They raise them right in Texas

[shortylickens]

No, assault hinges on intent rather heavily.

Running someone over by accident is not an assault. Does his intent to blow smoke at them (which appears to likely be disorderly conduct in Texas) transfer to the (presumably) unrelated running over? He's liable for their injuries regardless, but he's only assaulted them if he's found to have had intent to do so.

OK, so, not be rude, but you dont know what the word "intent" means. So far as it applies to law as opposed to the every day meaning.

 

[nOOky]

The cyclists were probably fags right? What were they doing cycling in Texas to begin with, in their faggy shorts and funny clothes. They deserve to be run over regardless of the situation, they may have been keeping someone from getting to the store to buy beer or something important like that. They don't belong on the road either, damn fags. Stay on the bike path and you won't have these problems. They were probably riding two abreast and talking about disk brakes on road bikes, or some such faggy thing. Damn I hate cycling fags.


/s

 

[rommelrommel]

OK, so, not be rude, but you dont know what the word "intent" means. So far as it applies to law as opposed to the every day meaning.

Okay please explain.

 

[shortylickens]

If you drive on the wrong side of the road but mentally did not intend to hurt anyone, you still had intent to cause harm in the legal sense because of your actions.
If your drop a bowling ball off a highway overpass, intending to just miss cars and only scare people, you still had intent, because of your actions. Legally you'd be held accountable for manslaughter or even murder in some states.
Its based on your physical actions, not what your brain thought may or may not happen.
Pretend stabbing someone to scare them, but with a real knife? Murder. Legal intent. Not you personal intent.
Throwing a lit cigarette out a car window, burn down half a national forest? Your mental intent was not to burn down a million acres, but your physical intent sure as shit was.

If you are trying to protect yourself or save someone elses life, you may be able to claim self-defense or survival and get off, or get a lesser charge. That one guy who burned down California in 2004 or 2005 was trying to start a fire so he didnt freeze to death. He was lost and desperate. It wasnt a routine camping trip. He was in serious danger of death. He got a lesser charge.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm sure he's really sorry /s

Charge as an adult and pay all damages.

 

[MrSquished]

If the witness accounts are correct, this kid clearly intended harm, not to literally hit them, but to get uncomfortably close to them to coal roll them and cause intimidation and harassment. That intent should be enough to kick up any penalty up a notch.

Should find out who encouraged him to coal roll. If it's the parents, sue them even more. Two victims were airlifted. Usually a sign of really serious injuries, possibly life changing. Take them to the cleaners.

 

[BUTCH1]

If the witness accounts are correct, this kid clearly intended harm, not to literally hit them, but to get uncomfortably close to them to coal roll them and cause intimidation and harassment. That intent should be enough to kick up any penalty up a notch.

Should find out who encouraged him to coal roll. If it's the parents, sue them even more. Two victims were airlifted. Usually a sign of really serious injuries, possibly life changing. Take them to the cleaners.

Yup, giving a 16yr old the keys to a 4,500lb truck is asking for trouble and this little twit should see 10 years an jail and pay damages for the rest of his life.

 

[HomerJS]

well, its Texas. So if the kid is white he'll be allowed to stay at home during the trial.
If he's black, he'll be charged as an adult and probably get the death penalty 10 minutes after the trial is over.

Pretty much.

BTW - Why do states allow coal rollers? No environmental concerns?

 

[K1052]

After a couple years here in Texas I do have to say that the extent to which people driving trucks feel they are simply exempt from all traffic laws is pretty amazing. Reliably the bigger the truck the worse the driving behavior. I nearly got side swiped the other day by an asshole in a brand new lifted F-150 with temp plates and 5% tint all over who decided to cross three lanes of frontage road without signaling or making sure was clear to illegally merge onto I-35 through a grass median. This kind of stuff happens constantly.

 

[Zorba]

To hell with putting him in Juvie. He's 16 and driving, he can be charged as an adult for vehicular assault, at the very least.

He may not have meant to actually hit the cyclists, but he wound up doing it by trying to be a little prick real life troll. His mistake cost those cyclists, it should damn well cost him.

He's not been arrested on charges because shithole state with shithead authorities.

Fuck that kid and his parents, I know what kind of trash they are. Fuck the local cops/sheriff/DA too for not having the kid in custody already.

The assault began when he purposefully blew toxic smoke on the bikers while driving recklessly. If one of these people dies, charge him with felony murder. Fuck these pieces of shit.

 

[woolfe9998]

The assault began when he purposefully blew toxic smoke on the bikers while driving recklessly. If one of these people dies, charge him with felony murder. Fuck these pieces of shit.

Felony murder rule requires that the underlying act is a felony. The coal rolling was not a felony. Probably a misdemeanor.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

As always, more to the story. Nothing excuses the punk, but the bolded is not acceptable and would piss a lot of people off..

That relationship has for years been fraught in Waller County. The mostly rural county is ideal turf to have training rides for events such as the MS 150 bicycle ride between Houston and Austin. Triathletes also plan rides in Waller County, where few intersections and mostly wide open highways offer lengthy stretches that mimic organized competitions that shut down streets.

That popularity, however, sometimes creates conflict with local officials and drivers. Waller County Sheriff’s Office and county constables in 2016 ticketed bike riders for riding three-abreast and not yielding or flowing into a single file line to let automobile and truck traffic through. Drivers have complained of weekend trips halted at their own driveways as a peloton of hundreds of riders passes by.

Cyclists meanwhile say it is common for Waller County drivers to harass and intimidate them by passing too closely, aggressively accelerating and slowing or even tossing objects from moving vehicles.

Since 2011, four cyclists have died and seven have been seriously injured in roadway crashes. In that same period, neighboring Washington County — also popular with distance riders — has reported zero deaths or severe injuries.

Furious cyclists call for arrest, alleging teen driver menaced them before crash that injured 6

All of the cyclists survived, but two riders were taken to the hospital by helicopter,...

www.houstonchronicle.com

 

[HomerJS]

As always, more to the story. Nothing excuses the punk, but the bolded is not acceptable and would piss a lot of people off..

That relationship has for years been fraught in Waller County. The mostly rural county is ideal turf to have training rides for events such as the MS 150 bicycle ride between Houston and Austin. Triathletes also plan rides in Waller County, where few intersections and mostly wide open highways offer lengthy stretches that mimic organized competitions that shut down streets.

That popularity, however, sometimes creates conflict with local officials and drivers. Waller County Sheriff’s Office and county constables in 2016 ticketed bike riders for riding three-abreast and not yielding or flowing into a single file line to let automobile and truck traffic through. Drivers have complained of weekend trips halted at their own driveways as a peloton of hundreds of riders passes by.

Cyclists meanwhile say it is common for Waller County drivers to harass and intimidate them by passing too closely, aggressively accelerating and slowing or even tossing objects from moving vehicles.

Since 2011, four cyclists have died and seven have been seriously injured in roadway crashes. In that same period, neighboring Washington County — also popular with distance riders — has reported zero deaths or severe injuries.

Furious cyclists call for arrest, alleging teen driver menaced them before crash that injured 6

All of the cyclists survived, but two riders were taken to the hospital by helicopter,...

www.houstonchronicle.com

So the truckers were just protecting the integrity of their roads not just being assholes?

 

[VW MAN]

As always, more to the story. Nothing excuses the punk, but the bolded is not acceptable and would piss a lot of people off..

That relationship has for years been fraught in Waller County. The mostly rural county is ideal turf to have training rides for events such as the MS 150 bicycle ride between Houston and Austin. Triathletes also plan rides in Waller County, where few intersections and mostly wide open highways offer lengthy stretches that mimic organized competitions that shut down streets.

That popularity, however, sometimes creates conflict with local officials and drivers. Waller County Sheriff’s Office and county constables in 2016 ticketed bike riders for riding three-abreast and not yielding or flowing into a single file line to let automobile and truck traffic through. Drivers have complained of weekend trips halted at their own driveways as a peloton of hundreds of riders passes by.

Cyclists meanwhile say it is common for Waller County drivers to harass and intimidate them by passing too closely, aggressively accelerating and slowing or even tossing objects from moving vehicles.

Since 2011, four cyclists have died and seven have been seriously injured in roadway crashes. In that same period, neighboring Washington County — also popular with distance riders — has reported zero deaths or severe injuries.

Furious cyclists call for arrest, alleging teen driver menaced them before crash that injured 6

All of the cyclists survived, but two riders were taken to the hospital by helicopter,...

www.houstonchronicle.com

None of this justifies intentionally blowing toxic clouds in peoples faces nor using a vehicle to run bicyclists over. What this does say is there is work needed in that particular area by all parties involved to come up with safe and creative ways everyone can use the roads in a safe and sane manner.

 

[MrSquished]

As always, more to the story. Nothing excuses the punk, but the bolded is not acceptable and would piss a lot of people off..

That relationship has for years been fraught in Waller County. The mostly rural county is ideal turf to have training rides for events such as the MS 150 bicycle ride between Houston and Austin. Triathletes also plan rides in Waller County, where few intersections and mostly wide open highways offer lengthy stretches that mimic organized competitions that shut down streets.

That popularity, however, sometimes creates conflict with local officials and drivers. Waller County Sheriff’s Office and county constables in 2016 ticketed bike riders for riding three-abreast and not yielding or flowing into a single file line to let automobile and truck traffic through. Drivers have complained of weekend trips halted at their own driveways as a peloton of hundreds of riders passes by.

Cyclists meanwhile say it is common for Waller County drivers to harass and intimidate them by passing too closely, aggressively accelerating and slowing or even tossing objects from moving vehicles.

Since 2011, four cyclists have died and seven have been seriously injured in roadway crashes. In that same period, neighboring Washington County — also popular with distance riders — has reported zero deaths or severe injuries.

Furious cyclists call for arrest, alleging teen driver menaced them before crash that injured 6

All of the cyclists survived, but two riders were taken to the hospital by helicopter,...

www.houstonchronicle.com

I gotta say the bolded part about weekend trips being halted to wait for riders to pass before they can get out of their driveway is pretty rich. I mean fuck these people, they might have to wait a few minutes for a bunch of riders to go by at probably 15mph minimum speed if not faster. Cry me a river.

Anyways, yes of course, some cyclists ride poorly. I see them all the time around here. They should be educated or ticketed if it's dangerous or wrong. That in no way justifies purposeful harassment of cyclists just because they are cyclists.

A lot of drivers drive poorly too, do I go around using my vehicle to harass other drivers, getting a big truck and maybe getting real close to them or swerving at them like I'm going to run them off the road? And then maybe shit happens and I actually hit a car and seriously injure or kill someone? I'd be guilty of vehicular homicide most likely. The fact that there are shitty drivers out there in no way would justify my behavior in the slightest. This information changes zero about this kid's case.

 

[woolfe9998]

So the truckers were just protecting the integrity of their roads not just being assholes?

Haha, not a chance. The symbolism of spewing sooty smoke at them is hard to miss. In liberal San Francisco, we have exactly the same conflict between cyclists and motorists over blocking the roads and/or unsafe riding by bicyclists. While the bicyclists accuse the motorists of sometimes endangering them. In fact, we have a much bigger conflict in SF than they do in Waller County given that in SF there is a fleet of bike messengers riding on congested city streets.

Yet somehow no one ever "coal rolls" bicyclists around here. I wonder why.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Yet somehow no one ever "coal rolls" bicyclists around here. I wonder why.

Stringent emissions laws, testing and enforcement. Trust me, the people that would coal roll if they could still exist.

Here where we have zero emissions laws, testing, or enforcement coal rolling happens all day every day. I'll be sitting out on my patio facing the street minding my own business and they'll coal roll only next to me. Or others who have totally straight-piped exhausts will rev their engine to deafening volumes only next to me.

 

[woolfe9998]

Stringent emissions laws, testing and enforcement. Trust me, the people that would coal roll if they could still exist.

Here where we have zero emissions laws, testing, or enforcement coal rolling happens all day every day. I'll be sitting out on my patio facing the street minding my own business and they'll coal roll only next to me. Or others who have totally straight-piped exhausts will rev their engine to deafening volumes only next to me.

Dunno where you live, but we're talking TX here. Coal rolling is illegal there. They can write you a ticket for it. Exactly the same here in CA. May be some difference in enforcement but the laws are similar.

Sheriff’s Office Steps Up Enforcement Of 'Rolling Coal'

There’s a trend in San Antonio that seems to be on the rise and it isn’t good for people or the environment.Some drivers have rigged their vehicles so…

www.tpr.org

 

[HomerJS]

Stringent emissions laws, testing and enforcement. Trust me, the people that would coal roll if they could still exist.

Here where we have zero emissions laws, testing, or enforcement coal rolling happens all day every day. I'll be sitting out on my patio facing the street minding my own business and they'll coal roll only next to me. Or others who have totally straight-piped exhausts will rev their engine to deafening volumes only next to me.

Damn those civilized states.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Dunno where you live, but we're talking TX here. Coal rolling is illegal there. They can write you a ticket for it. Exactly the same here in CA. May be some difference in enforcement but the laws are similar.

Sheriff’s Office Steps Up Enforcement Of 'Rolling Coal'

There’s a trend in San Antonio that seems to be on the rise and it isn’t good for people or the environment.Some drivers have rigged their vehicles so…

www.tpr.org

I misspoke. We have emissions laws but no testing or enforcement in almost every county. Police don't care to enforce any of the laws and no tickets are ever given.

I'd wager enforcement in most counties in Texas is similar.

 

[fleshconsumed]

As always, more to the story. Nothing excuses the punk, but the bolded is not acceptable and would piss a lot of people off..

That relationship has for years been fraught in Waller County. The mostly rural county is ideal turf to have training rides for events such as the MS 150 bicycle ride between Houston and Austin. Triathletes also plan rides in Waller County, where few intersections and mostly wide open highways offer lengthy stretches that mimic organized competitions that shut down streets.

That popularity, however, sometimes creates conflict with local officials and drivers. Waller County Sheriff’s Office and county constables in 2016 ticketed bike riders for riding three-abreast and not yielding or flowing into a single file line to let automobile and truck traffic through. Drivers have complained of weekend trips halted at their own driveways as a peloton of hundreds of riders passes by.

Cyclists meanwhile say it is common for Waller County drivers to harass and intimidate them by passing too closely, aggressively accelerating and slowing or even tossing objects from moving vehicles.

Since 2011, four cyclists have died and seven have been seriously injured in roadway crashes. In that same period, neighboring Washington County — also popular with distance riders — has reported zero deaths or severe injuries.

Furious cyclists call for arrest, alleging teen driver menaced them before crash that injured 6

All of the cyclists survived, but two riders were taken to the hospital by helicopter,...

www.houstonchronicle.com

"Drivers have complained of weekend trips halted at their own driveways as a peloton of hundreds of riders passes by."

Puh-lease....

An entire weekend trip halted because they can't wait couple of minutes until they can get out of their driveway? Bullshit reasoning and bullshit article.

As someone above has said, yes, some bicyclists behave like assholes. However, a bicyclist behaving like an asshole typically means slight inconvenience to a motorist, a motorist behaving like an asshole can mean people airlifted to a hospital. A, the two are not comparable, and B, shitty cyclist behavior does not justify putting their lives in danger.

 

[Zorba]

Felony murder rule requires that the underlying act is a felony. The coal rolling was not a felony. Probably a misdemeanor.

I know.

I thought assault would be a felony, but apparently it's a class A misdemeanor. Although it could possibly count as aggravated assault, which is a second degree felony.

 

[woolfe9998]

I know.

I thought assault would be a felony, but apparently it's a class A misdemeanor. Although it could possibly count as aggravated assault, which is a second degree felony.

Would depend on the degree of injury. But "assault" cannot be the basis of felony murder because an assault merges into the elements of murder. If they didn't have that rule, every killing would be felony murder because all contain the elements of assault.

I was referring to the "coal rolling" which is probably either a misdemeanor or an infraction.

 

[Zorba]

As always, more to the story. Nothing excuses the punk, but the bolded is not acceptable and would piss a lot of people off..

That relationship has for years been fraught in Waller County. The mostly rural county is ideal turf to have training rides for events such as the MS 150 bicycle ride between Houston and Austin. Triathletes also plan rides in Waller County, where few intersections and mostly wide open highways offer lengthy stretches that mimic organized competitions that shut down streets.

That popularity, however, sometimes creates conflict with local officials and drivers. Waller County Sheriff’s Office and county constables in 2016 ticketed bike riders for riding three-abreast and not yielding or flowing into a single file line to let automobile and truck traffic through. Drivers have complained of weekend trips halted at their own driveways as a peloton of hundreds of riders passes by.

Cyclists meanwhile say it is common for Waller County drivers to harass and intimidate them by passing too closely, aggressively accelerating and slowing or even tossing objects from moving vehicles.

Since 2011, four cyclists have died and seven have been seriously injured in roadway crashes. In that same period, neighboring Washington County — also popular with distance riders — has reported zero deaths or severe injuries.

Furious cyclists call for arrest, alleging teen driver menaced them before crash that injured 6

All of the cyclists survived, but two riders were taken to the hospital by helicopter,...

www.houstonchronicle.com

I've learned to never move over all the way to right, because people will pass you way too tight.

 

[Zorba]

Would depend on the degree of injury. But "assault" cannot be the basis of felony murder because an assault merges into the elements of murder. If they didn't have that rule, every killing would be felony murder because all contain the elements of assault.

I was referring to the "coal rolling" which is probably either a misdemeanor or an infraction.

I know they don't generally, but purposefully rolling coal on bikers should be considered assault. The whole purpose is to intimidate and possibly harm the receiver. And it's almost always done in reckless manner in violation of multiple vehicle laws.