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They do it differently in India, eh?

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go to a good Indian restaurant and try some of the other food. You'll love it.

I agree! 😀

Several comments about the Indian and Asian immigrants seeming to make better of themselves than others. One I believe is the work ethic, and the other is the close knit family and support. Uncles make loans to get them started, others put them up in their houses until they can save and move into their own place. They support and help each other.

And yes, there are always exceptions when generalizing. at my former job, I had several consultants from India working for me. The first was a hard worker, and fast. He is one of the few people that I had a hard time laying out enough work for. Every time I would thinksomething would take half a day, he had it done in 2 hours. He and his wife were here just getting started. Unfortunately, his mother who was still in India became ill, and as the eldest son, it was his responsiblilty to return and help the family take care of her. He gave up his job at the consulting firm, his career here in America to go back and help his family.

His replacement, also from India, was worthless. He interviewed well, but when it came to actually working, he didn't do squat. He would spend his time sending emails to friends, and surfing the Internet. I was letting the project leader work with him, trying to lay out work. I finally had to step in and let him go, when I gave him a task that should have taken about an hour, and I gave him half a day. At the end of the day, it still wasn't done, and when I went to talk with him, there the task sat, with him on email and Internet. He was out of there the next day.

I'm working with a firm comprised of mostly people from India, and they are great. Hard working, bend over backwards to help, and enjoyable to be around. I wish more companies I have to deal with approached business like they do.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I've mentioned this fellow in the past - a guy I work with is Indian and has been in the US for a few years. He went to India 2 years ago and out of a group of girls whom he quickly interviewed selected one as the lucky bride. They now live in the US and had a kid a month back. This guy makes decent money but they still live in a one bedroom apartment that I KNOW he could easily afford to upgrade to at least a two. So, he has a wife and kid and a one bedroom apartment.

Of course his mother had to come along to oversee the birthing and she's been with them for a couple of months. He sleeps on the couch. He has also in the past had two cousins visit for weeks or months on end (Indians take the longest freaking vacations) and they all stay in this one bedroom apartment.

Weirder still is that his wife very soon is going back to India to stay with relatives for THREE months. He is going to miss his new born son and wife for a three month stretch. I realize that India has one billion people and quarters are cramped over there, but it seems that they are so used to it that it doesn't bother them. If I was dirt poor I'd live in cramped quarters, but as soon as I had the money for a larger apartment/home I'd jump on it, and this guy just seems to have no complaints at all!

Quite a bit different from where I live (ouside Houston, TX). A good amount of the Indians here live in 8,000+ sq. feet houses. One guy lives in a 19,000 mansion.

 
There's nothing wrong with being thrifty.I've got the best job I've ever had right now and am trying to disicipline myself to be thrifty because I have longer term goals and plans that mean a helluva lot more to me than short term gratification.
 
Originally posted by: GoodToGo
If I was dirt poor I'd live in cramped quarters, but as soon as I had the money for a larger apartment/home I'd jump on it, and this guy just seems to have no complaints at all!

Umm not really, there is a very huge middle class in India. They live in houses which are not mansions by any standard but they definitely arent cramped anyways either. It also depends on which city you are living in. If you are living in cities like Bombay (or Mumbai), the rates are damn expensive (somewhat like New York) and you are forced in live in cramped places. Otherwise houses can be much bigger than the houses in USA.

Now why this guy is living in a one bedroom apartment is something I cant explain. I can just speculate that he thinks he can manage with a one bedroom apartment (which is not totally wrong) and he will upgrade when he has another kid (which could be a few years down the line). So theres no real need to live in a two bedroom apartment. Of course he could just be stingy and be doing this for the need of saving money😛

Yup, Bombay is very expensive. Definitely top 10 in the world.

Link to Most expensive office spaces 2001
 
Originally posted by: baffled2
There's nothing wrong with being thrifty.I've got the best job I've ever had right now and am trying to disicipline myself to be thrifty because I have longer term goals and plans that mean a helluva lot more to me than short term gratification.

Well thats good. So many Americans end up living pay check to pay check and have credit card debts over their heads. I don't know the situation of Skoorb's friend, but maybe he's planning something, like opening up a company or buying a house...?

 
Originally posted by: dabuddha
One thing about indian culture is that education is very important there. It's unbelievable how much they stress it to the children.


Sometimes they stress it TOO much. It's a well known fact that in the U.K. there is an unusually high suicide rate among Indian-descendant university students (usually male).

 
Originally posted by: GoodToGo
LOL! Thats so true. You either become any engineer, doctor, accountant or something related to computers(latest fad). Otherwise you @ss is brass 😛

Ain't that the truth. I'm actually a History major but I've been telling people in my family that I'm either "not sure what my major is" or "I'm... uh, in Economics" mainly because I don't want the hassle of over-anxious relatives breathing down my neck.

 
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Yes, I noticed that most of the Indian co-workers that I know are quite thrifty. Most of them seem to carpool in a small Japanese compact car (like a Honda Civic, or a Toyota Corolla), and bring bag lunches. I can't blame them for the lunches, however, because our cafeteria has a lousy vegetarian selection.

Anyway, many of them seem to have a small family in India, which they go home and visit for a few months out of the year. The Indian co-workers that I talked to told me that one of the main reasons that they work here is for the money, because they can make twice as much here as they can in India. Most of them only stay in the US for a few years, however, before returning to India for good. I can't blame them, because being away from your family for long periods of time probably sucks for them.

As for the Indian work ethic, I honestly think that it's overrated. Some of my Indian co-workers work 50+ hours a week like myself, but most of them do not. I've seen some of those Indian carpools leave at 4:30 every day, and some of them seem to waste an hour every day reading Indian news web sites. In other words, they don't seem to work any more OR less than the white or asian employees.

I do think the Indian work ethic is much better. And I'm not the only one. Major software development companies like Adobe, Microsoft, etc. seem to think that too. There is an astronomically high percentage of Indian programmers in Microsoft, for example, yet they make up only 1 percent of the U.S. population, at most. Then you have guys like Sanjiv Sidhu, Vinod Khosla, Deshpande, The co founder of Computer associates, bose audio, the list goes on, all Indians all near billionaires if not. Considering as a whole they make up 1 percent or less, that is testament to their work ethic. Lets face it, they don't get any advantages over the next guy in this country.

anyways, this is off topic...
 
Originally posted by: Shiva112
It will make an interesting study to see how 2nd generation Indians will compare to 1st generation Indians. I'm sure the "success rate" will take a drastic dive. I see way too many spoiled Indian kids that do all kinds of crap behind their parents back and get away with it. Its amazing how "in the dark" some Indian parents are. It scares me to imagine some of these kids as parents. Lots of these kids have a real problem with cultural identity too. Some of them act like they're black, some of them act like they're white, and the rest don't know what they are.

There are certain subdivisions within "2nd generation Indians" which don't take a dive, and in fact are just as successful as 1st generation Indians. In particular, families from South India (and Sri Lanka) tend to maintain the pro-education and pro-work-ethic spirit over the generations, and many of the 2nd generation families I know have kids doing great in school, going to good universities, etc.

For example, I attend the #1 Canadian mid-sized University (rated by Maclean's mag, our version of the USNews ratings). We have a co-op programme and it's full of Indian-descendent kids, 90% of them are second-generation. To get into the co-op they have to achieve grades above and beyond what's normally required for their programme. So computer engineering needs 95% instead of 90%, etc.
 
Originally posted by: LocutusX
Originally posted by: Shiva112
It will make an interesting study to see how 2nd generation Indians will compare to 1st generation Indians. I'm sure the "success rate" will take a drastic dive. I see way too many spoiled Indian kids that do all kinds of crap behind their parents back and get away with it. Its amazing how "in the dark" some Indian parents are. It scares me to imagine some of these kids as parents. Lots of these kids have a real problem with cultural identity too. Some of them act like they're black, some of them act like they're white, and the rest don't know what they are.

There are certain subdivisions within "2nd generation Indians" which don't take a dive, and in fact are just as successful as 1st generation Indians. In particular, families from South India (and Sri Lanka) tend to maintain the pro-education and pro-work-ethic spirit over the generations, and many of the 2nd generation families I know have kids doing great in school, going to good universities, etc.

For example, I attend the #1 Canadian mid-sized University (rated by Maclean's mag, our version of the USNews ratings). We have a co-op programme and it's full of Indian-descendent kids, 90% of them are second-generation. To get into the co-op they have to achieve grades above and beyond what's normally required for their programme. So computer engineering needs 95% instead of 90%, etc.

That is true. South Indians have a generally good work ethic, and their academic success if very high. The one exception would be Malayalees from my experience. Many of them go into the blue collar lifestyle. No offense anyone.

However, not all north Indians take a dive as far as finances are concerned. For example, the Punjabi work ethic usually remains. The punjabi work ethic is arguably the best in India as they have made money in all sorts of professions, and lots of it too (many times without high levels of education). They are usually more entrepreneurial, and harder working people. They are more of a risk taker and tend to be more ambitious and have more drive. On the other hand they tend to be less pragmatic and less focused (imo) than South Indians. They are also not submissive like a lot of other Indians are and would probably wish to open their own business in the long term as opposed to working for others for their professional lives. But one example would be the early settlers of California, who fought their way to own the land, and now, from what i hear, some of their ancestors on thousands of acres of prime property in Cali.
 
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: LocutusX
Originally posted by: Shiva112
It will make an interesting study to see how 2nd generation Indians will compare to 1st generation Indians. I'm sure the "success rate" will take a drastic dive. I see way too many spoiled Indian kids that do all kinds of crap behind their parents back and get away with it. Its amazing how "in the dark" some Indian parents are. It scares me to imagine some of these kids as parents. Lots of these kids have a real problem with cultural identity too. Some of them act like they're black, some of them act like they're white, and the rest don't know what they are.

There are certain subdivisions within "2nd generation Indians" which don't take a dive, and in fact are just as successful as 1st generation Indians. In particular, families from South India (and Sri Lanka) tend to maintain the pro-education and pro-work-ethic spirit over the generations, and many of the 2nd generation families I know have kids doing great in school, going to good universities, etc.

For example, I attend the #1 Canadian mid-sized University (rated by Maclean's mag, our version of the USNews ratings). We have a co-op programme and it's full of Indian-descendent kids, 90% of them are second-generation. To get into the co-op they have to achieve grades above and beyond what's normally required for their programme. So computer engineering needs 95% instead of 90%, etc.

That is true. South Indians have a generally good work ethic, and their academic success if very high. The one exception would be Malayalees from my experience. Many of them go into the blue collar lifestyle. No offense anyone.

However, not all north Indians take a dive as far as finances are concerned. For example, the Punjabi work ethic usually remains. The punjabi work ethic is arguably the best in India as they have made money in all sorts of professions, and lots of it too (many times without high levels of education). They are usually more entrepreneurial, and harder working people. They are more of a risk taker and tend to be more ambitious and have more drive. On the other hand they tend to be less pragmatic and less focused (imo) than South Indians. They are also not submissive like a lot of other Indians are and would probably wish to open their own business in the long term as opposed to working for others for their professional lives. But one example would be the early settlers of California, who fought their way to own the land, and now, from what i hear, some of their ancestors on thousands of acres of prime property in Cali.

SherEPunjab, you seemed like you almost had a point about Indian work ethic...until you just slam the Malayalees randomly and then qualify it with a "No offense anyone". At this point, I don't think anyone really cares about your "experience". It would be like me saying, "SherEPunjab is an ingrate who lacks the semblance of intelligence and just babbles incessantly. No offense SherEPunjab. "

To the rest of you guys that read this thread...I highly suggest you discard SherEPunjab's rant and form your own experiences with individuals and not categorize an entire group.
 
Originally posted by: llc00ljoel
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: LocutusX
Originally posted by: Shiva112
It will make an interesting study to see how 2nd generation Indians will compare to 1st generation Indians. I'm sure the "success rate" will take a drastic dive. I see way too many spoiled Indian kids that do all kinds of crap behind their parents back and get away with it. Its amazing how "in the dark" some Indian parents are. It scares me to imagine some of these kids as parents. Lots of these kids have a real problem with cultural identity too. Some of them act like they're black, some of them act like they're white, and the rest don't know what they are.

There are certain subdivisions within "2nd generation Indians" which don't take a dive, and in fact are just as successful as 1st generation Indians. In particular, families from South India (and Sri Lanka) tend to maintain the pro-education and pro-work-ethic spirit over the generations, and many of the 2nd generation families I know have kids doing great in school, going to good universities, etc.

For example, I attend the #1 Canadian mid-sized University (rated by Maclean's mag, our version of the USNews ratings). We have a co-op programme and it's full of Indian-descendent kids, 90% of them are second-generation. To get into the co-op they have to achieve grades above and beyond what's normally required for their programme. So computer engineering needs 95% instead of 90%, etc.

That is true. South Indians have a generally good work ethic, and their academic success if very high. The one exception would be Malayalees from my experience. Many of them go into the blue collar lifestyle. No offense anyone.

However, not all north Indians take a dive as far as finances are concerned. For example, the Punjabi work ethic usually remains. The punjabi work ethic is arguably the best in India as they have made money in all sorts of professions, and lots of it too (many times without high levels of education). They are usually more entrepreneurial, and harder working people. They are more of a risk taker and tend to be more ambitious and have more drive. On the other hand they tend to be less pragmatic and less focused (imo) than South Indians. They are also not submissive like a lot of other Indians are and would probably wish to open their own business in the long term as opposed to working for others for their professional lives. But one example would be the early settlers of California, who fought their way to own the land, and now, from what i hear, some of their ancestors on thousands of acres of prime property in Cali.

SherEPunjab, you seemed like you almost had a point about Indian work ethic...until you just slam the Malayalees randomly and then qualify it with a "No offense anyone". At this point, I don't think anyone really cares about your "experience". It would be like me saying, "SherEPunjab is an ingrate who lacks the semblance of intelligence and just babbles incessantly. No offense SherEPunjab. "

To the rest of you guys that read this thread...I highly suggest you discard SherEPunjab's rant and form your own experiences with individuals and not categorize an entire group.

Oh, there are no qualifies. Nor was the 'slam' as you put it meant done with intention. It is a statement of facts. Malayalees immigrants in the U.S. tend to be from the lower social strata of Indian society. The women are nurses, and the men find odd jobs like dry cleaning, mechanics, "sales associates" at Wal-Mart, and other lower level jobs. I'm basing this on about 10 Malaylee families I know. In 9 of them, the wife was a nurse. The men ranged from being unemployed (this was when the economy was good, 6-7 years ago), to one working at a toll booth collecting tolls. Maybe i haven't taken a survey, but a 90% rate is quiet high. Also, most of the Indian gangsters in Houston are Malayalees. Ask anyone from here that. For Kerala to boast having the highest literacy rate, the people are quite poor an lack the entrepreneurial spirit and work ethic found in other ethnic groups. Why do people get all f'n P.C. Certain disparities exist and if someone is to point them out doesn't mean its false. Should I also not make statements like, "Asians have a better work ethic than blacks?" is that a false statement? No, not every single Asian has a better work ethic than every single black, but for the most part -- yes. So don't all sensitive about it Joseph John, I'm just making pointing out what happens to be the case quite a lot. 😉
 
dont worry he wont be without his family for long ,theyve just gone back to india to pack their stuff and plot how theyre gonna return and bring half on new dehli back with them
 
Originally posted by: Larvae
dont worry he wont be without his family for long ,theyve just gone back to india to pack their stuff and plot how theyre gonna return and bring half on new dehli back with them

damn troll
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Originally posted by: MrsSkoorb
Originally posted by: Spac3d
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I've mentioned this fellow in the past - a guy I work with is Indian ....


There is no tone you idiot! He is stating facts. He is stating the differences among us, including different lifestyles! He is NOT saying one is right or one is wrong or one is better than the other.

Narrow minded people make me mad. Especially when they claim to be open minded.....


It's adorable when wives defend thier husbands.... 😀

My wife does that for me as well... she often gets a lot more offended about things that are said to me than I do....
 
"I am here. I don't really think I have anything more to say about this topic"

Spac3d, you did have a point in your response, albeit overly aggressive. Nonetheless, it was a little pleasure to see you have a taste of your own medicine when you spoke low of Indian women in an implicit manner. Now that someone's making a statement about Indians in a way that affects you as an Indian man, you're offended. I hope that helped you to understand my response to your statements in the interracial thread. Of course all is good and settled between us, but I just thought that I should give you a tease here. Don't be a little defencive! 😉
 
yeah well hes probably offended by the fact you guys dony use toilet paper

Originally posted by: Larvae
dont worry he wont be without his family for long ,theyve just gone back to india to pack their stuff and plot how theyre gonna return and bring half on new dehli back with them

May I suggest ....?
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The thing is with all those people living there that apartment is going to take one hell of a beating (and probably reek of Curry)

tis true, one needs a large house to contain the reek of curry to the kitchen🙂 stuff should be a controlled substance😛
Well it's better than having College kids living in a one bedroom Apt where the smell of BO and Beer permeate the who place

wooooo someones getting hostile.
 
This is an extremely interesting thread, and as an Indian male, I am glad to put in my two cents.

Work Ethic
As has been said, Indians generally have a strong work ethic. The basis is simply the lack of opportunity to be had in India, and the recognition that almost anything can be achieved in America with some hard work - this, however, is nothing unique to Indians, and you will see most immigrants offering a similar sentiment when asked about their own reasons for coming here.
What I think seperates Indians (but can be extended to include most "Easterners") from the rest of the immigrants in this country, is that Indians have come, not as refugees from oppressive governments (Africans, for example), or as the disenchanted underclass of society (late 19th and early 20th century Europeans, for example), but as educated and opprtunistic people, well aware of what they have to do and what they can achieve here in America - the result has traditionally been a quick rise to the top, or at least a respectable rung on the socio-economic ladders. However, in more recent times, along with the traditional educated "elite" of India, there has been an influx of lower class indians - these, I believe, are responsible in large part for the "desi" gangs, the desi homeboys, and the other nefarious characters not normally associated with the Indian stereotype - without as good a breeding, their kids fall more quickly in with "the wrong crowd". Admittedly, there are some american-born indian children who have fallen in as well, but I'm willing to bet, that 9 times out of 10, they shed that attitude and go on to sucessful endeavors after the teen years.
Much of the Indian riff-raff you see, aren't even directly from India, but from the West Indies - these people have almost fully lost their culture, and as such don't live up to the Indian standards of educational and financial ambition.

Stinginess
Indians can be very stingy. Many Indian immigrants have lived their whole lives in economic struggle, even the educated ones, and the success in America is viewed, rather than the chance to now live well, as merely providing the financial "security" necessary to maintaining their frugal lifestyle. You will often see Indians haggling prices when inappropriate to do so, or refusing to pay for items that are clearly affordable. Why? The modus operandi is utilitarianism - if you don't NEED it, then there is no point buying it. Getting a Chemlawn to mow your lawn? NO WAY! Eating out at a nice place? WHAT's THE POINT?!.

Me?
I'm an American-born Indian. I had the fortune of having to VERY progressive parents, both of whom came to America while they were quite young themselves (my grandparents worked for the governments, and were posted here.) I've had the fortune of retaining the best parts of my culture, and as such, being able to adopt and assimilate with the best parts of American culture. As an example, I don't buy into the media, into MTV, or into the Abercrombie-dictated life as much as my caucasian friends do, well, perhaps, because as an Indian, I don't _fully_ relate to white America, but at the same time, I don't buy into the often severe gender inequity that is rampant within Indian culture, because I don't fully connect to India. It's been hard, and I've had a very difficult time coming to where I am, but such is the fate of being in a country where most people don't look like you, nor can fully relate to your bagkround and life experiences, ESPECIALLY when your race is essentially INVISIBLE to those around you. Black kids have heroes on TV like Michael Jackson, Jordan, countless singers. Hispanics have had Selena, Rico Suave, and countless others through the years. Can you name ANY indian recognized in the media? Apart from the recent Deepak Chopra, who is essentially playing the modern-day version of the Indian Swami caricature? In the early 90s? In the 80s?


Lecture mode off. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
This is an extremely interesting thread, and as an Indian male, I am glad to put in my two cents.

Work Ethic
As has been said, Indians generally have a strong work ethic. The basis is simply the lack of opportunity to be had in India, and the recognition that almost anything can be achieved in America with some hard work - this, however, is nothing unique to Indians, and you will see most immigrants offering a similar sentiment when asked about their own reasons for coming here.
What I think seperates Indians (but can be extended to include most "Easterners") from the rest of the immigrants in this country, is that Indians have come, not as refugees from oppressive governments (Africans, for example), or as the disenchanted underclass of society (late 19th and early 20th century Europeans, for example), but as educated and opprtunistic people, well aware of what they have to do and what they can achieve here in America - the result has traditionally been a quick rise to the top, or at least a respectable rung on the socio-economic ladders. However, in more recent times, along with the traditional educated "elite" of India, there has been an influx of lower class indians - these, I believe, are responsible in large part for the "desi" gangs, the desi homeboys, and the other nefarious characters not normally associated with the Indian stereotype - without as good a breeding, their kids fall more quickly in with "the wrong crowd". Admittedly, there are some american-born indian children who have fallen in as well, but I'm willing to bet, that 9 times out of 10, they shed that attitude and go on to sucessful endeavors after the teen years.
Much of the Indian riff-raff you see, aren't even directly from India, but from the West Indies - these people have almost fully lost their culture, and as such don't live up to the Indian standards of educational and financial ambition.

Stinginess
Indians can be very stingy. Many Indian immigrants have lived their whole lives in economic struggle, even the educated ones, and the success in America is viewed, rather than the chance to now live well, as merely providing the financial "security" necessary to maintaining their frugal lifestyle. You will often see Indians haggling prices when inappropriate to do so, or refusing to pay for items that are clearly affordable. Why? The modus operandi is utilitarianism - if you don't NEED it, then there is no point buying it. Getting a Chemlawn to mow your lawn? NO WAY! Eating out at a nice place? WHAT's THE POINT?!.

Me?
I'm an American-born Indian. I had the fortune of having to VERY progressive parents, both of whom came to America while they were quite young themselves (my grandparents worked for the governments, and were posted here.) I've had the fortune of retaining the best parts of my culture, and as such, being able to adopt and assimilate with the best parts of American culture. As an example, I don't buy into the media, into MTV, or into the Abercrombie-dictated life as much as my caucasian friends do, well, perhaps, because as an Indian, I don't _fully_ relate to white America, but at the same time, I don't buy into the often severe gender inequity that is rampant within Indian culture, because I don't fully connect to India. It's been hard, and I've had a very difficult time coming to where I am, but such is the fate of being in a country where most people don't look like you, nor can fully relate to your bagkround and life experiences, ESPECIALLY when your race is essentially INVISIBLE to those around you. Black kids have heroes on TV like Michael Jackson, Jordan, countless singers. Hispanics have had Selena, Rico Suave, and countless others through the years. Can you name ANY indian recognized in the media? Apart from the recent Deepak Chopra, who is essentially playing the modern-day version of the Indian Swami caricature? In the early 90s? In the 80s?


Lecture mode off. 🙂

Incredible Post. That is everything I have wanted to say, but didn't have the patience to write it all out. Great job.

Spac3d
 
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