"They won the last 6 out of 10 games"

[Schfifty Five]

It means the last 6 games they played, they won...

could also mean they won 10 in a row, but we're only concerned about the last 6 games.

Here's an easy way to look at it:

1. They won 6 out of 10 - could be any 6 wins out of 10, in any order/combination

2. They won the LAST 6 out of 10 - All we know is the last 6 games were wins, the previous 4 could be wins or losses.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

The irony.

You redeemed yourself for the last one, but you still fail miserably at the first one.

Nope. Wrong again. You're contradicting yourself by agreeing with me on the second, yet not on the first. The second is evidence why the first is wrong. Way to go.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

The irony.

You redeemed yourself for the last one, but you still fail miserably at the first one.

Nope. Wrong again. You're contradicting yourself by agreeing with me on the second, yet not on the first. The second is evidence why the first is wrong. Way to go.

I see what you're saying, it's just that I find that extremely unlikely.

For instance, if I say I have $42 in my pocket when I really have $53, then I'd consider that to be wrong. But according to the logic you're using, I'd be right both times- if you have $53, then you also have $42.

When a sportscaster says that a team won its last 6 games, he means they won their last 6, but lost the previous one. They wouldn't say "they won their last 6 games" when the team actually won its last 8 games.

 

[lizardboy]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

The irony.

You redeemed yourself for the last one, but you still fail miserably at the first one.

Nope. Wrong again. You're contradicting yourself by agreeing with me on the second, yet not on the first. The second is evidence why the first is wrong. Way to go.

I see what you're saying, it's just that I find that extremely unlikely.

For instance, if I say I have $42 in my pocket when I really have $53, then I'd consider that to be wrong. But according to the logic you're using, I'd be right both times- if you have $53, then you also have $42.

When a sportscaster says that a team won its last 6 games, he means they won their last 6, but lost the previous one. They wouldn't say "they won their last 6 games" when the team actually won its last 8 games.

I worked in sports broadcasting for almost 10 years, so let me settle this. When they say 6 out of 10, all it means is that in their last 10 games the team won 6 times and lost 4 times, the order does not matter. If they won 6 in a row, the announcer would say so - "Astros have run their winning streak to 6" or whatever.

 

[Accipiter22]

their most recent game could've been a win, that bumped a previous win that occurred 11 years ago

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: lizardboy

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

The irony.

You redeemed yourself for the last one, but you still fail miserably at the first one.

Nope. Wrong again. You're contradicting yourself by agreeing with me on the second, yet not on the first. The second is evidence why the first is wrong. Way to go.

I see what you're saying, it's just that I find that extremely unlikely.

For instance, if I say I have $42 in my pocket when I really have $53, then I'd consider that to be wrong. But according to the logic you're using, I'd be right both times- if you have $53, then you also have $42.

When a sportscaster says that a team won its last 6 games, he means they won their last 6, but lost the previous one. They wouldn't say "they won their last 6 games" when the team actually won its last 8 games.

I worked in sports broadcasting for almost 10 years, so let me settle this. When they say 6 out of 10, all it means is that in their last 10 games the team won 6 times and lost 4 times, the order does not matter. If they won 6 in a row, the announcer would say so - "Astros have run their winning streak to 6" or whatever.

we all understand that, but the key word here is still "last". That "last" can be interpreted in different ways, as this thread has proven

edit: in my opinion, the topic statement means the same thing as "they've won 6 out of 10". I've never heard a sportscaster refer to a 6 game winning streak as winning "6 out of their last 10". That just undermines the streak. They'll always say "they've now won 6 in a row".

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: joedrake
Which means, 10 games ago they won, but they lost the one right before that, right?

Normally people say "They've won 6 out of the last 10 games." Which means that they won 6 games out of the last 10 that they played, it doesn't matter which 6. Your quote doesn't make sense. Basically (syntactically) it means that the team (or individual) has won their last 6 games in a row. The 'out of 10' bit is superfluous information.

 

[Howard]

The _last_ 6 out of 10 [sequential] games. How is this even debatable? If they had said "6 out of the last 10", then the order doesn't matter.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Mrvile
It means that they played 10 games total, lost the first four, won the next six.

Also, not necessarily.

last 6 of 10. ... are the keywords there.

If someone said "they won the last 6 games"... would that imply that they won 6 random games? No, it wouldn't. The "out of 10" is merely a description of what games they won. It would be no different than saying "They won the last 6 baseball games" or "They won the last 6 away games"

Exactly...the "out of 10" part not needed at all. In fact, nobody would say some team "won the last 6 out of 10". They would instead say, that team "have a six game winning streak."

 

[Schfifty Five]

"They won 6 games out of their last 10" = 6 games won, 4 games lost, in ANY order.

"They won their last 6 games out of 10" = the last 6 games were won in a row, the 4th game was a Loss and anything before that is W or L.

WWWWWW L XXX

W = win, L = loss, X = anything.

/thread.

 

[lizardboy]

Originally posted by: Howard
The _last_ 6 out of 10 [sequential] games. How is this even debatable? If they had said "6 out of the last 10", then the order doesn't matter.

Becuase nobody in broadcasting talks this way. If the mean 6 out of 10, they understand that normal non-ATOT geeks know exactly what they mean. "Last six of ten" to normal American sports viewers means they have gone 6-4 over their last 10 games. If the team has won 6 games in a row, then they will say something about a 6-game winning streak or winning 6 in a row.

Granted it's not the specificity of language you'd like to see in an academic setting, but this is sports, and I can't believe this is even up for debate.

 

[Howard]

A simple reposition of the word "last" could make the sentence perfectly legitimate. The way it's said leads to a hell of a lot of confusion.

 

[drum]

i guarantee this has to do with baseball and the ungodly number of stats that go with it.

how many holds in those 10 games?

 

[eelw]

Yeah, the OPs wording really screws it up. If you have a winning streak, you're not going to word it that way. And if it's the last 10 games stat, as noted, it would be better to word it 6 wins in the last 10 games.

 

[lizardboy]

Originally posted by: Howard
A simple reposition of the word "last" could make the sentence perfectly legitimate. The way it's said leads to a hell of a lot of confusion.

Only if you're looking for confusion.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
"They won 6 games out of their last 10" = 6 games won, 4 games lost, in ANY order.

"They won their last 6 games out of 10" = the last 6 games were won in a row, the 4th game was a Loss and anything before that is W or L.

WWWWWW L XXX

W = win, L = loss, X = anything.

/thread.

You are wrong. There is no required loss.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: lizardboy

Originally posted by: Howard
A simple reposition of the word "last" could make the sentence perfectly legitimate. The way it's said leads to a hell of a lot of confusion.

Only if you're looking for confusion.

No, the way I first interpret the statement is that out of the last 10 games played, the last 6 of the 10 have been wins.

 

[middlehead]

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
It means that
I AM HOLDING A GREEN FOLDER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: middlehead

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
It means that
I AM HOLDING A GREEN FOLDER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: eelw
Yeah, the OPs wording really screws it up. If you have a winning streak, you're not going to word it that way. And if it's the last 10 games stat, as noted, it would be better to word it 6 wins in the last 10 games.

Maybe you aren't highlighting their streak, but comparing it to the rest of the season.

Maybe you want to say "Their record may be 10 and 18, but they have won the last 6 out of 10 games, so things are looking up!"

 

[NGC_604]

I can't believe there is really a discussion going on about this. Some of you are borderline retarded and one can only hope you never have kids.