they dont allow blacks at oxford or cambridge

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CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Look up who the fellows are - it's freely available information on the website for each college. I was at the Open Days while working there, not as part of the interview process. I don't really have any stake in the argument either way, but I read up quite a bit about the English class system before living there and working at Oxford, and I can say with a high degree of certainty that race, occupation, and money have nothing to do with your class. Your class is determined by your mannerisms, house decor, and a lot of other factors which are all independent of money, occupation, and race. I read an entire book on the subject, written by an Oxford anthropologist, which is quite interesting. It certainly saved my bacon in a few social situations which would otherwise be indecipherable by American cultural standards (e.g. the port always travels anticlockwise, or is it clockwise? I knew back in January :p).

It seems that you're saying that class is determined by adherence to the majority English culture. That would disadvantage many minority groups who don't subscribe to the mannerisms and house decor favored by the majority.
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
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It seems that you're saying that class is determined by adherence to the majority English culture. That would disadvantage many minority groups who don't subscribe to the mannerisms and house decor favored by the majority.
Have you ever been to England? The blacks there behave in an indistinguishable manner from the whites (by and large, of course). While the UK has an overabundance of problems, I don't think racism is one of them. While I sometimes agree with your anti-European sentiment, the UK is very much different from mainstream Europe. There is plenty of blame to go around; I'm just asking you to assign it its proper place. Racism in elite English schools isn't really one of them. Indeed, the relevant information is available online: Oxford and Cambridge.