'll see.

 

[Idontcare]

I'm definitely waiting for 14nm is if this what "22nm 2.0" has to offer.

 

[BrightCandle]

It came in about where it was expected considering the transistor budget and planned features. Its disappointing to have such slow progress in the CPU industry for so long but its clear 10% has become the new reality and it does at least mean upgrading has become something you have to do a lot less frequently.

 

[Piroko]

Interesting. Not only Intel will have a huge CPU advantage, GT3 + Cristalwell will eat AMD iGPUs for breakfast. If the game isn't over with Haswell, it will surely be with Broadwell as it will bring more of the same in a smaller package.

Let's see if AMD reacts in the usual way: Price cuts after the launch, missed sales forecasts in Q2 and Q3, clumsy excuses in the EC, personnel cuts in Q3/Q4, roadmap reshuffle and the promise that their next wonderchip will be a wonder.

Sorry, but I can't take that serious. The HD4000 takes quite the battery hit while gaming even though it's on the superior process. We're talking about the same node with even more integration eating into your TDP headroom, "eating AMD iGPUs for breakfast" would need a miracle even for Intels deep pockets.

The HD4600 - on Desktop - has 36% more shader power than HD4000 as well as more cache and probably a lot of other tweaks and look how far they got. A single game shows massive speedup (still not as fast as Trinity though), the other games show mediocre speedups (again, not as fast as Trinity). And this is a preview, probably with strict testing conditions set by Intel on a website not exactly known to look behind the curtains.

 

[Meekers]

I'm definitely waiting for 14nm is if this what "22nm 2.0" has to offer.

I kind of feel the same way, but I have been putting off upgrading since my i7 920. It is still good enough for everything I use it for but the upgrade itch is starting to overwhelm me. Planning on waiting until the usb beg has been resolved and then take the plunge.

 

[mrmt]

You are making a assumption that Intel will price GT3e at a very low price and won't charge a premium. Nvidia might also be affected too with their lower end discrete GPUs like AMD on top of this,but we will need to see how much it will be priced.

GT3 cheap? If not on Haswell, probably with Broadwell. We are probably talking about reasonable price, probably a small increase of IVB GT2. GT3 + Cristalwell should be expensive.

Yes, Nvidia will probably feel the heat. Haswell is one of the reasons I think they had to not give full year guidance as they did last FY.

Also,why the hatred of AMD as a company? It really almost sounds religious.

Why do you think I hate AMD? Do you really know what hate is? If I hated something I'd be trying to destroy that thing or to kill it in cold blood, not spend my time in a forum talking about it.

The fact that me and a lot of people think that AMD is managed by a bunch of amateurs and doesn't have a long way before going bust doesn't have anything to do with hate, it's an analysis of the available data. You and everyone can disagree with it, but to think it is hate? Give me a break.

It's rather ironical for you come here talking about hate and accusing me of religious views when this is *exactly* the reaction of most religious entities when someone doesn't accept their views: Accuse of hate. In their humble religious heads, only hate can prevent someone from see the things in the same divine way they see them.

 

[svenge]

Desktop i7s with a 4 / 4 config? And a lone i5 with a 2 / 4 config?? Really Intel???

There goes the naming logic.

Low-power "T"-suffixed chips aren't as strict with the "naming rules" as their standard-power brethren (e.g. Ivy Bridge model i5-3470T)...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I sold my supa baws 5.5GHz i5-2500k a long time ago, rocking a i3-540 and will most definitely be getting a i7 Hassy from micro-center.

Hopefully these have real solder and overclock well!

Any word on bclk overclocking?

 

[mrmt]

The HD4600 - on Desktop - has 36% more shader power than HD4000 as well as more cache and probably a lot of other tweaks and look how far they got. A single game shows massive speedup (still not as fast as Trinity though), the other games show mediocre speedups (again, not as fast as Trinity). And this is a preview, probably with strict testing conditions set by Intel on a website not exactly known to look behind the curtains.

GT2, think about GT3, then think about GT3 + Cristalwell. And in mobile AMD cannot count on exceeding TDP by too much as they do in desktops otherwise they are going to be sued.

 

[grimpr]

Also - why is Tom's previewing this but not Anandtech or other more... heavy technical sites?

Why does Unlocked SKU's not have TSX?


In general Toms doesn't have the greatest rep - but is this real info or crap from everywhere as they usually post?

Did they litterally go get some chips from a source?

I have no doubt that this *preview* was given the greenlight by Intel itself, it aint sandbagging and it aint crippled chips, pure coincidence that it *greenlights* the preview just a few days or hours before AMDs Richland release isnt it? :biggrin:

 

[Rvenger]

I will wait for the reviews and make a determination. If the IHS is soldered on the die.. WIN

 

[Arachnotronic]

No TSX on K chips = fail.

Disabling TSX probably gives more OC headroom.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I have no doubt that this *preview* was given the greenlight by Intel itself, it aint sandbagging and it aint crippled chips, pure coincidence that it *greenlights* the preview just a few days or hours before AMDs Richland release isnt it? :biggrin:

No, Intel is actually very unhappy about it:

https://twitter.com/FPiednoel

 

[mikk]

First reaction from Intel:

no, we did not authorized this, and we are not happy about it

haswell major improvements come when you are more power constrained, nobody else is able to make a CPU that fast

https://twitter.com/FPiednoel


They are not amused.

 

[grimpr]

No, Intel is actually very unhappy about it:

https://twitter.com/FPiednoel

I dont buy it, he seems irritated that they didnt do the preview like Intel wanted, showcasing Haswells performance per watt which was Intels focus since this a chip targeted for mobile, but we'll find the truth soon enough.

 

[mikk]

Richland won't be that much faster than Trinity but Kaveri with its 512SPs and GDDR5/DDR4/DDR3 support will . No more memory BW bottlenecks,hybrid CF will finally scale as it should with "apus" and 3 modules/6 threads should be fast enough for about everything(~MT throughput of 83xx series). Haswell will have a lead in mobile though, the whole H2 of this year which is a lot of time.

Mobile Kaveri is coming next year, so it's also a competition for Broadwell. According to an engineer from Intel Broadwell will bring bigger improvements to graphics than from Ivy Bridge to Haswell.

We are allocating more die area to graphics. So expect to see a definite improvement from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. Then expect a bigger leap from Haswell to Broadwell. My guess is we will leapfrog ATI on-die graphics with Broadwell.

Haswell will improve over Ivy Bridge. Broadwell will be a bigger jump.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/commen...t_and_designer_at_intel_ama/c7mpg8v?context=3
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/commen...t_and_designer_at_intel_ama/c7ms32l?context=3

 

[Maximilian]

Mobile can suck it We got ARM for that.

Think ill be with this hexacore for a long long time

 

[mikk]

Mobile can suck it We got ARM for that.

Think ill be with this hexacore for a long long time

In case you refer to my posting, he speaks about graphics improvements not CPU performance.