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These should be illegal in the USA - Child Leashes

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The idea that these are for animals and not children is a social PERCEPTION, and nothing more.

IMHO, I have a hell of a lot more respect for a parent that recognizes their limitations and uses this, than the majority of parents who have their kids running wild and fscking everything up.

Finally, why make them illegal? Why the fsck should the government have any say is something like this? Right now, most people just tightly strap their kids in strollers to restrain them. Talk about cruel.
 
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Hammer
kids wander off. i don't see what the big deal is. better having a leash on a kid than the kid being kidnapped or hit by a car.

That mentality is the problem. Better PAYING ATTENTION to your kid than putting them on a leash. You morons wonder why things like colombine happen. Geesh

yeah, leashes caused columbine, you fscktard. you're just pissed cause you were on a leash and it stopped you from peeking in mens bathrooms.
 
Social Perception In deed. Kids are wild animals that cannot be domesticated. They are a threat to society as society is a threat to them . They are a liability. They should be stricken of their right of roaming and free will.

If this is true, then we're no different than animals in the wild. Yet I see no bear leashing her cubs.
 
Originally posted by: Regs
Social Perception In deed. Kids are wild animals that cannot be domesticated. They are a threat to society and a threat to property. They are a liability . They should be stricken of their right of roaming and free will. If this is true, then we're no different than animals in the wild. Yet I see no bear leashing her cubs.
Until they learn the difference between what sociaty considers right and wrong, they most certainly are a liability. IMO, the leash can be used as a training tool. If the toddler wonders off and gets into trouble, he gets placed on the leash until he learns better.

The cubs respect their mother. If they don't they get swatted or threatened by gnashing of teeth. They don't need leashes because they are taught to respect their mother another way. How are you going to teach your child not to run away and get into trouble? Have you tried reasoning with a toddler?
 
My mother used these on my little brother because he was always wandering. There was this one time in O'Hare where we were waiting for a flight, and somehow he managed to wander away. We found him sitting in a window sill looking at a pretzel cart, but still, losing someone in O'Hare is scary. So, for the return trip, he had a wrist leash, so that he couldn't wander off when he was unwatched for a second.
 
Originally posted by: Regs
You have a very valid concern, Game. But you can only take the "what if" comments so far.

What if I didn't wear my seat belt that day I plowed into a suv at 40 mph... or what if I didn't call out sick that day on a 9/11 flight.

What if God himself didn't create life.

See the point?

He didn't, so what's your point?

- M4H
 
My wife and I have spend a lot of time teaching our kids how to behave in public (which is basically they way we expect them to behave at home). 90% of the time they're quiet, respectful and stay within reach (3yr & 19month old daughters). But they're kids, who healthily push the envelope and learn things the way kids do. Sometimes the environment and circumstance doesn't allow for letting the kids learn at their pace and keep your eye/hand on them every second. Sometimes it's our responsibility to know it's not a good idea to take the kids out in difficult places when they haven't had naps, food or have not been behaving. And sometimes you just can't keep your kids settled and respectful and you have to get things done anyway.

Something that has been difficult but worth the effort is following through on consequences. Make sure the consequences you warn your kids with are ones you're willing to follow through on. One day during a trip to the zoo, my kids wouldn't stop throwing tantrums. I warned them that if they didn't settle down immediately that we'd turn around and go home. Well, the kids even at their age didn't for a second believe that Dad would actually turn around and go home - they could already see the signs directing us the last mile to the zoo. I pulled the car over and when ten seconds passed without a change in attitude I turned around and we went home. My oldest screamed to Mom that we were going the wrong way and five minutes later she finally settled down and even apologized, asking if we could go back now that she was good. Unfortunately for her, Dad wanted to make sure the lesson was learned and clearly made. We went home. My wife was shocked at first that I actually canceled the trip to the zoo which we'd planned and excitedly talked with the kids about for a couple weeks. Now my kids listen when I give them choices. I don't threaten so much as enable their decisions. But they know that I mean what I say. For the most part, those kinds of lessons really only need to be learned once.

We haven't had to yet but we wouldn't hesitate to use a wrist leash or harness if the situation warranted its use. Far better to have your child safe and within reach than compromise their safety for all the stupid "sensitivity" and "they're not animals" bs touted above. When I first saw a mother with three kids on harnesses at the State Fair last year it struck me as odd and I admit my initial reaction was one of disproval. Thinking on it a bit longer, and seeing that the Mom and her kids were able to enjoy the State Fair among thousands of people and not fear losing each other... Pretty damned smart way to go. If that Mom abided by the dumbass drivel that some of you criers sport, that mom wouldn't have been able to spend the day with her kids at the fair and keep her or the kids's sanity doing it.

 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
i didn't use the lease thing. i just pay attention to what my kids are doing

i also avoid taking them shopping when possible
Same with us. And we had 3 toddlers with us for a number of years. They were a handful but they didn't require a leash to keep them with us.

 
Originally posted by: Sketcher
My wife and I have spend a lot of time teaching our kids how to behave in public. 90% of the time they're quiet, respectful and stay within reach (3yr & 19month old daughters). But they're kids, who healthily push the envelope and learn things the way kids do. Sometimes the environment and circumstance doesn't allow for letting the kids learn at their pace and keep your eye/hand on them every second. Sometimes it's our responsibility to know it's not a good idea to take the kids out in difficult places when they haven't had naps, food or have not been behaving. And sometimes you just can't keep your kids settled and respectful and you have to get things done anyway.

Something that has been difficult but worth the effort is following through on consequences. Make sure the consequences you warn your kids with are ones you're willing to follow through on. One day during a trip to the zoo, my kids wouldn't stop throwing tantrums. I warned them that if they didn't settle down immediately that we'd turn around and go home. Well, the kids even at their age didn't for a second believe that Dad would actually turn around and go home - they could already see the signs directing us the last mile to the zoo. I pulled the car over and when ten seconds passed without a change in attitude I turned around and we went home. My oldest screamed to Mom that we were going the wrong way and five minutes later she finally settled down and even apologized, asking if we could go back now that she was good. Unfortunately for her, Dad wanted to make sure the lesson was learned and clearly made. We went home. My wife was shocked at first that I actually canceled the trip to the zoo which we'd planned and excitedly talked with the kids about for a couple weeks. Now my kids listen when I give them choices. I don't threaten so much as enable their decisions. But they know that I mean what I say. For the most part, those kinds of lessons really only need to be learned once.

We haven't had to yet but we wouldn't hesitate to use a wrist leash or harness if the situation warranted its use. Far better to have your child safe and within reach than compromise their safety for all the stupid "sensitivity" and "they're not animals" bs touted above. When I first saw a mother with three kids on harnesses at the State Fair last year it struck me as odd and I admit my initial reaction was one of disproval. Thinking on it a bit longer, and seeing that the Mom and her kids were able to enjoy the State Fair among thousands of people and not fear losing each other... Pretty damned smart way to go. If that Mom abided by the dumbass drivel that some of you criers sport, that mom wouldn't have been able to spend the day with her kids at the fair and keep her or the kids's sanity doing it.


good post.

i have a small child. now she rides in a cart or stroller. but when she gets older i can see useing a harness. There are times and places where it will be a big help.


 
Originally posted by: Regs
Social Perception In deed. Kids are wild animals that cannot be domesticated. They are a threat to society as society is a threat to them . They are a liability. They should be stricken of their right of roaming and free will.

If this is true, then we're no different than animals in the wild. Yet I see no bear leashing her cubs.

Bear cubs that don't mind their mothers and wander off are usually killed. A bear in the wild will, on average, see only 1 out of 5 of her cubs survive to adulthood.

Your being repulsed by leashes IS a purely social perception based reaction. You are obviously NOT repulsed by seeing kids strapped into rolling platforms like Hannibal Lector to keep them from running free (strollers). Yet a leash bothers you.

Stop and take a truly objective look at your reaction, would you?

Personally, I rather see a kid on a leash getting some exercise than a kid in a stroller getting none at all.

And both options are better than having uncontrolled kids getting themselves hurt or bothering everyone else.
 
i think it's down to what the parents feel is best.i have 3 kids 6mths .2yrs and 3yrs and they can be wild.if i'm walking by the mainroad i like to have a loose strap attached to their arm rather than run the risk of them dashing in front of a speeding car.at the mall i dunno ,if you lose sight of your kids while shopping it can be hard to locate them.a lot depends on the kids ,some are inclined to run while other kids are placid and will sit in the same spot all day
 
If this is true, then we're no different than animals in the wild. Yet I see no bear leashing her cubs.
So many flaws with this comparison....

The smartest adult bear is generally no smarter than the average three year old child. Vastly smaller cerebral cortex generally means animals are far more instinct bound than children and their instinct instructs them not to stray too far from mom. Those cubs with an inordinate propensity to stray from their mother don't live long enough to pass-on those genes.

When cubs die because they strayed too far from mom, you aren't likely to hear about it because bears have yet to organize emergency services and police forces, nor have they developed TV and newspapers.

Cubs die all the time, but you don't hear about it, so it doesn't happen.
 
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Hammer
kids wander off. i don't see what the big deal is. better having a leash on a kid than the kid being kidnapped or hit by a car.

That mentality is the problem. Better PAYING ATTENTION to your kid than putting them on a leash. You morons wonder why things like colombine happen. Geesh

 
Originally posted by: txxxx
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Hammer
kids wander off. i don't see what the big deal is. better having a leash on a kid than the kid being kidnapped or hit by a car.

That mentality is the problem. Better PAYING ATTENTION to your kid than putting them on a leash. You morons wonder why things like colombine happen. Geesh
Because kids who would normally have died due to stupidity centuries ago were allowed to grow up and commit murder?

 
Originally posted by: txxxx
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Hammer
kids wander off. i don't see what the big deal is. better having a leash on a kid than the kid being kidnapped or hit by a car.

That mentality is the problem. Better PAYING ATTENTION to your kid than putting them on a leash. You morons wonder why things like colombine happen. Geesh

ok hold on.

because we want to keep our kids safe it makes them get guns and kill a bunch of schoolkids?

i think im missing the connection here.
 
Funny, I think they should be mandatory. The kids are too young to have their self-esteem or dignity harmed by being leashed. A leashed kid is safer, unkidnappable, unlosable and most importantly, less likely to bother me.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Funny, I think they should be mandatory. The kids are too young to have their self-esteem or dignity harmed by being leashed. A leashed kid is safer, unkidnappable, unlosable and most importantly, less likely to bother me.

but according to some people it turns them into serial killers!

Dont ask me im still trying to figure it out.
 
I just want my kids embedded with proximity sensors. Then I can have one of those cool hand-held tracking devices like on Aliens to track my kids.

Actually, I don't know why we don't have smarter solutions other than some nylon harness with a leash.
 
Actually, I don't know why we don't have smarter solutions other than some nylon harness with a leash.
Like some kind of collar that gives kids a shock if they stray from the mothership beyond a certain distance.
 
Originally posted by: Rogue
I just want my kids embedded with proximity sensors. Then I can have one of those cool hand-held tracking devices like on Aliens to track my kids.

Actually, I don't know why we don't have smarter solutions other than some nylon harness with a leash.

Because most people are too freaking stupid to program their VCRs, let alone figure out an electronic child monitor. The leash is effective and idiot-proof.
 
Originally posted by: Rogue
I just want my kids embedded with proximity sensors. Then I can have one of those cool hand-held tracking devices like on Aliens to track my kids.

Actually, I don't know why we don't have smarter solutions other than some nylon harness with a leash.


Smarter solution? Why is low tech bad?

Why are "overly cautious" moms and dads being slammed on this post because they are doing what they think they need to, to keep their children safe? If the children are being yanked around or dragged, that is wrong and I have seen this about as often as I have seen a child not on a "leash" get smacked around.

There is a list of place where children get abducted most. #1 is in their yard/neighborhood. Around #5 are Parks, Libraries and Malls. Yeah, the odds are against MY kid getting abducted but you know what... I will do everything in my power to make sure it doesn't happen no matter what people around me think. I would much rather someone feel sorry for my normally adjusted child being "leashed" than be sick wondering if the person that took him is molesting him, if he still lives, if he is wondering why I let this happen.

And for those that wonder why I didn't put my 2 kids in a stroller... Have you tried to use a stroller in a mall filled with people that are only out for themselves and have no respect/concern for others? Hell, I have stopped trying to avoid people with my shopping carts and just crack their ankles when they cut in front of me (d@mn that feels good).... Don't want to do that with kids in a stroller though.
 
I saw this at the hospital once. Poor kid was gettin yanked all over the place when she tried to go do something. Mother looked like trailor trash.
 
I would put my son on a leash in a heartbeat if I felt I needed to. But he's a good kid, and usually walks with me holding my hand, because he thinks I'm the best dad in the world.

He's 4.

He's the best kid in the world, and I love him!
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: txxxx
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Hammer
kids wander off. i don't see what the big deal is. better having a leash on a kid than the kid being kidnapped or hit by a car.

That mentality is the problem. Better PAYING ATTENTION to your kid than putting them on a leash. You morons wonder why things like colombine happen. Geesh

ok hold on.

because we want to keep our kids safe it makes them get guns and kill a bunch of schoolkids?

i think im missing the connection here.

He is not making a connection between colombine & Child leashes, but rather saying that the people who don't pay attention to their children; the same people who need leashs for their kids, let their children grow up to be murders.
I'm not sure whether I agree with that logic, but then again I'm 15.
 
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