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[CZroe]

Clear your cache.

I like my cache. CTRL+F5 did the trick.

 

[John Connor]

HAHAHA, cache.... I have cache completly turned off in Pale Moon, Firefox and Cyberfox. on all computers. And cookies go bye bye after leaving the page and on browser exit.

 

[CZroe]

HAHAHA, cache.... I have cache completly turned off in Pale Moon, Firefox and Cyberfox. on all computers. And cookies go bye bye after leaving the page and on browser exit.

Sounds like a needless pain.

 

[John Connor]

It's just settings in about:config and an addon.

And mine is, was and always will be bigger than yours. LOL

 

[CZroe]

It's just settings in about:config and an addon.

And mine is, was and always will be bigger than yours. LOL

I'm saying that caching and cookies exist for a reason... a convenient reason. Heck, I want my exact tabs restored when I reopen my browser, which is a convenience you will seemingly never know with your proclivities. Sucks to be you.

 

[John Connor]

No, on the contrary it doesn't suck to be me. I don't need tabs restored. The cookies are stored, they just go bye bye once I leave the site and/or I close the browser. Cache is not really needed other than for speed. There is a little known thing out there called the cookieless cookie and it can't be rid of, but having no cache helps. I even spoof etags to help mitigate it.

I can browse the Internet just like you. No issues. I just practice a more sterile environment. Between that, NoScript and the use of Sandboxie I'm pretty damn good to go. It's a brave new world out there.

This movie was ahead of its time. http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/ccManager/clips/enemyStateCage.mp4/view

 

[Fenixgoon]

No, on the contrary it doesn't suck to be me. I don't need tabs restored. The cookies are stored, they just go bye bye once I leave the site and/or I close the browser. Cache is not really needed other than for speed. There is a little known thing out there called the cookieless cookie and it can't be rid of, but having no cache helps. I even spoof etags to help mitigate it.

I can browse the Internet just like you. No issues. I just practice a more sterile environment. Between that, NoScript and the use of Sandboxie I'm pretty damn good to go. It's a brave new world out there.

This movie was ahead of its time. http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/ccManager/clips/enemyStateCage.mp4/view

it's scary how correct enemy of the state was.

 

[CZroe]

No, on the contrary it doesn't suck to be me. I don't need tabs restored. The cookies are stored, they just go bye bye once I leave the site and/or I close the browser. Cache is not really needed other than for speed. There is a little known thing out there called the cookieless cookie and it can't be rid of, but having no cache helps. I even spoof etags to help mitigate it.

I can browse the Internet just like you. No issues. I just practice a more sterile environment. Between that, NoScript and the use of Sandboxie I'm pretty damn good to go. It's a brave new world out there.

This movie was ahead of its time. http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/ccManager/clips/enemyStateCage.mp4/view

So things aren't really needed except for what they are intended for.

You don't "need" to restore sessions because you just deal with the inconvenience of having to finish what you are doing or risk losing it. You don't "need" to store a cookie for YouTube because you don't want the convenience of having the subscribe button one click away or the History function I used in my last response to you. You just like everything you do to require extra steps on a PC that should still be logged in to your forums and Facebook and GMail account. Your browser is not being as effective a tool as it can be because you have gimped it.

In other words, it's exactly as I said: you are forgoing the convenience of these things and making more trouble for yourself. You don't notice just how much more tedious your online experience is because you never embraced these things from the start. Those extra clicks to get logged in and load the UserCP add up. OTOH, the UserCP page is the very first page I see because my browser knows that it's the first page I click and suggests it as soon as I start typing the first couple letters of "forums.anandtech.com." Actually, I don't even have to do that because there will be a clickable link on the New Tab page thanks to my browsing history (I still find it more convenient to type since I usually invoked the new tab with CTRL+T).

I like that you said that the cookies are stored... until they aren't. The point is that they offer some security and convenience when they are truly stored. Cookies don't actually store your credentials and it's often more secure than entering your full password to be potentially observed or intercepted every time you log into this forum from a personal device and it's certainly more convenient to find that you are already logged in when you return. I fail to see how temporary storage approximates this convenience.

Yes, "cookies" and ads can track you online, but that's not all that bad and that's not all they're good for. When I do see ads, I get more relevant ads (you aren't the only one using ad blockers). Seeing an ad for tools related to a search I made on Harbor Freight's site is preferred over an ad for breast enlargement surgery that I can't use.

Cache is needed for speed and reducing wasted data. Why are you acting like these aren't good reasons to use it? Have fun wasting time downloading the same stuff over and over again. It's like I said: disabling those things only causes you needless pain. You can secure them by securing your PC and using VPN while on public WiFi.

 

[John Connor]

it's scary how correct enemy of the state was.

Watch the video and notice the birth date of that Congressman on the computer? 9/11. Crazy shit!

 

[John Connor]

fail post, etc, etc, etc

1) Stealing cookies is a bad thing. I can do it at a open WIFI spot. Most people don't use a VPN.

2) My Internet speed is that where I don't need a cache. Really. Is this still the era of Dial-up? I have no problems with cache off. I used to use RAM for cache only, but since of the aforementioned cookieless cookie I talked about I disable it. Then I got to wonder how many foolishly store SSL season cookies and cache?


3) I use an addon called PWDhash for most passwords. It is NOT more secure to store passwords and depend on cookies. It's no wonder why the FBI can get so much shit form people. But I digress. I truecrypted my Comp. as well. LMAO! Password is well over 10 characters using upper/lower case letters, numbers and symbols. It is also committed to memory only. I have a rather unique method to come up with long complicated passwords that I can memorize. My clone's are encrypted too. LMAO!

Like I already said, I operate in a sterile environment as best as I can. My life motto is Trust No One.

 

[CZroe]

1) Stealing cookies is a bad thing. I can do it at a open WIFI spot. Most people don't use a VPN.[/URL]

Yep. Which is why I suggested it.

2) My Internet speed is that where I don't need a cache. Really. Is this still the era of Dial-up? I have no problems with cache off. I used to use RAM for cache only, but since of the aforementioned cookieless cookie I talked about I disable it. Then I got to wonder how many foolishly store SSL season cookies and cache?

Does your cellphone or notebook use your home Internet connection EXCLUSIVELY?

3) I use an addon called PWDhash for most passwords. It is NOT more secure to store passwords and depend on cookies. It's no wonder why the FBI can get so much shit form people. But I digress. I truecrypted my Comp. as well. LMAO! Password is well over 10 characters using upper/lower case letters, numbers and symbols. It is also committed to memory only. I have a rather unique method to come up with long complicated passwords that I can memorize. My clone's are encrypted too. LMAO!

Cookies are not plain text passwords. Sure, a badly made site could do that, but you'd have bigger concerns in that case. They're basically just a token that says that this system is still authenticated from the last time you used the password. It expires eventually too. Don't conflate the FBI and the CIA. The CIA could essentially pull off the WiFi cookie heist for anyone with the level of access they have to the Internet backbone and the other major branches, WiFi or not. It's only slightly comforting that they require a warrant for that considering their warrantless collection of phone records.

Like I already said, I operate in a sterile environment as best as I can. My life motto is Trust No One.

...and, yet, I'm sure they have almost everything they need to access your accounts despite all of this. Your daily inconvenience is all for naught! It's not like they prefer to get your cookies directly off your HDD and, like you said, that's protected anyway.

 

[Ichinisan]

1) Stealing cookies is a bad thing. I can do it at a open WIFI spot. Most people don't use a VPN.

2) My Internet speed is that where I don't need a cache. Really. Is this still the era of Dial-up? I have no problems with cache off. I used to use RAM for cache only, but since of the aforementioned cookieless cookie I talked about I disable it. Then I got to wonder how many foolishly store SSL season cookies and cache?


3) I use an addon called PWDhash for most passwords. It is NOT more secure to store passwords and depend on cookies. It's no wonder why the FBI can get so much shit form people. But I digress. I truecrypted my Comp. as well. LMAO! Password is well over 10 characters using upper/lower case letters, numbers and symbols. It is also committed to memory only. I have a rather unique method to come up with long complicated passwords that I can memorize. My clone's are encrypted too. LMAO!

Like I already said, I operate in a sterile environment as best as I can. My life motto is Trust No One.

If you use public WiFi without an encrypted VPN and log-in to Anandtech, malicious people and compromised systems on the same network can get both your password AND your cookie while they are being transmitted (AT Forums does not use SSL). The cookie contains a valid session ID they can use to stay signed-in as you without knowing your password. They'll still have that cookie even after you've deleted your copy. The session ID in that cookie will still be valid for a while if you didn't specifically sign-out from Anandtech Forums when you were done.