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I saw an interesting discovery show on the great flood once. They had some interesting ideas of where the(biblical) story came from. If I remember right, they narrowed it down to being near Greece. Of course the flood was a good bit more limited in scope that the book would indicate :^D
 
"the group says carbon dating proves..."

wait, what? I thought evangelicals rejected hokey science stuff like carbon dating b/c it irrevocably refutes their notion of a 5000, or 10,000 year-old earth? I mean, fuck, the shits go out of their way to argue that the entire method of carbon dating is inherently flawed.

yet, here...they use this exact technique to try and prove that some ancient goat herders shack is some other dude's boat.


I guess such methods are only valid when convenient. Kind of like how contradictory passages in the bible are only convenient when one particular side of the argument fits one's specific belief or judgment... :hmm:
 
The Sun?
Let me guess, Batboy was part of the group which found it?



AstroManLuca said:
I thought carbon dating was flawed and inaccurate?
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Only if it gives a date >6000yrs. 😀



zinfamous said:
I guess such methods are only valid when convenient. Kind of like how contradictory passages in the bible are only convenient when one particular side of the argument fits one's specific belief or judgment... :hmm:
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I rather liked the interpretation I first saw on Youtube - that some of the passages in the Bible could be interpreted to indicate that God is actually a volcano.
 
preslove said:
It's pretty disturbing how many people actually believe that there was an ark. The belief pretty much requires an absolute ignorance.

If there had been an ark, we would be able to track every species of land mammal back to one specific place. This would be incredibly easy. Unfortunately there are millions and millions of americans too stupid to understand this.
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Well someone had to have rescued the Eskimos, right?

wait...what?
 
so, even if they found a boat that was of the age that they think (or, more accurately, have no idea) noah's ark should be, how the fuck would they deem that it was his? will it have 'noah wuz here' carved on it?
 
brblx said:
so, even if they found a boat that was of the age that they think (or, more accurately, have no idea) noah's ark should be, how the fuck would they deem that it was his? will it have 'noah wuz here' carved on it?
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Wouldn't you find the petrified dung and DNA from every creature on earth? Should be a piece of cake to prove that this is Noah's Ark.
 
brblx said:
so, even if they found a boat that was of the age that they think (or, more accurately, have no idea) noah's ark should be, how the fuck would they deem that it was his? will it have 'noah wuz here' carved on it?
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"Noah <3 Ham"



(Ham was a son of Noah, the one that glimpsed his dad's penor after one drunken evening. A panel on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel is devoted to the Noah penor incident, or as it was known in its day, "Penorgate")
 
preslove said:
It's pretty disturbing how many people actually believe that there was an ark. The belief pretty much requires an absolute ignorance.

If there had been an ark, we would be able to track every species of land mammal back to one specific place. This would be incredibly easy. Unfortunately there are millions and millions of americans too stupid to understand this.
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What's the difference between thinking there was an ark and there wasn't one? Do you have evidence either way? There WAS a large flood in the area due to a large natural dam break around what is now the Strait of Gibraltar, and nearly every culture in that area of the world has an ancient tale of a "flood" and how "someone saved a great deal by building a large boat." While I don't think anyone seriously believes that every animal in the world was taken 2 by 2 onto the ark, it is reasonable to say that there may have been a farm village that saved all of it's animals in this method- hence the story. Time and exaggeration probably made the legend to what it is today.

People with that spiteful "IF IT'S IN THE BIBLE IT'S HOGWASH" attitudes are just as annoying as the literal translation bible thumpers. There's a lot of history in the bible, and it can be used as a tool to uncover our past.
 
Fritzo said:
People with that spiteful "IF IT'S IN THE BIBLE IT'S HOGWASH" attitudes are just as annoying as the literal translation bible thumpers. There's a lot of history in the bible, and it can be used as a tool to uncover our past.
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the version in the bible is most definitely hogwash (or 'bullshit,' to those of us who weren't born in the 1920's).

did some asshole float around on a boat thousands of years ago, during what he mistakenly thought was a global flood, with a few local animal species to keep him company?

quite possibly. the bible version? no.
 
lxskllr said:
I saw an interesting discovery show on the great flood once. They had some interesting ideas of where the(biblical) story came from. If I remember right, they narrowed it down to being near Greece. Of course the flood was a good bit more limited in scope that the book would indicate :^D
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the most common explanation is the explosion of Santorini in the agean which happened ~1500-1600BC. flooded most things around the med
 
brblx said:
the version in the bible is most definitely hogwash (or 'bullshit,' to those of us who weren't born in the 1920's).

did some asshole float around on a boat thousands of years ago, during what he mistakenly thought was a global flood, with a few local animal species to keep him company?

quite possibly. the bible version? no.
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The point fritzo was making, is the bible can give pointers to where to look for things, and clues to what happened in the past. Sometimes it's the only record available, and even fanciful information based in fact can be useful.
 
brblx said:
so, even if they found a boat that was of the age that they think (or, more accurately, have no idea) noah's ark should be, how the fuck would they deem that it was his? will it have 'noah wuz here' carved on it?
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the thing that gets me is that they already found Noah's Ark on the same mountain...how the hell can you have more than 1 Noah's Ark? Are these fakes? Besides, the idea of putting 2 of every animal on 1 boat is ridiculous.
 
pontifex said:
the thing that gets me is that they already found Noah's Ark on the same mountain...how the hell can you have more than 1 Noah's Ark? Are these fakes? Besides, the idea of putting 2 of every animal on 1 boat is ridiculous.
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It was a catamaran :^P
 
pontifex said:
the thing that gets me is that they already found Noah's Ark on the same mountain...how the hell can you have more than 1 Noah's Ark? Are these fakes? Besides, the idea of putting 2 of every animal on 1 boat is ridiculous.
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well, if you were to assemble "The True Cross" out of all of the known fragments of the "True Cross" existing in the World's reliquaries, you'd have ~32 "True Crosses."

Catholics and their relics are quite awesome.
 
This has been known for quite sometime, though I thought the Turkish government didn't actually let people investigate or something.
 
lxskllr said:
The point fritzo was making, is the bible can give pointers to where to look for things, and clues to what happened in the past. Sometimes it's the only record available, and even fanciful information based in fact can be useful.
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More than likely there was no single "Great Flood," that started all the different flood myths. Human settlements grew up around river basins (the Tigris, Euphrates, Nile, then Yangtze in China, and many more). These rivers often flooded, killing many people and starting a myth. This is why flood myths show up in most religions.

Fritzo said:
What's the difference between thinking there was an ark and there wasn't one? Do you have evidence either way? There WAS a large flood in the area due to a large natural dam break around what is now the Strait of Gibraltar, and nearly every culture in that area of the world has an ancient tale of a "flood" and how "someone saved a great deal by building a large boat." While I don't think anyone seriously believes that every animal in the world was taken 2 by 2 onto the ark, it is reasonable to say that there may have been a farm village that saved all of it's animals in this method- hence the story. Time and exaggeration probably made the legend to what it is today.

People with that spiteful "IF IT'S IN THE BIBLE IT'S HOGWASH" attitudes are just as annoying as the literal translation bible thumpers. There's a lot of history in the bible, and it can be used as a tool to uncover our past.
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The thing is, the myths often get transmitted to other cultures. The Sumerian empire, which had a boat in its myth, predates every single other culture that has a big boat in its mythology. The Jewish flood myth is almost certainly just taken from the Sumerian myth. Not a different account, but later jewish scribes just writing down the myth that first was written down by sumerian scribes.

And just because there was a story about a boat first written down in Sumeria a couple thousand years ago doesn't mean there actually was a boat. More than likely, there was a really fucked up flood on the Tigris and the boat story was added later. That's what happens with these myths. They're mostly embellished.

Oh, and your idea about the gibralter flood is silly. That event occured 5.4 million years ago. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gen...e_filled_Mediterranean_in_less_than_two_years
Humans didn't even exist when it happened.
 
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