they dont allow blacks at oxford or cambridge

[CanOWorms]

ANother dumb thing about the article. It says Oxford received 35 applications from black students last year! How is it Oxford's fault if it has to choose from black 35 applicants?

It's the UK's fault. That is some serious social problem going on there. Maybe treating people like people instead of dogs would help.

 

[Infohawk]

It's the UK's fault. That is some serious social problem going on there. Maybe treating people like people instead of dogs would help.

So you're saying the UK or Oxford stops black people from even applying? Not sure how it can be their fault there are only 35 applications otherwise.

 

[CanOWorms]

So you're saying the UK or Oxford stops black people from even applying? Not sure how it can be their fault there are only 35 applications otherwise.

I'm saying that they created that environment. There is a massive failure on parts of European governments to include minority groups into education, employment, etc. Even many third-world countries have some serious affirmative action style programs going on to fix these types of things. Yet Europeans tend to ignore it and then contemplate genocide.

 

[Infohawk]

I'm saying that they created that environment. There is a massive failure on parts of European governments to include minority groups into education, employment, etc. Even many third-world countries have some serious affirmative action style programs going on to fix these types of things. Yet Europeans tend to ignore it and then contemplate genocide.

So do you feel safe saying that East Asians are also underrepresented at Oxbridge? After all Europeans must discriminate against them too right?

I take it your a fan of affirmative action in the US too then?

 

[CanOWorms]

So do you feel safe saying that East Asians are also underrepresented at Oxbridge? After all Europeans must discriminate against them too right?

I have no idea. There is a lot of discrimination against East Asians in Europe, especially in places like Italy.

I take it your a fan of affirmative action in the US too then?

I'm not sure I would say that I'm a fan, but I think that it's an appropriate tool.

 

[ShawnD1]

ANother dumb thing about the article. It says Oxford received 35 applications from black students last year! How is it Oxford's fault if it has to choose from black 35 applicants?

A better question is how they would even know the applicants are black....


When I applied for university, there wasn't any box to check my race unless I was an indian with treaty status.

 

[Infohawk]

I have no idea. There is a lot of discrimination against East Asians in Europe, especially in places like Italy.

You have no idea if Asians are discriminated against in Europe and at Oxbridge? I thought you were pretty convinced they hated all non-whites over there? I mean if what you say is true about the UK having failed minorities, you should be pretty confident that East Asians are underrepresented.

PS please tell me your Italian anecdote/story about East Asians.

 

[CanOWorms]

You have no idea if Asians are discriminated against in Europe and at Oxbridge? I thought you were pretty convinced they hated all non-whites over there? I mean if what you say is true about the UK having failed minorities, you should be pretty confident that East Asians are underrepresented.

I have no idea if they're underrepresented. I haven't looked at their demographics.

Do you feel that these statistics in the OP's article are acceptable?

PS please tell me your Italian anecdote/story about East Asians.

I never tell stories regarding anyone. I have posted articles from human rights groups and journalists regarding the oppression of the Chinese in Italy before though.

 

[Infohawk]

I have no idea if they're underrepresented. I haven't looked at their demographics.

Do you feel that these statistics in the OP's article are acceptable?

I never tell stories regarding anyone. I have posted articles from human rights groups and journalists regarding the oppression of the Chinese in Italy before though.

I think the article is horribly research and doesn't give enough information. But I don't think the government is responsible if only 35 blacks apply in a year. Nobody's stopping them from applying. But maybe you're just really liberal and think people have no control over their own lives?

I'm still confused why you aren't sure that Asians are underepresented. It would seem to me that if your theory was true about Europeans and the UK that you would be certain that Asians are represented due to racism by whites...

 

[CanOWorms]

I think the article is horribly research and doesn't give enough information. But I don't think the government is responsible if only 35 blacks apply in a year. Nobody's stopping them from applying. But maybe you're just really liberal and think people have no control over their own lives?

I think that the government is partly responsible for such a social disaster.

I'm still confused why you aren't sure that Asians are underepresented. It would seem to me that if your theory was true about Europeans and the UK that you would be certain that Asians are represented due to racism by whites...

It is possible to slip through the cracks, overcome and become successful, etc. You have a really low opinion of minority groups. I guess this fits your theory on racial intelligence.

 

[ShawnD1]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7974889.stm

17-year-old Krishna Darji from Leicester is predicted all A's but told us city-based universities like University College London or Manchester are more likely to tempt her.

"I've been put off Cambridge and Oxford. I went there on a trip and because there's loads of Asian background people from our school, when we went there and is was loads of, well, non-Asians , we were like oh ok, we don't really fit in here. It's so medieval and like just, like…..old".

So basically minorities don't want to go there because they feel they don't fit in. I can respect that. I know I would feel out of place if I went to Detroit and was the only not-black person in the entire city.

 

[Infohawk]

It is possible to slip through the cracks, overcome and become successful, etc. You have a really low opinion of minority groups. I guess this fits your theory on racial intelligence.

Stop lying, I don't have a theory on racial intelligence. How do you justify your lies? Aren't you ashamed?

What the hell does slipping through the cracks and overcome have to do with statistics? Again, why aren't you sure that as a whole, East Asians are underrepresented at Oxbridge? If you have any faith in your far-fetched theories, you should be really confident about that.

 

[Infohawk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7974889.stm


So basically minorities don't want to go there because they feel they don't fit in. I can respect that. I know I would feel out of place if I went to Detroit and was the only not-black person in the entire city.

So basically she doesn't want to have to deal with white people. Who's racist? They're free to make that choice but it's not white people or the government's fault they only feel comfortable among their peers. Why did they immigrate to the UK again?

 

[CanOWorms]

Stop lying, I don't have a theory on racial intelligence. How do you justify your lies? Aren't you ashamed?

What the hell does slipping through the cracks and overcome have to do with statistics? Again, why aren't you sure that as a whole, East Asians are underrepresented at Oxbridge? If you have any faith in your far-fetched theories, you should be really confident about that.

I would think that you would have noticed by now that when you make stuff up, I will make stuff up.

 

[CanOWorms]

So basically she doesn't want to have to deal with white people. Who's racist? They're free to make that choice but it's not white people or the government's fault they only feel comfortable among their peers. Why did they immigrate to the UK again?

No, she doesn't want to deal with lack of diversity. It's a serious issue.

 

[Infohawk]

I would think that you would have noticed by now that when you make stuff up, I will make stuff up.

Except I don't make stuff up. I say you want to bomb civilian areas in London. You actually said that. You say I have theories of racial intelligence when I've never said anything like that.

Anyway, the real issue here is that you aren't sure about your convictions. If you were, you would say that East Asians are underrepresented at Oxbridge. But apparently you don't really believe your arguments.

 

[Infohawk]

No, she doesn't want to deal with lack of diversity. It's a serious issue.

Based on what she said she makes it pretty clear she prefers to be surrounded by loads of her type. That's usually considered racist.

But realistically you probably only think whites can be racist. If a white person doesn't feel comfortable surrounded by South Asians, they're racist. If a South Asian doesn't feel comfortable surrounded by Whites, they're not. Am I right?

 

[CanOWorms]

Based on what she said she makes it pretty clear she prefers to be surrounded by loads of her type. That's usually considered racist.

I interpret it as wanting diversity. Of course you would interpret anything in support of diversity as negative.

But realistically you probably only think whites can be racist. If a white person doesn't feel comfortable surrounded by South Asians, they're racist. If a South Asian doesn't feel comfortable surrounded by Whites, they're not. Am I right?

You have a really bad memory. Just an hour or so ago we were discussing Dutch-Moroccan/Turkish youths in the Netherlands.

 

[Infohawk]

I interpret it as wanting diversity. Of course you would interpret anything in support of diversity as negative.



You have a really bad memory. Just an hour or so ago we were discussing Dutch-Moroccan/Turkish youths in the Netherlands.

And what about that? Did you say the Moroccan/Turkish youths were racist? I missed that?

Can you answer these straightforward questions:
Is it racist when a white person says they don't want to be surrounded by South Asians?
Is it racist when a South Asian says they don't want to be sourrounded by Whites?

 

[CanOWorms]

And what about that? Did you say the Moroccan/Turkish youths were racist? I missed that?

Yes.

Can you answer these straightforward questions:
Is it racist when a white person says they don't want to be surrounded by South Asians?
Is it racist when a South Asian says they don't want to be sourrounded by Whites?

Why wouldn't it be?

You like to ask a lot of questions.

 

[Infohawk]

Why wouldn't it be?

You like to ask a lot of questions.

Why not? Because you basically defended the girl here that said that? Why do I get the feeling if that girl was white you'd be screaming that she's a racist?

 

[Double Trouble]

Do you feel that these statistics in the OP's article are acceptable?

Well, 90% of players in the NFL are black, whites are severely underrepresented. Clearly, the NFL is racist and prejudiced against whites, that's the only possible answer. Or, a more sane person might think "hmmm, perhaps there are reasons other than prejudice and discrimination that a certain situation has come to be". Should we contact the NFL to let them know this barbaric situation must be remedied? Perhaps a rule giving white players a first down after 5 yards instead of 10? Good plan. Maybe after that, we could take on the NBA, another bastion of anti-asian and anti-white racism. </sarcasm>

 

[Double Trouble]

No, she doesn't want to deal with lack of diversity. It's a serious issue.

She doesn't want to go to a certain place because she wants to be among people similar to her in terms of race/culture/ethnicity. That's most certainly her right, but that means it's completely her choice. As long as nobody is denying her the same choice everyone else has, there is no issue. It's up to each person to decide where they want to go (provided they are qualified).

 

[CanOWorms]

Why not? Because you basically defended the girl here that said that? Why do I get the feeling if that girl was white you'd be screaming that she's a racist?

Do you hate diversity?

 

[CanOWorms]

Well, 90% of players in the NFL are black, whites are severely underrepresented. Clearly, the NFL is racist and prejudiced against whites, that's the only possible answer. Or, a more sane person might think "hmmm, perhaps there are reasons other than prejudice and discrimination that a certain situation has come to be". Should we contact the NFL to let them know this barbaric situation must be remedied? Perhaps a rule giving white players a first down after 5 yards instead of 10? Good plan. Maybe after that, we could take on the NBA, another bastion of anti-asian and anti-white racism. </sarcasm>

Maybe the NFL should try for some more diversity.

Sure, there are many reasons. But something as basic as enrollment and applications to the premiere educational institutions in the country seems to be in a different class that atheltes. Education should be much more fundamental and less susceptible to these social factors.