Thermalright temp with My Q6600 B3

[superclocked]

hello

I have a Q6600 B3 at 3.2Ghz (400X8) and I just got the th120ex yesterday but my load temp are still high:


Using everest

vcore from cpuz = 1.304v at load
vcore from speedfan = 1.3v

prime95 small fft temps

cpu = 60 c
Core = 70, 70, 68, 68

room temp 28c

Should I step down to 3.0Ghz. advice needed. Thanks.

 

[JAG87]

get better software to read your voltages. speedfan or everest.

the only advice I can give you is to try and lower your room temp. 28c seems excessive for a room. do you have AC?

 

[superclocked]

What are good core temps?

These temps are 10c less than what I had before with AC pro 7.

 

[JAG87]

for a B3 try to keep the core temps below 70c

 

[superclocked]

Thanks Jag87,

I just turned on the AC the temps are starting to shake down. It is a pretty hot day today high was 98F about 30c outdoors.

So any number under 70c for the cores is good temp?

Cpu = 58c

Cores = 68, 68, 66,66 and going down

room temp 25C


Does anybody how long does it take to break-in themeral paste shipped with thermalright ultra 120ex?

 

[JAG87]

yes those are reasonable temps for your overclock and your heatsink. try to keep ambient temps around 24-25c.

dont stress your mind over thermal paste and break in time. at most you will gain 1 to 2c, which is not much at all. but if it really concerns you, i would say it needs a good month or so of everyday usage.


btw if you were to lap your heatsink and your IHS you would probably gain another 5 to 6C. but remember that lapping voids your warranty.

 

[superclocked]

I had the worst time installing Th ultra 120 in my mid tower it barely fits. I was worried about ruining my evga 680i mobo. here read this:http://www.thermalright.com/a_...t_faq_ultra-120.htm#q3

But If people verify that they gain lower temps by lapping than I think I'll do it. I just have to find 2k grit paper.

I got worried there. Because yesterday all cores were under 70c and cpu was under 57c. I guess I have to watch my room temp too. ThanksJAG87. temps are much better now:

still running small fft:

CPU = 56c
core = 67, 67, 65, 65

room temp around 25c now.

vcore is about 1.304v under load.

 

[JAG87]

I think you are good to go.

with a B3, 3.2 ghz is pretty much the ceiling on air cooling. you might be able to do 3.3 or 3.4 ghz with a lap job but it dont think its worth it

ciao

 

[superclocked]

I just want 3.2 Ghz. That is it for me. I think one can became addict to overclocking. I have been obsessed with overclocking for 1 month now. but any how I really think room temp was my problem. I just finish round 1 of small fft and cpu and core temp are much lower.

Room Temp 23C

Small fft round 2 from 8k to 64K

CPU = 53c
Cores = 63, 63, 61, 61

by the time my room temp drops to 20c

I think Cpu will be around 50c and cores around 60c.

My cpu fsb voltage is at 1.2 I don't know if I should increase it to 1.3v to increase prime95 stability?

Thanks for all your help.

 

[JAG87]

if you are running 400 fsb with a quad, + 0.2v on the NB (SPP in nvidian terms), and +0.2v on the FSB. leave SB and FSB termination voltage untouched. what motherboard are you using?

 

[superclocked]

ok These are my voltages

I am using evga 680I A1 same as yours.

From Bios

cpu = 1.386 I only get 1.304 at load time
cpu FSB = 1.2V I changed It from 1.4V
nforce spp = 1.25v I changed it from 1.4V

memory is on = auto 1.85v
MCP = auto 1.5v
spp <-> Mcp = auto I don't remember off my head.

memory timing 5, 5, 5, 15 I think I'll tweak them next. patriot advertise this memory at 2 , 3, 2, 5 at 2v

if you have any suggestion on once I left on auto let me know. Thanks.

 

[JAG87]

ok first of all, you should do the vdroop mod on your motherboard. its extremely easy. read this http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=154897
second of all, if you set the fsb to 1600, the motherboard automatically overvolts the NB and the FSB to 1.4v, and there really should be no need to manually set these voltages.


once you have performed the mod your voltages should be:

cpu = 1.3v
after the vdroop mod, you will actually get 1.3v at load in windows. you might not get this right away so keep penciling the resistor until your load voltage = your voltage set in bios. obviously you need to shut down everytime, dont you dare do that while the machine is on! if you leave this value to auto, the motherboard will automatically overvolt to 1.45v because you are running at 400 fsb, and it assumes that you are also overclocking the cpu. the bios is actually quite smart

cpu fsb = auto
this value should be 1.4v when @ 1600FSB

memory = 1.85
im not sure what kind of memory you have, but you should be able to leave this on auto as well

SPP = auto
again this will be 1.4v when @ 1600FSB

MCP = auto
should be running at stock which is 1.5v

SPP to MCP = auto
again should be running at stock which is 1.2v



and thats all. set the voltages like that, and you should have no problems at all. its your choice if you want to do the mod or not, but if you choose not to, obviously you have to run 1.385v in the bios to obtain 1.30v under load. this results in a higher windows idling voltage. if you perform the vdroop mod and set 1.30v in the bios, you should have roughly 1.28v when you idle in windows, and 1.30v under prime95 maximum load. so as you can see it actually becomes a reverse droop which if you think about it is very energy and heat efficient. I leave the choice up to you.

if you have anymore questions just ask.

 

[superclocked]

Mind my ignorance. But how do i pencil mod?

Am i suppose to draw a line on or between the red and blue x's? And how long does the pencil last? How often you have to pencil mod?

I was also thinking about setting CE1 option back on once my overlock is stable. Doesn't it automatically drop the speed and voltage at idle?

Is that why my vcore jump between 1.304 and 1.296 but in bios it set at 1.386 V

 

[JAG87]

Ok here are the answers to your questions.

You fill in the "gap" of the resistor between the 2 metal ends, including the metal ends. This creates another path for the electrons to flow. Obviously the graphite needs to touch the metal ends, otherwise there is no conductivity.

C1E will only work if you leave everything at stock. Once you set your own voltages, C1E is useless. It will only slow down your cpu to 400x6 = 2400, without lowering your user-set voltage. Thats is usually why it ends up permanently disabled in an overclocker's machine.

Your true vcore is actually the average of those two values, which is exactly 1.3v. The reason I am trying to get you to do the mod, is because while idling in windows I am guessing you are probably giving your cpu around 1.34v. Once you put load, it droops to 1.30v. With the mod, you will be giving it 1.28v idle, and 1.30v under load.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

C1E @ stock voltage is an issue with only some boards. The Asus P5B Deluxe will work until Vcore is raised above 1.36V. The Abit IP35-E works well with C1E and EIST enabled at any Vcore setting. Just make sure the CPU multi is at DEFAULT.

 

[superclocked]

JAG87, Thanks man you have been extremely helpful.

Ok I did the MOD. I do get less vdroop and reduced the vcore to 1.331 but it not perfect i get about 1.296. Should keep mod it again?

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
C1E @ stock voltage is an issue with only some boards. The Asus P5B Deluxe will work until Vcore is raised above 1.36V. The Abit IP35-E works well with C1E and EIST enabled at any Vcore setting. Just make sure the CPU multi is at DEFAULT.

I've never owned neither one of those boards, so I was speaking for the evga board only. But thanks SerpentRoyal, thats really good to know! Very impressive that the Abit will lower the voltage at any user-set vcore setting. that makes your overclock much less stressful on the cpu, because you are not running high voltage at all times but only under load.

Originally posted by: superclocked
JAG87, Thanks man you have been extremely helpful.

Ok I did the MOD. I do get less vdroop and reduced the vcore to 1.331 but it not perfect i get about 1.296. Should keep mod it again?

yes, keep tracing the resistor until your load voltage is = to the voltage you set in the bios. dont worry, if you trace too much, your vcore will be maybe +0.1 or +0.2 higher than the bios setting, and you can just stick your (well dry) finger on the resistor and smudge some graphite off.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I tested many boards until I come across the IP35-E. Currently running the E4300 @ 1.465Vcore in BIOS. Idle is 1.3V. Orthos Large mode load is 1.42V. S&M heat mode is 1.41V.

If I disable C1E and EIST, then Vcore is around 1.46V with no load.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
I tested many boards until I come across the IP35-E. Currently running the E4300 @ 1.465Vcore in BIOS. Idle is 1.3V. Orthos Large mode load is 1.42V. S&M heat mode is 1.41V.

If I disable C1E and EIST, then Vcore is around 1.46V with no load.

wow thats fantastic! the fact that C1E works with 1.465 set in the bios is great! My next motherboard (hopefully an nforce C73 based board with DDR3) will either be an Asus or an Abit. I always swear by Asus, but last fall I went with the evga reference.

One reason was that it was released together with the 8800s, and the other reason was that I liked the aesthetics of this board better than the asus 680i boards. Truth is, I should have been struck by lightning when making that decision. Maybe it would have put some salt in my thick skull. I'll never make that mistake again.

Lately Abit has been impressing me a lot, its right below Asus on my list. If Abit dishes out a better looking board than Asus next round, I will buy one.

 

[superclocked]

I am going to try using 4B pencil. I am an 3d artist so I have all sort pencils. Yet another use for a pencil.

Does the pencil mod ware-off over time?

Thanks again.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: superclocked
I am going to try using 4B pencil. I am an 3d artist so I have all sort pencils. Yet another use for a pencil.

Does the pencil mod ware-off over time?

Thanks again.

dont use 4B, the graphite might be too strong. use either HB (with some good hand pressure) or use 2B.

No the mod will last forever, unless you have a habit of wiping your motherboard with a cloth when you clean it... :Q

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
I tested many boards until I come across the IP35-E. Currently running the E4300 @ 1.465Vcore in BIOS. Idle is 1.3V. Orthos Large mode load is 1.42V. S&M heat mode is 1.41V.

If I disable C1E and EIST, then Vcore is around 1.46V with no load.

wow thats fantastic! the fact that C1E works with 1.465 set in the bios is great! My next motherboard (hopefully an nforce C73 based board with DDR3) will either be an Asus or an Abit. I always swear by Asus, but last fall I went with the evga reference.

One reason was that it was released together with the 8800s, and the other reason was that I liked the aesthetics of this board better than the asus 680i boards. Truth is, I should have been struck by lightning when making that decision. Maybe it would have put some salt in my thick skull. I'll never make that mistake again.

Lately Abit has been impressing me a lot, its right below Asus on my list. If Abit dishes out a better looking board than Asus next round, I will buy one.

Abit IP35-E is a very decent looking board. All blue with Rubycon caps. Abit also makes a P965 board, but that one is not very good (buggy BIOS and C1E/EIST didn't work properly). I'm not loyal to any brand.

 

[superclocked]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: superclocked
I am going to try using 4B pencil. I am an 3d artist so I have all sort pencils. Yet another use for a pencil.

Does the pencil mod ware-off over time?

Thanks again.

dont use 4B, the graphite might be too strong. use either HB (with some good hand pressure) or use 2B.

No the mod will last forever, unless you have a habit of wiping your motherboard with a cloth when you clean it... :Q

Thanks for the quick reply I was about to take 4b pencil to the mobo. I'll use 2b pencil. Thanks again.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
I tested many boards until I come across the IP35-E. Currently running the E4300 @ 1.465Vcore in BIOS. Idle is 1.3V. Orthos Large mode load is 1.42V. S&M heat mode is 1.41V.

If I disable C1E and EIST, then Vcore is around 1.46V with no load.

wow thats fantastic! the fact that C1E works with 1.465 set in the bios is great! My next motherboard (hopefully an nforce C73 based board with DDR3) will either be an Asus or an Abit. I always swear by Asus, but last fall I went with the evga reference.

One reason was that it was released together with the 8800s, and the other reason was that I liked the aesthetics of this board better than the asus 680i boards. Truth is, I should have been struck by lightning when making that decision. Maybe it would have put some salt in my thick skull. I'll never make that mistake again.

Lately Abit has been impressing me a lot, its right below Asus on my list. If Abit dishes out a better looking board than Asus next round, I will buy one.

Abit IP35-E is a very decent looking board. All blue with Rubycon caps. Abit also makes a P965 board, but that one is not very good (buggy BIOS and C1E/EIST didn't work properly). I'm not loyal to any brand.

neither am I. as you can see I purchase the evga board.

still, you cant help but notice that with my 4 previous asus motherboards I had no problems at all, while with this board I've been flashing bioses like its going out of style.

Originally posted by: superclocked

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: superclocked
I am going to try using 4B pencil. I am an 3d artist so I have all sort pencils. Yet another use for a pencil.

Does the pencil mod ware-off over time?

Thanks again.

dont use 4B, the graphite might be too strong. use either HB (with some good hand pressure) or use 2B.

No the mod will last forever, unless you have a habit of wiping your motherboard with a cloth when you clean it... :Q

Thanks for the quick reply I was about to take 4b pencil to the mobo. I'll use 2b pencil. Thanks again.

no problem. I hope you enjoy your system. how is that 8GB treating you? any problems with 4 DIMMs installed? in my experience the 680i NB can act kind of screwy with 4 modules installed.

 

[superclocked]

In my experience 680I had no problem handling 8GB but Window vista 64 on other hand would do first boot unless i remove 6Gb. I had to call Microsoft to figure this one out. They helped me find and install a patch from Microsoft updates to make it work right.