They banned Darvon and incandesent bulbs

[Onceler]

the darvon thing is really taking it's toll on my dad who depends on the stuff to help with the pain. They gave him ultram but he says that it doesn't work worth a damn.
The left want to replace everything that works with stuff that either does(but not as good of a job) or doesn't.
Why does the left have such a vendetta toward the U.S.A.? The guys that screwed the Native Americans over were Lincoln's bunch. The attrocities they commited are somehow twisted into a perverse form of patriotism to who knows what.

 

[dawp]

darvon was banned because it was causing heart issues.

the drug could potentially kill your dad.

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20101119/darvon-darvocet-banned

I know someone who was taking davocet which was also banned under the same ruling.

 

[JSt0rm]

I dont think you understand. His dad should have the freedom to take that risk.

also, lightbulbs are the most important issue. I think about them constantly.

 

[dawp]

I dont think you understand. His dad should have the freedom to take that risk.

also, lightbulbs are the most important issue. I think about them constantly.

Yup, and if it kills his dad, he can sue. That's the american way.

That was a pretty bizzare rant, with lincoln, natives americans and all.

 

[Vette73]

darvon was banned because it was causing heart issues.

the drug could potentially kill your dad.

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20101119/darvon-darvocet-banned

I know someone who was taking davocet which was also banned under the same ruling.

OMG!!! WHY DO RIGHT WINGER NUTS WANT TO DAMAGE PEOPLES HEARTS?!?!?!?

See OP anybody can make dumb cliams like you, fun eh.

 

[sandorski]

Chinese putting Lead in everything is just their way of returning Liberty to the USA?

 

[Onceler]

My dad should have the right to risk it sign a disclamer or whatever but it should not be banned.

 

[dawp]

and if he did and it caused his death, you'd be bitching about the fda not doing it's job.

 

[Hacp]

and if he did and it caused his death, you'd be bitching about the fda not doing it's job.

Only liberals complain. Regular people hate regulation and the FDA is a regulatory body. Get rid of it. NOW. forever.

 

[Onceler]

I wouldn't complain as he knew the risks
Only leftists complain when it is their agenda
Decent people should be able to to get any drug they desire as long as they don't hurt someone else

 

[matt0611]

My dad should have the right to risk it sign a disclamer or whatever but it should not be banned.

Yup, he definitely should, but sorry, he can't, your dad doesn't own his body, the government does I guess? The FDA controls what we can put in our bodies, nothing we can do about it until we change the law. I think its a terrible thing.

Sorry about your dad, sucks.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Only liberals complain.

Where's that irony tag when we need it most?

Regular people hate regulation and the FDA is a regulatory body. Get rid of it. NOW. forever.

Apparently they skipped that whole Upton Sinclair thing during your American history class - assuming, of course, you didn't just sleep through it.

 

[Vette73]

I wouldn't complain as he knew the risks
Only leftists complain when it is their agenda
Decent people should be able to to get any drug they desire as long as they don't hurt someone else

Then if you feel that way just go get some Meth for your dad. Damm liberals making it illegal so it must be awesome. That and I bet you can get it cheaper than Darvon. :thumbsup:

 

[CallMeJoe]

Then if you feel that way just go get some Meth for your dad. Damm liberals making it illegal so it must be awesome. That and I bet you can get it cheaper than Darvon. :thumbsup:

Meth does nothing for pain. His dad needs Heroin. Far better than Darvon.

 

[dawp]

Only liberals complain. Regular people hate regulation and the FDA is a regulatory body. Get rid of it. NOW. forever.

So you want a return to the days of yore, when anyone could sell anything and claim it cured everything and all it did was sicken everyone who took it.

By the way, You're complaining.

 

[Hacp]

So you want a return to the days of yore, when anyone could sell anything and claim it cured everything and all it did was sicken everyone who took it.

By the way, You're complaining.

By complain, I mean file lawsuits against the FDA because they aren't doing its job. Regular people just want the FDA to disappear. Liberals want the FDA to be there so they can sue it. Kill the FDA. Get rid of SS. Get rid of Medicare. Freedom for all!

 

[Jaskalas]

I dont think you understand. His dad should have the freedom to take that risk.

also, lightbulbs are the most important issue. I think about them constantly.

I've thought about the lightbulbs ever since a CFL broke in my hand. Yes, let's put mercury in all our freaking houses. Why did we replace mercury thermometers again? F'ing idiots.

Wonder how many of those can be broken before causing serious harm.

 

[Number1]

Darvon, which was first approved in the 1950s, is an opioid narcotic used to treat mild to moderate pain. The consumer watchdog group Public Citizen had petitioned the FDA to ban the drug, saying its benefits didn't justify a risk that added up to several hundred deaths a year.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/11/19/darvon-painkiller-fda.html#ixzz1AYAl9hEN

If the replacement drug your Dad is taking does not work, I am sure him and his doctor can find an alternative.
As for the rest of your rant, it is idiotic at best.
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[Hacp]

Darvon, which was first approved in the 1950s, is an opioid narcotic used to treat mild to moderate pain. The consumer watchdog group Public Citizen had petitioned the FDA to ban the drug, saying its benefits didn't justify a risk that added up to several hundred deaths a year.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/11/19/darvon-painkiller-fda.html#ixzz1AYAl9hEN

If the replacement drug your Dad is taking does not work, I am sure him and his doctor can find an alternative.
As for the rest of your rant, it is idiotic at best.
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Several hundred. Out of how many? We have over 300 million people in the US.

 

[dawp]

By complain, I mean file lawsuits against the FDA because they aren't doing its job. Regular people just want the FDA to disappear. Liberals want the FDA to be there so they can sue it. Kill the FDA. Get rid of SS. Get rid of Medicare. Freedom for all!

maybe some should file a complaint on you for stealing from you roommate.

 

[boomerang]

I've thought about the lightbulbs ever since a CFL broke in my hand. Yes, let's put mercury in all our freaking houses. Why did we replace mercury thermometers again? F'ing idiots.

Wonder how many of those can be broken before causing serious harm.

Here are the steps for cleanup should one be broken. Piece of cake.

Before Cleanup

• Have people and pets leave the room, and avoid the breakage area on the way out.
• Open a window or door to the outdoors and leave the room for 5-10 minutes.
• Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning (H&AC) system, if you have one.
• Collect materials you will need to clean up the broken bulb:
  • Stiff paper or cardboard
  • Sticky tape (e.g., duct tape)
  • Damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes (for hard surfaces)
  • Glass jar with a metal lid (such as a canning jar) or a sealable plastic bag(s)

Cleanup Steps for Hard Surfaces

• Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place debris and paper/cardboard in a glass jar with a metal lid. If a glass jar is not available, use a sealable plastic bag. (NOTE: Since a plastic bag will not prevent the mercury vapor from escaping, remove the plastic bag(s) from the home after cleanup.)
• Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder. Place the used tape in the glass jar or plastic bag.
• Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.
• Vacuuming of hard surfaces during cleanup is not recommended unless broken glass remains after all other cleanup steps have been taken. [NOTE: It is possible that vacuuming could spread mercury-containing powder or mercury vapor, although available information on this problem is limited.] If vacuuming is needed to ensure removal of all broken glass, keep the following tips in mind:
  • Keep a window or door to the outdoors open;
  • Vacuum the area where the bulb was broken using the vacuum hose, if available; and
  • Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister) and seal the bag/vacuum debris, and any materials used to clean the vacuum, in a plastic bag.
• Promptly place all bulb debris and cleanup materials, including vacuum cleaner bags, outdoors in a trash container or protected area until materials can be disposed of properly.
  • Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your area. Some states and communities require fluorescent bulbs (broken or unbroken) be taken to a local recycling center.
• Wash your hands with soap and water after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing bulb debris and cleanup materials.
• Continue to air out the room where the bulb was broken and leave the H&AC system shut off, as practical, for several hours.

Cleanup Steps for Carpeting or Rugs

• Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place debris and paper/cardboard in a glass jar with a metal lid. If a glass jar is not available, use a sealable plastic bag. (NOTE: Since a plastic bag will not prevent the mercury vapor from escaping, remove the plastic bag(s) from the home after cleanup.)
• Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder. Place the used tape in the glass jar or plastic bag.
• Vacuuming of carpeting or rugs during cleanup is not recommended unless broken glass remains after all other cleanup steps have been taken. [NOTE: It is possible that vacuuming could spread mercury-containing powder or mercury vapor, although available information on this problem is limited.] If vacuuming is needed to ensure removal of all broken glass, keep the following tips in mind:
  • Keep a window or door to the outdoors open;
  • Vacuum the area where the bulb was broken using the vacuum hose, if available, and
  • Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister) and seal the bag/vacuum debris, and any materials used to clean the vacuum, in a plastic bag.
• Promptly place all bulb debris and cleanup materials, including vacuum cleaner bags, outdoors in a trash container or protected area until materials can be disposed of properly.
  • Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your area. Some states and communities require fluorescent bulbs (broken or unbroken) be taken to a local recycling center.
• Wash your hands with soap and water after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing bulb debris and cleanup materials.
• Continue to air out the room where the bulb was broken and leave the H&AC system shut off, as practical, for several hours.

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Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rugs: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming

• The next several times you vacuum the rug or carpet, shut off the H&AC system if you have one, close the doors to other rooms, and open a window or door to the outside before vacuuming. Change the vacuum bag after each use in this area.
• After vacuuming is completed, keep the H&AC system shut off and the window or door to the outside open, as practical, for several hours.

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Actions You Can Take to Prevent Broken Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs



Fluorescent bulbs are made of glass and can break if dropped or roughly handled. To avoid breaking a bulb, follow these general practices:

• Always switch off and allow a working CFL bulb to cool before handling.
• Always handle CFL bulbs carefully to avoid breakage.
  • If possible, screw/unscrew the CFL by holding the plastic or ceramic base, not the glass tubing.
  • Gently screw in the CFL until snug. Do not over-tighten.
  • Never forcefully twist the glass tubing.
• Consider not using CFLs in lamps that can be easily knocked over, in unprotected light fixtures, or in lamps that are incompatible with the spiral or folded shape of many CFLs.
• Do not use CFL bulbs in locations where they can easily be broken, such as play spaces.
• Use CFL bulbs that have a glass or plastic cover over the spiral or folded glass tube, if available. These types of bulbs look more like incandescent bulbs and may be more durable if dropped.
• Consider using a drop cloth (e.g., plastic sheet or beach towel) when changing a fluorescent light bulb in case a breakage should occur. The drop cloth will help prevent mercury contamination of nearby surfaces and can be bundled with the bulb debris for disposal.

http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup-detailed.html

 

[bob4432]

the darvon thing is really taking it's toll on my dad who depends on the stuff to help with the pain. They gave him ultram but he says that it doesn't work worth a damn.
The left want to replace everything that works with stuff that either does(but not as good of a job) or doesn't.
Why does the left have such a vendetta toward the U.S.A.? The guys that screwed the Native Americans over were Lincoln's bunch. The attrocities they commited are somehow twisted into a perverse form of patriotism to who knows what.

tell your dad to talk to his doc about another med than ultram then, pretty simple. there are plenty of pain meds out there that will take care of his pain. hopefully his doc took him off it the correct way so he isn't haven withdrawals.

 

[kage69]

I don't understand the anger over the bulbs myself. Incandescent lights are absurdly inefficient, only about 10% of the energy they produce is in the form of light. Isn't the ban just on 100w bulbs too? Getting rid of antiquated technology like the incandescent filament is a good thing IMO, there has to be a point where we cut our use of wasteful technologies that have long since jumped the shark.

To listen to cfl haters you'd think there is sarin gas inside these things! Funny to hear car and gun loving Americans get riled at having to follow some safety steps in disposing of a broken bulb.

 

[dullard]

I don't understand the anger over the bulbs myself. Incandescent lights are absurdly inefficient, only about 10% of the energy they produce is in the form of light. Isn't the ban just on 100w bulbs too? Getting rid of antiquated technology like the incandescent filament is a good thing IMO, there has to be a point where we cut our use of wasteful technologies that have long since jumped the shark.

To listen to cfl haters you'd think there is sarin gas inside these things! Funny to hear car and gun loving Americans get riled at having to follow some safety steps in disposing of a broken bulb.

It is just over 100W now. But by 2014, it'll be any inefficient bulb over 40W.
Note that is any ineffiecient bulb, not incandescent bulb that is being baned. People often confuse the two words.

Of course, incandescent bulbs often are the inefficient bulbs. They will not be sold after 2014 UNLESS they are for special purposes, different voltages, rated for vibrations, or a million other exceptions. Result: incandescent bulbs will be sold for many, many years. You just might have to pay 2 cents more for an incandescent bulb rated for vibrations (like one made for a ceiling fan). Heck, if they take the more efficient standard incandescent bulbs, they only need to increase the efficiency by a few percent to meet the new laws without meeting any of the exceptions.

Speaking of shark and broken bulbs, there is more mercury in shark meat than in many CFLs. Same goes with almost all fish. So we should ban fish if we are so worried about the tiny (and thus harmless) amount of mercury in a CFL.

 

[dullard]

Why does the left have such a vendetta toward the U.S.A.?

It was President George W Bush that signed the lightbulb law.

That damned leftist Bush with his vendetta toward the U.S.A!